Redcliffe put their hand up

[mongoose]

Good point, and I think that does get lost in these "thought exercises" about the future of Sydney. The mergers we've had have not been staggeringly successful.

Sure the Dragons and Tigers have won a premiership since becoming joint ventures, breaking 2 (or is that four?) hefty droughts for their long-suffering fans, then...?

Well.. not a lot really. Sure, not every team can be contenders every season - but you'd expect premiership windows to open & close - the ebb and flow, the cycle of the game, but the Dragons and Tigers premiership windows are more like a ranch-slider stuck slightly frustratingly ajar in desperate need of some CRC spray to get moving.

(Oh and less said about Northern Eagles the better. It made a dumpster fire look hospitable)

The big question though is what set of events could lead to a relocation?

The Dragons were regular finalists from 1999 to whenever Bennet left. They probably should have jagged another premiership between 99 and 2009 but wasn't to be. The Tigers are a different story, just seem to constantly finish mid table outside the 8. They are stlll one of the better crowd pullers though.

 

[MugaB]

The team should be the Western Sydney Tigers. The "Western Sydney" part represents the old Wests Magpies. Tigers is a more marketable brand than Magpies. That brings the total number of Sydney clubs with the name "Sydney" in their brand to 3. It may not mean much to people from Sydney, but it makes the competition more marketable to foreign audiences.

I reckon the only teams that are allowed to call themselves "Sydney" should be those who started from 1908, so yes Western Sydney Tigers works, but Roosters should be called EASTERN Sydney Roosters!

 

[MugaB]

If Manly doesn't become a club that can represent the North Shore, Northern Beaches and Central Coast under the name North Sydney Sea Eagles then the NRL should save everyone's time and kick them out. As the "Manly Sea Eagles" they will never be anything but a hated club with a few thousand fans in an isolated region. It's stupid how the NRL wastes an NRL licence on this tiny club while Perth/Adelaide are unrepresented and Brisbane/NZ are under-represented. Losing the Manly Sea Eagles isn't going to cause any harm to RL, but not having teams in Adelaide, Perth and too few teams in Brisbane and NZ is holding us back. Brookvale is a blight on the game and it'll never be up to standard.

Geez coz a licence cost so much and we're trying to salvage everyone of them, thats pretty shit reasoning, ken arthurson, in the period of 88-95 handed them out like lollies, there was 6 interstate and 1 overseas team that came from that, if anything it should be done again, let the new frontiers grow and see which ones stick, as it it hapened in the end only 4 out those 7 survived

 

[Perth Red]

In an exclusive for Wide World of Sports, THE NRL ECONOMIST reveals the new colour scheme of the Redcliffe Dolphins and identifies the leading bid for the NRL's 17th licence.


https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/expansion-17th-team-brisbane-contenders-redcliffe-dolphins-ipswich-jets-brisbane-firehawks/de163791-13f3-46c7-b309-cfe94ad52d42?ocid=Social-NRLFS&fbclid=IwAR3FTOzsDkUNgvnURmnYTfcxwWE_sJbgI5vvNSVj6B-mHEFgUdTp5UGI0XE

 

[The Axe of Druss]

In an exclusive for Wide World of Sports, THE NRL ECONOMIST reveals the new colour scheme of the Redcliffe Dolphins and identifies the leading bid for the NRL's 17th licence.


https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/expans...nURmnYTfcxwWE_sJbgI5vvNSVj6B-mHEFgUdTp5UGI0XE

He makes some very good points, albeit snarkily, that the colours and mascot will be very important in the new club being successful in the long run

 

[The Axe of Druss]

They most probably wont as long as homebush is paying them to play, plus they really hate the roosters, so sharing anything with them is built for disaster.

Both clubs played at the SFS for what, 30 years before Souths moved to ANZ.

I think youre over selling the "issue"

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

For instance, if the Redcliffe Dolphins are granted entry, their annual revenue would surpass the Brisbane Broncos as the highest grossing franchise. Their total assets (reported at more than $100 million) are worth more than the AFL's Adelaide Crows, North Melbourne Kangaroos, Melbourne Demons and Gold Coast Suns combined. Yes, combined!

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/expans...nURmnYTfcxwWE_sJbgI5vvNSVj6B-mHEFgUdTp5UGI0XE​

Wow!

Who were the naysayers on here heaping shit on the Dolphins?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Geez coz a licence cost so much and we're trying to salvage everyone of them, thats pretty shit reasoning, ken arthurson, in the period of 88-95 handed them out like lollies, there was 6 interstate and 1 overseas team that came from that, if anything it should be done again, let the new frontiers grow and see which ones stick, as it it hapened in the end only 4 out those 7 survived

The ARLC will never go down that route again. We'll be lucky to get a 19th and 20th team within the next 10 or 20 years. After that I cannot see the NRL expanding unless it comes from the relocation of Sydney clubs.

 

[The Great Dane]

Who were the naysayers on here heaping shit on the Dolphins?

And they will still heap shit on the Dolphins because they are not addressing the criticism.

The fact still remains that they are a club with regionally restricted appeal and a brand that will alienate significant portions of the Brisbane market, and no assets or sums of money in their bank account will change that.

The NRL doesn't need a financially wealthy club with a tiny fan-base, like Brisbane's answer to the Roosters. What we need is a huge club that draws interest from across the city and can survive off their football operations alone as a result, and unless they are willing to make big changes (which so far they have proven unwilling to do) Redcliffe simply isn't capable of being that club because of their history and the way they are set up.

In other words; we don't need a club from Brisbane, we need a Brisbane club.
It's a subtle but important difference that seems to be lost on a lot people that discuss expansion, and considering the way things are going, it's almost certainly why at lest the next Brisbane club will fail to live up to expectations.

