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[Perth Red]

They play at homebush because it pays. Homebush isn't Western Sydney. If u don't believe a local then wiki gws

According to this Olympic park is in the gws boundary, regardless Its where 3 of the 5 western Sydney teams play lol
https://profile.id.com.au/cws/about

 

[Pippen94]

According to this Olympic park is in the gws boundary, regardless Its where 3 of the 5 western Sydney teams play lol
https://profile.id.com.au/cws/about

Ok Perth guy, thanks for explaining Sydney to everyone.
Apparently lots of Rabbitoh supporters in south west. Just so you know playing at homebush doesn't make games easier to get to.

 

[Perth Red]

seems you need someone to do

Ok Perth guy, thanks for explaining Sydney to everyone.
Apparently lots of Rabbitoh supporters in south west. Just so you know playing at homebush doesn't make games easier to get to.

seems You need someone To do it for you lol

 

[mongoose]

Surely Rabbitohs will play at least some games at the new SFS when its completed?

 

[MugaB]

Surely Rabbitohs will play at least some games at the new SFS when its completed?

They most probably wont as long as homebush is paying them to play, plus they really hate the roosters, so sharing anything with them is built for disaster.
Personally moving Roosters to Adelaide solves all problems, Souths then will play at SFS, and none of our junior catchments or large fan bases are affected, plus Adelaide are 1.5 million in population that could sustain an NRL brand if it had proper backing and history like the rooster do, hell they are even the same colors of the rams who are somewhat still there

 

[flippikat]

They most probably wont as long as homebush is paying them to play, plus they really hate the roosters, so sharing anything with them is built for disaster.
Personally moving Roosters to Adelaide solves all problems, Souths then will play at SFS, and none of our junior catchments or large fan bases are affected, plus Adelaide are 1.5 million in population that could sustain an NRL brand if it had proper backing and history like the rooster do, hell they are even the same colors of the rams who are somewhat still there

Moving the Roosters to Adelaide, having Manly engage with everywhere north of the bridge, and getting Souths to play out of the new SFS would solve a lot of problems.

We'd still have a bit of a log-jam in the inner west (Bulldogs, Eels, Tigers), and to a degree in the south (Dragons, Sharks), but it would certainly ease things to the west.

 

[mongoose]

A lot of talk about relocations. I think it's very unlikely it will happen and as I've said before I think the Roosters would be one of the last teams to volunteer to do that. They're able to poach and lure talent to the club largely because of their location. No club is giving that up....

 

[Haffa]

They most probably wont as long as homebush is paying them to play, plus they really hate the roosters, so sharing anything with them is built for disaster.
Personally moving Roosters to Adelaide solves all problems, Souths then will play at SFS, and none of our junior catchments or large fan bases are affected, plus Adelaide are 1.5 million in population that could sustain an NRL brand if it had proper backing and history like the rooster do, hell they are even the same colors of the rams who are somewhat still there

Souths to Adelaide makes more sense.

 

[ash the bash]

They most probably wont as long as homebush is paying them to play, plus they really hate the roosters, so sharing anything with them is built for disaster.
Personally moving Roosters to Adelaide solves all problems, Souths then will play at SFS, and none of our junior catchments or large fan bases are affected, plus Adelaide are 1.5 million in population that could sustain an NRL brand if it had proper backing and history like the rooster do, hell they are even the same colors of the rams who are somewhat still there

Not to distract from the Redcliffe topic but the new SFS and Stadium Australia are under the same management. After the merger between the SCG trust and NSW venues. Reading between the lines Souths will most certainly move back to the SFS. The Govt and the new stadiums body want that to happen and they will make it worthwhile for Souths. Personally can't wait to experience the new stadium, bus or tram up from the Juniors.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Souths to Adelaide makes more sense.

South Sydney Rabbitohs could become the South Australia Rabbitohs.

If I was in charge then the two teams that have Sydney in their name would stay in Sydney. We need to get teams to adopt names like Western Sydney. Wests could adopt that name. In the long term I would promote Western Sydney Tigers, South Sydney Rabbitohs and Sydney Rabbitohs as the three foundation teams of Sydney.

Dragons could relocate to Wollongong or one of the southern states, but Illawarra Dragons is probably the better move. Moving the Sharks to Adelaide could make it one of Australia's more iconic clubs.

Manly could move to New Zealand as they have a long history of recruiting Kiwis and have a fair few fans over there. Christchurch or Wellington would be a massive upgrade over Brookvale. Roosters can absorb the North Shore and Northern Beaches.

That leaves seven clubs covering Sydney/Illawarra with all 9 current Sydney brands alive and well. No one can whinge about that.

 

[Pippen94]

South Sydney Rabbitohs could become the South Australia Rabbitohs.

