Redcliffe put their hand up

[MugaB]

The whole point of another Brisbane team is to maximize the 2nd biggest rugby league market in the world, but instead you want to put team in area of 300k ppl which is on the doorstep of Brisbane anyway. Never going to f**king happen

I'd like to think it can be both, if a few games get scheduled to sunshine coast, and the bulk (10) home matches at Suncorp, with only trials and training at redcliffe, it may well encompass the whole coast of SEQ, upto brisbane at least, my original point being that this might be the only bid that can grow out of brisbane without eating into both bronx and titans areas... more like a "greater brisbane"
While Jets bid eat into broncos pie, and firehawks bid eat into both bronx and titans...
It was mentioned bt the ARLC a few times they don't want the new team to cannibalize the titans or broncos

 

[Pippen94]

I'd like to think it can be both, if a few games get scheduled to sunshine coast, and the bulk (10) home matches at Suncorp, with only trials and training at redcliffe, it may well encompass the whole coast of SEQ, upto brisbane at least, my original point being that this might be the only bid that can grow out of brisbane without eating into both bronx and titans areas... more like a "greater brisbane"
While Jets bid eat into broncos pie, and firehawks bid eat into both bronx and titans...
It was mentioned bt the ARLC a few times they don't want the new team to cannibalize the titans or broncos

Yeah, I see dolphins encompassing sunshine coast along with north Brisbane. Small regional centers won't get a look in on their own

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The Dolphins leagues club's investments in real estate and the such have no bearing on the success of their football department or their ability to run a successful football business...

Look, I know you are the type of 'I'm right and you're wrong' type of guy no matter what anyone says but the facts are that the Dolphins have a good junior base, run an existing successful and historical football club and have a large asset base to back them. They're also willing to forego the Redcliffe name and play at Suncorp. That is an attractive prospect as an NRL option as much as you don't like it.

 

[Perth Red]

No it f**king doesn't. Can be 18k & play big matches at lang park which they'll do anyway.

That'd be like saying manly can play at brookvale and just take the big games to sfs, how do you think that would go? Its a loooong way from Redcliffe to Suncorp. Dolphins either need to be a Moreton bay outer suburb club, in which case they will be small and need a new stadium, or a Brisbane based city club. Trying to be both is fraught with problems. Anyway hopefully Firehawks, then Perth, get in and this is all a pointless debate!

 

[Pippen94]

That'd be like saying manly can play at brookvale and just take the big games to sfs, how do you think that would go? Its a loooong way from Redcliffe to Suncorp. Dolphins either need to be a Moreton bay outer suburb club, in which case they will be small and need a new stadium, or a Brisbane based city club. Trying to be both is fraught with problems. Anyway hopefully Firehawks, then Perth, get in and this is all a pointless debate!

It'd be like being in northern england & playing final at wembly or NRL grand final at homebush

Firehawks are a plastic club which are trying to be everything to everyone - only an idiot would endorse it

 

[Jim Rockford]

Firehawks are a plastic club which are trying to be everything to everyone - only an idiot would endorse it

Exactly why Perth Red are all for them.

 

[Perth Red]

It'd be like being in northern england & playing final at wembly or NRL grand final at homebush

Firehawks are a plastic club which are trying to be everything to everyone - only an idiot would endorse it

haha it’s nothing like that at all!
why plastic? They had no choice but to change their name for the nrl and they are an existing second tier club which is what many seemed to want for next expansion. They are being what the nrl needs, another brisbane club with wide appeal, not some suburban sydney clone which we know isnt working for the 21st century.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Moreton Bay is just Brisbane imo, nobody associates with "Moreton Bay" It's just a name made up for the purposes of a council .... I think you're better off having a 3rd team on the Sunshine Coast which is supposed to see huge growth in coming years. Use the Olympics to upgrade their stadium to 25-30k and their support would be similar to the Cowboys.

Moreton Bay is part of the Brisbane metropolitan area, but do people from Logan, Ipswich, Redlands and Brisbane identify with it?

There are cultural differences between the various cities of Greater Brisbane that dictate where people choose to live. Traffic congestion is getting worse across Greater Brisbane as it becomes more built-up, with commuting times already greater than Sydney and Melbourne.

Moreton Bay will always be bigger and more centralised than the Sunshine Coast.

 

[Pippen94]

haha it’s nothing like that at all!
why plastic? They had no choice but to change their name for the nrl and they are an existing second tier club which is what many seemed to want for next expansion. They are being what the nrl needs, another brisbane club with wide appeal, not some suburban sydney clone which we know isnt working for the 21st century.

Brisbane wide team won't succeed because one exists so why the f**k would anybody support it?!

