Redneck Redfaces

[POPEYE]

Not sure if the NSW League public are happy about all the caterwalling by their so-called representatives.
Q are getting on the bandwagon too but only after what they see as provocation. Elias and Daley say
they are smug. Why wouldn't they when pressure screws are being tightened on NSW players when it's
the last thing they need.

Don't miss Rothfield's column this morning. It'll remind you to take the garbage out, pick up the dogshit,
clean the gutters and wash your car. I'm jealous of the bloke. He gets paid good money for the rubbish
he writes and mine is equally as good and you get it for free.

Paul Kent has written an accurate and informative article about the Cronulla/Titans game. I might add
it was a good game of footy if footy is what you want to watch.

Not sure what an Origin team would gain from a session against an U-20's side except injury, especially
if they thought the coach needs impressing. I was looking forward to seeing Grant rip in with no inhibitions
but if that doesn't come to fruition I'm sure Woods won't let me down.

I try hard to feel for the Roosters especially since my son-in-law and grandsons, who braved the conditions
3 hours from home, are avid supporters. Every time I see Anasta's picture after a game with a look of
bewilderment another subconscious picture of a coach doing a chimpanzee impersonation comes to mind.
The sooner they get rid of a bloke who turns up with a game plan that needs changing at half time but has
no f**king idea the better off they will be.

We all know Bennett knows what he's talking about . . . don't we. Well I still think so even though he's
struggling with Rothfield's super team. Benny says what I said in that Stuart should be given a 10 year
contract as Blues coach. Crikey, I hope my chances of survival in this forum are better than the vibes from Newcastle.

 

[POPEYE]

Woke this morning to find Geyer has pronounced Jennings as the new Steve Renouf . . . dearie me.
Last thing NSW need is Penrith's #1 ticket holder backing anyone to do anything. Suppose he could
be excused for the mix-up, they both have dark skin.

Shaun Johnson coming back to haunt Cleary last night is nothing compared to the sleepless nights
Luke Walsh is going to cause. Seems Ivan has more loose canons on deck than he bargained for
but it won't take him long to throw them overboard. Love it when Wozza puts his foot in his mouth
over Vatuvei . . . hard to imagine a bloke dropping a ball in torrential rain before a ball was kicked.

I hope NSW win tomorrow night for the game's sake but dopes like Farrar predicting the future instead
of keeping a low profile make it hard. I learnt finishing a blue was preferable to starting one, especially
against a quiet bloke sitting in the corner.

Not sure whether Cecchin coming out of the closet gave him a false sense of security because in this age
of enlightenment it would be imprudent for the NRL not to embrace such courage. If indeed he was trying
to make a statement in favour of the gay community in a macho environment he should have given
more consideration to talent.

 

[POPEYE]

MG at it again last night threatening the U/9's if they don't win the coach will be sacked and replaced
immediately by Laurie Daley. Should have added their mummies and sisters will be sent to Libya and
their fathers tortured, worse still, Gallop would be returned. No wonder Jack Gibson wanted nothing to
do with Geyer either as a player or a man.

Seems Wally is a big mouth Q'er for saying Carney should take an extra metre back in attack which
may help him combat any nerves. What the f**k would Wally know.

Good to see Archer as referee because we all know he has nothing to prove. I would like to see Klein
there also because he's his own man and won't try to compensate for mistakes by either himself or Archer.
Origin would be better off with the pommie ref from the test but at least we can have two refs that don't
make a game of it between themselves.

Everyone wants it seems to see a couple of donnybrooks tonight and I'm no different, as long as that's
all they are. The players have more chance of getting hurt playing the game so they look forward to the rest.
It's what causes the push and shove that worries me . . . no broken body parts that will interfere with the remaining rounds

 

[Murf]

Doesn't the word discussion imply that there is more than one person involved?

 

[POPEYE]

I have a confession to make. Born and bred in NSW I have recently been expressing concern about unnecessary pressure
placed on Blues players. Don't for a second think I give a tinker's cuss whether NSW ever win a game let alone a series.
I want NSW to win for Carney's sake and that's all. I have known people like Carney and Karise Eden from The Voice all my
life and for talented people to struggle with unfortunate obstacles is cruel.

I detest everything about NSW Origin except the players. Beetson was forced to play 18 games for NSW and only allowed to
play 3 for his beloved Q. In '80 he wasn't bashing Blues' players, he was bashing the State of NSW for all their hypocritical crap.
Took me until after Wally was gone to realise I had no respect for the way NSW heirarchy conducted themselves.

If Carney has a great night tonight there will be no-one happier than me but if he can't match the gun Q pair of halves and
gets ostracised because of it I will shit on NSW from great heights at every opportunity.

 

[ek999]

Bellamy already does what you ask. They were a bad kick away from beating the tabloids' second best
team last night. Every Storm player except the front rowers is trained to be multi-tasked and it almost
worked. Last night's team would still be guaranteed one of the eight floats in the gf mardis gras.