If I was in charge then the two teams that have Sydney in their name would stay in Sydney. We need to get teams to adopt names like Western Sydney. Wests could adopt that name. In the long term I would promote Western Sydney Tigers, South Sydney Rabbitohs and Sydney Rabbitohs as the three foundation teams of Sydney.

Dragons could relocate to Wollongong or one of the southern states, but Illawarra Dragons is probably the better move. Moving the Sharks to Adelaide could make it one of Australia's more iconic clubs.

Manly could move to New Zealand as they have a long history of recruiting Kiwis and have a fair few fans over there. Christchurch or Wellington would be a massive upgrade over Brookvale. Roosters can absorb the North Shore and Northern Beaches.

That leaves seven clubs covering Sydney/Illawarra with all 9 current Sydney brands alive and well. No one can whinge about that.

Big brands like Rabbitohs, Eels, Dragons & Tigers aren't moving anywhere if NRL values broadcast deal which they do.

Being in Sydney is far more lucrative otherwise dragons would've made jump years ago.

North shore will never accept Roosters. Bringing back Bears at Gosford / North Sydney would actually help Manly. Can't see NRL leaving that part of world without a team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Big brands like Rabbitohs, Eels, Dragons & Tigers aren't moving anywhere if NRL values broadcast deal which they do.

Being in Sydney is far more lucrative otherwise dragons would've made jump years ago.

North shore will never accept Roosters. Bringing back Bears at Gosford / North Sydney would actually help Manly. Can't see NRL leaving that part of world without a team.

Our generation wouldn't accept it, but future ones might if it's marketed correctly. Keeping old brands alive in new markets will allow rusted on fans to still have a team to support, while giving kids from the region a chance to jump on board whichever team adopts the area as its catchment. The key is getting the Roosters to market themselves to kids on the North Shore and Northern Beaches by running more school clinics and player appearances at local games than AwFuL does. Sending injured Roosters to Bears games at North Sydney Oval to sign autographs would be a great way of getting kids involved in the game. Sell memberships and merchandise while there and have sign-up stalls for junior football.

 

[Perth Red]

Our generation wouldn't accept it, but future ones might if it's marketed correctly. Keeping old brands alive in new markets will allow rusted on fans to still have a team to support, while giving kids from the region a chance to jump on board whichever team adopts the area as its catchment. The key is getting the Roosters to market themselves to kids on the North Shore and Northern Beaches by running more school clinics and player appearances at local games than AwFuL does. Sending injured Roosters to Bears games at North Sydney Oval to sign autographs would be a great way of getting kids involved in the game. Sell memberships and merchandise while there and have sign-up stalls for junior football.

it would onlY be accepted if the club was bankrupt and had no other option. Otherwise you’d get fans marching in the street and nrl is never going to accept that level of bad news. No club is in any danger of going bankrupt and not being able to find a new backer if they did. There will be no relocations, ever.

 

[MugaB]

it would onlY be accepted if the club was bankrupt and had no other option. Otherwise you’d get fans marching in the street and nrl is never going to accept that level of bad news. No club is in any danger of going bankrupt and not being able to find a new backer if they did. There will be no relocations, ever.

I can see relocations happening in the next decade, but not mergers.
Mergers solve nothing and just cause rifts between fans and boardrooms as evident of the three mergers that happened post SL, but then again canterbury didn't merge and they are always in boardroom infighting

 

[flippikat]

Our generation wouldn't accept it, but future ones might if it's marketed correctly. Keeping old brands alive in new markets will allow rusted on fans to still have a team to support, while giving kids from the region a chance to jump on board whichever team adopts the area as its catchment. The key is getting the Roosters to market themselves to kids on the North Shore and Northern Beaches by running more school clinics and player appearances at local games than AwFuL does. Sending injured Roosters to Bears games at North Sydney Oval to sign autographs would be a great way of getting kids involved in the game. Sell memberships and merchandise while there and have sign-up stalls for junior football.

Exactly. It's been more than 20 years since the Bears played in the top tier.. to put it into perspective, there was no-one seriously lobbying for Newtown to come back in 2004, two decades after their exit.

Sure the big difference is juniors - and Norths remains a big hole in the map of Sydney.. but my point is that fans (especially upcoming generations) move on.. and it's an opportunity the surviving clubs to engage with that area - especially the next generation of fans.... which ties in with the whole juniors issue too.

If the Roosters parlay the feeder arrangement with Norths into a "soft takeover", then even an actual takeover of the area, it sets them up well for a future in Sydney beyond Uncle Nick.

 

[flippikat]

I can see relocations happening in the next decade, but not mergers.
Mergers solve nothing and just cause rifts between fans and boardrooms as evident of the three mergers that happened post SL, but then again canterbury didn't merge and they are always in boardroom infighting

Good point, and I think that does get lost in these "thought exercises" about the future of Sydney. The mergers we've had have not been staggeringly successful.