 

[The Great Dane]

Look, I know you are the type of 'I'm right and you're wrong' type of guy no matter what anyone says but the facts are that the Dolphins have a good junior base, run an existing successful and historical football club and have a large asset base to back them. They're also willing to forego the Redcliffe name and play at Suncorp. That is an attractive prospect as an NRL option as much as you don't like it.

All of that is nice and all, but it still has little to no bearing on the success of their football department or their ability to run a successful football business.

So you can present all the facts about Redcliffe you like, but, depending on the point, their amount of juniors, their history, etc, has little to no impact on whether or not their NRL side will be capable of making a profit.

 

[Hartwood]

All of that is nice and all, but it still has little to no bearing on the success of their football department or their ability to run a successful football business.

So you can present all the facts about Redcliffe you like, but, depending on the point, their amount of juniors, their history, etc, has little to no impact on whether or not their NRL side will be capable of making a profit.

What evidence is there that the other bids will run a more successful "football business"

 

[The Great Dane]

What evidence is there that the other bids will run a more successful "football business"

Easts have made significant moves to appeal to a broader audience than just their traditional fanbase, they're going to be run by people whom have experience of building and running profitable teams at other clubs (namely Souths and Brisbane), they've build up cash reserves to invest into the club instead of relying exclusively on grants from their leagues club, etc.

Who really knows what's going on with the Jets anymore, but the Bombers bid was build with the intention that it'd be run independently, and had found the sponsorship and backing to be able to do that at least initially.

Whether or not either would actually succeed in building profitable clubs is a different question, but both would have a much better shot than Redcliffe whose whole bid is built on the basis that they have a rich leagues club, with lots of assets, which can afford to bankroll an NRL team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

What evidence is there that the other bids will run a more successful "football business"

We're just fans talking about what we want to see in a new club and we all have different opinions.

I think all three could be successful, at least to some degree, but only if they market themselves to the right demographic. Things outside of their control, such as the form of their competitors, will play a roll.

The Titans are an example of how quickly things can go tits up if something unexpected, like the global financial crisis, comes out of no where.

I like the Firehawks as they're in the perfect location to provide a strong rivalry with the Broncos.

The Broncos are based a few KMs northwest of the CBD on the north side of the Brisbane River. The Firehawks are a few KMs southeast of the CBD on the south side of the Brisbane River. North vs south. East vs west.

Broncos is an American brand, whereas Firehawks is truly Australian.

Broncos are a corporate giant blow in with no grassroots history before 1988 who've based their success around poaching talent from local clubs all over Queensland without giving anything in return.

Firehawks have a long history dating back to the 1930s in the BRL and have been successful on and off the field. A few years back the Easts Leagues Club had to bail out the Broncos Leagues Club. That shows just how strong the Firehawks are and will help create an instant rivalry between them and the Broncos.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

All of that is nice and all, but it still has little to no bearing on the success of their football department or their ability to run a successful football business.

So you can present all the facts about Redcliffe you like, but, depending on the point, their amount of juniors, their history, etc, has little to no impact on whether or not their NRL side will be capable of making a profit.

If Redcliffe is no good, then who's your better option then?

 

[Foreign Legion]

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[Perth Red]

End of day any new clubs financial success and sustainability will be built on how much revenue it can generate from fans buying memeberships and merch, and corproates sponsoring the club and buying suites on game day.

 

[Diesel]

Kent mentioned the Hawks are wanting the Jets to join and offered a seat on the board. Jets want to go alone but the longer this drags on, the more likely the Hawks and Jets merge.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

End of day any new clubs financial success and sustainability will be built on how much revenue it can generate from fans buying memeberships and merch, and corproates sponsoring the club and buying suites on game day.

How many people will Brisbane 2 need to draw to each home game to make a profit?

My guess is they will need to draw 20k at Lang Park to break even and make a profit.

How many people will Perth and Adelaide team need to attend their games to break even?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Kent mentioned the Hawks are wanting the Jets to join and offered a seat on the board. Jets want to go alone but the longer this drags on, the more likely the Hawks and Jets merge.

Jets and Tigers joining forces would shore up the southern suburbs of Brisbane, Logan and Ipswich. It would really boost RL and give AwFuL many headaches.

What would they call themselves?

 

[MugaB]

Kent mentioned the Hawks are wanting the Jets to join and offered a seat on the board. Jets want to go alone but the longer this drags on, the more likely the Hawks and Jets merge.

Thats just a huge fail now imo, geographically it would have been better for firehawks and dolphins combine bids, whatever the firehawks are lacking the jets aren't going to fill it, it just seems they want to take out the competition by siding with them