 

[MugaB]

For instance, if the Redcliffe Dolphins are granted entry, their annual revenue would surpass the Brisbane Broncos as the highest grossing franchise. Their total assets (reported at more than $100 million) are worth more than the AFL's Adelaide Crows, North Melbourne Kangaroos, Melbourne Demons and Gold Coast Suns combined. Yes, combined!

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/expans...nURmnYTfcxwWE_sJbgI5vvNSVj6B-mHEFgUdTp5UGI0XE​

Wow!

Who were the naysayers on here heaping shit on the Dolphins?

Yes dolphins are soooo cute, can't wait to see Cronulla vs Dolphins, battle for the ocean tehe

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yes dolphins are soooo cute, can't wait to see Cronulla vs Dolphins, battle for the ocean tehe

Winner gets a trip to Sea World.

 

[LeagueXIII]

For instance, if the Redcliffe Dolphins are granted entry, their annual revenue would surpass the Brisbane Broncos as the highest grossing franchise. Their total assets (reported at more than $100 million) are worth more than the AFL's Adelaide Crows, North Melbourne Kangaroos, Melbourne Demons and Gold Coast Suns combined. Yes, combined!

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/expans...nURmnYTfcxwWE_sJbgI5vvNSVj6B-mHEFgUdTp5UGI0XE​

Wow!

Who were the naysayers on here heaping shit on the Dolphins?

They can't have that much money, they have a small catchment area according to some

 

[The Great Dane]

They can't have that much money, they have a small catchment area according to some

You don't need a large 'catchment' to build a large sum of money.

The Raiders are one of the smallest markets in the league, yet they are one of the richest clubs. Just like Redcliffe, their fortune has nothing to with the amount of fans they have, or football at all.

 

[MugaB]

Winner gets a trip to Sea World.

Im literally here right now, at the resort

 

[Pippen94]

And they will still heap shit on the Dolphins because they are not addressing the criticism.

The fact still remains that they are a club with regionally restricted appeal and a brand that will alienate significant portions of the Brisbane market, and no assets or sums of money in their bank account will change that.

The NRL doesn't need a financially wealthy club with a tiny fan-base, like Brisbane's answer to the Roosters. What we need is a huge club that draws interest from across the city and can survive off their football operations alone as a result, and unless they are willing to make big changes (which so far they have proven unwilling to do) Redcliffe simply isn't capable of being that club because of their history and the way they are set up.

In other words; we don't need a club from Brisbane, we need a Brisbane club.
It's a subtle but important difference that seems to be lost on a lot people that discuss expansion, and considering the way things are going, it's almost certainly why at lest the next Brisbane club will fail to live up to expectations.

All successful 2nd city teams have geographical point of difference. See Wanderers & Dockers. Failed entities try to appeal to same catchment & play at out of same venue. Crushers, Clippers, Melbourne City etc.

 

[T-Boon]

All successful 2nd city teams have geographical point of difference. See Wanderers & Dockers. Failed entities try to appeal to same catchment & play at out of same venue. Crushers, Clippers, Melbourne City etc.

wanderers are a success? Crushers were more better than them.

 

[Pippen94]

wanderers are a success? Crushers were more better than them.

Everything is relative. Wanderers matched attendance & members of Sydney FC in first year.
Melbourne City still lags far behind Victory.

 

[Perth Red]

For instance, if the Redcliffe Dolphins are granted entry, their annual revenue would surpass the Brisbane Broncos as the highest grossing franchise. Their total assets (reported at more than $100 million) are worth more than the AFL's Adelaide Crows, North Melbourne Kangaroos, Melbourne Demons and Gold Coast Suns combined. Yes, combined!

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/expans...nURmnYTfcxwWE_sJbgI5vvNSVj6B-mHEFgUdTp5UGI0XE​

Wow!

Who were the naysayers on here heaping shit on the Dolphins?

be interesting to know where he’s got his figures from given dolphins don’t publish an annual report? Revenue is one thing, profit to invest back into the nrl club is quite another. If you’re talking company consolidated revenue rather than football generated then raiders, roosters ($75mill), eels ($81mill), knights and panthers ($135mill) would be ahead of Broncos anyway from the LC and other investment returns.

Broncos have an annual football club revenue of around $55mill and a LC revenue of $12.1million. (Pre covid).
It will be very impressive if any Brisbane2 club can get near that FC revenue in the next decade.

 

[mongoose]

I actually think a Moreton Bay team is a good idea but like Dane says Brisbane still needs another proper team that appeals to all of Brissie and plays out of Suncorp.

ideally you bring in both and minus 1 team from Sydney....

De-merge Wests Tigers, push Magpies back to NSW cup. The Balmain Tigers can join up with Easts Tigers in Brisbane, they can even play the occasional game at Leichardt. Canterbury and Parra take over Wests territory or maybe the Roosters can take it, whatever.

 

[Pippen94]

I actually think a Moreton Bay team is a good idea but like Dane says Brisbane still needs another proper team that appeals to all of Brissie and plays out of Suncorp.

ideally you bring in both and minus 1 team from Sydney....

De-merge Wests Tigers, push Magpies back to NSW cup. The Balmain Tigers can join up with Easts Tigers in Brisbane, they can even play the occasional game at Leichardt. Canterbury and Parra take over Wests territory or maybe the Roosters can take it, whatever.

How does east Brisbane appeal to all of Brisbane??

Playing out of Suncorp & targeting whole of Brisbane is something Broncos already do.

Tigers one of most popular teams in Sydney & south west is fastest growing region. Be NRL cutting off its nose in spite of its face.