Sure the Dragons and Tigers have won a premiership since becoming joint ventures, breaking 2 (or is that four?) hefty droughts for their long-suffering fans, then...?

Well.. not a lot really. Sure, not every team can be contenders every season - but you'd expect premiership windows to open & close - the ebb and flow, the cycle of the game, but the Dragons and Tigers premiership windows are more like a ranch-slider stuck slightly frustratingly ajar in desperate need of some CRC spray to get moving.

(Oh and less said about Northern Eagles the better. It made a dumpster fire look hospitable)

The big question though is what set of events could lead to a relocation?

 

[The_Frog]

St George Illawarra has been very successful. The model for all mergers.It's not about winning premierships, it is about viability and sustainability, and bringing the strengths of the two partners to the entity.

Wests Tigers has been fairly successful. The Balmain Tigers no longer exist in any meaningful form, but their mascot lives on in this club.

Northern Eagles was a disaster because Manly were greedy. The NRL should not have allowed them to revert to the single entity having thrown millions at the merger.

 

[MugaB]

St George Illawarra has been very successful. The model for all mergers.It's not about winning premierships, it is about viability and sustainability, and bringing the strengths of the two partners to the entity.

Wests Tigers has been fairly successful. The Balmain Tigers no longer exist in any meaningful form, but their mascot lives on in this club.

Northern Eagles was a disaster because Manly were greedy. The NRL should not have allowed them to revert to the single entity having thrown millions at the merger.

I doubt that tigers are successful, but they could be a huge presence, had they stuck to their color scheme, and maybe stop trying to be magpies, i reckon their current away jersey is pretty good on field, when you watch then running around they look like a team called tigers, now all they have to do is swap out the orange for white for the home jersey, as in a white tiger, but alas no... the predominantly black jersey comes back as the magpie rears its head, that club has a problem with "losing the magpie stigma" i dont care if wests leagues own more of the licence, and balmain have SFA etc, it doesn't help the whole brand when the old merger club is front and centre but you're team is called the tigers, i reckon as soon as they stop bowing down to the ol'magpie crew that club will dominate Western Sydney in crowds, memberships, veiwerships etc, the wests moniker is what's holding them back, plus a stable stadium/home, maybe the new liverpool boutique stadium will help.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I doubt that tigers are successful, but they could be a huge presence, had they stuck to their color scheme, and maybe stop trying to be magpies, i reckon their current away jersey is pretty good on field, when you watch then running around they look like a team called tigers, now all they have to do is swap out the orange for white for the home jersey, as in a white tiger, but alas no... the predominantly black jersey comes back as the magpie rears its head, that club has a problem with "losing the magpie stigma" i dont care if wests leagues own more of the licence, and balmain have SFA etc, it doesn't help the whole brand when the old merger club is front and centre but you're team is called the tigers, i reckon as soon as they stop bowing down to the ol'magpie crew that club will dominate Western Sydney in crowds, memberships, veiwerships etc, the wests moniker is what's holding them back, plus a stable stadium/home, maybe the new liverpool boutique stadium will help.

The team should be the Western Sydney Tigers. The "Western Sydney" part represents the old Wests Magpies. Tigers is a more marketable brand than Magpies. That brings the total number of Sydney clubs with the name "Sydney" in their brand to 3. It may not mean much to people from Sydney, but it makes the competition more marketable to foreign audiences.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Exactly. It's been more than 20 years since the Bears played in the top tier.. to put it into perspective, there was no-one seriously lobbying for Newtown to come back in 2004, two decades after their exit.

Sure the big difference is juniors - and Norths remains a big hole in the map of Sydney.. but my point is that fans (especially upcoming generations) move on.. and it's an opportunity the surviving clubs to engage with that area - especially the next generation of fans.... which ties in with the whole juniors issue too.

If the Roosters parlay the feeder arrangement with Norths into a "soft takeover", then even an actual takeover of the area, it sets them up well for a future in Sydney beyond Uncle Nick.

If Manly doesn't become a club that can represent the North Shore, Northern Beaches and Central Coast under the name North Sydney Sea Eagles then the NRL should save everyone's time and kick them out. As the "Manly Sea Eagles" they will never be anything but a hated club with a few thousand fans in an isolated region. It's stupid how the NRL wastes an NRL licence on this tiny club while Perth/Adelaide are unrepresented and Brisbane/NZ are under-represented. Losing the Manly Sea Eagles isn't going to cause any harm to RL, but not having teams in Adelaide, Perth and too few teams in Brisbane and NZ is holding us back. Brookvale is a blight on the game and it'll never be up to standard.