Did you actually end up watching this game? That team that played could only beat a couple of other teams in the comp and not by much. Melbourne were terrible and had no idea what they were doing in attack, passes were going behind players and they kept getting in each others way. Sure they defended pretty well but they never really looked like scoring any points. They were just lucky that the Tigers had one of their where they played badly too. Any team except Parramatta, Newcastle and Canberra would have beaten them comfortably.

There is no ball-playing ability in either the front rowers or second rowers and a back rower playing halfback. Where exactly would they score their points? That Melbourne team would finish no higher than 12th and more likely 15th or 16th. As would be expected of any team that lost their three best and highly paid players who are taking up a large chunk of the cap.

I understand that you like Craig Bellamy and the Storm but be realistic.

 

[POPEYE]

Doesn't the word discussion imply that there is more than one person involved?

Want to discuss something? Be my guest. You're not just another dipshit who offers nothing more than birdshit and flies away are you. What would you like to talk about

 

[POPEYE]

Did you actually end up watching this game? That team that played could only beat a couple of other teams in the comp and not by much. Melbourne were terrible and had no idea what they were doing in attack, passes were going behind players and they kept getting in each others way. Sure they defended pretty well but they never really looked like scoring any points. They were just lucky that the Tigers had one of their where they played badly too. Any team except Parramatta, Newcastle and Canberra would have beaten them comfortably.

There is no ball-playing ability in either the front rowers or second rowers and a back rower playing halfback. Where exactly would they score their points? That Melbourne team would finish no higher than 12th and more likely 15th or 16th. As would be expected of any team that lost their three best and highly paid players who are taking up a large chunk of the cap.

I understand that you like Craig Bellamy and the Storm but be realistic.

Be careful before responding to anything I write. The main idea of my post was blatant piss taking in
reply to stupid arse sitters reporting the game as anything more than a futile exercise. For the Tigers
to take a single positive thing from this game would be hypocritical. After all you said Kelly could have
won that game with a good kick.

Now, in a serious response if you really want to discuss the Storm's performance you first must look at
a few facts. Their so-called overpaid big three are just that because they very rarely miss a game.
If you compare them to other so-called superstars and paid them on a game played basis they are
probably underpaid.

Because they rarely miss a game there has not been any opportunity to have others practice in their
positions. The team you saw would undoubtedly do better each game under Bellamy if the Q plane
crashed and the big 3 were no more. As far as the rest of the team goes Bellamy is happy enough
with the forwards and the backs are as good as any other. He would rather retrain another big 3 than
face what Bennett is facing.

 

[ek999]

Be careful before responding to anything I write. The main idea of my post was blatant piss taking in
reply to stupid arse sitters reporting the game as anything more than a futile exercise. For the Tigers
to take a single positive thing from this game would be hypocritical. After all you said Kelly could have
won that game with a good kick.

So I should stop reading now because this is just another pisstake? Makes it a bit confusing, you have said in many posts in this thread that you think Bellamy is ther best coah in the league - is that a pisstake too? Not one word of your post could be taken as a pisstake unless this whole thread and therefore your entire opinion is a pisstake because it is very consistent with everything else you have posted

Now, in a serious response if you really want to discuss the Storm's performance you first must look at
a few facts. Their so-called overpaid big three are just that because they very rarely miss a game.
If you compare them to other so-called superstars and paid them on a game played basis they are
probably underpaid.

Because they rarely miss a game there has not been any opportunity to have others practice in their
positions. The team you saw would undoubtedly do better each game under Bellamy if the Q plane
crashed and the big 3 were no more. As far as the rest of the team goes Bellamy is happy enough
with the forwards and the backs are as good as any other. He would rather retrain another big 3 than
face what Bennett is facing.

Assuming this isn't a pisstake because you said it was serious (but who can be sure), this doesn't make sense. Who are they underpaid compared too, they will have a base wage each which would put them in the top 5 to 10% of players paid because the Storm weren't able to re-negotiate Smith and Slater's contracts and Cronk just re-signed and it would have to be a significant offer to reject the Gold Coast. They then play 3 Origin games and get an extra $60,000 for that plus whatever they get paid to play for Australia plus whatever 3rd party deals they get paid which they are only paid because they are the best of the best.

What other superstars are paid more than them there will not be very many.

So you're serious when you tell me that a team with Matt Duffie at fullback, Kostjasyn in halfback and Hinchcliffe at hooker could win the comp with the talentless forward pack that they have. Again I ask where would their points come from?

You don't need the most talented halves to win matches. The Bulldogs are currently third playing Keating and Reynolds in the halves. The difference though is that every single forward has ball playing ability and are able to pass the ball before and at the line drawing in defenders and creating space for Barba and Reynolds and the outside backs. Could Brian Norrie and Jason Ryles do that.

Talent can cover up flaws created by not having combinations develop. No amount of time to build combinations can make up for a lack of talent.

 

[Hutty1986]

I have a confession to make. Born and bred in NSW I have recently been expressing concern about unnecessary pressure
placed on Blues players. Don't for a second think I give a tinker's cuss whether NSW ever win a game let alone a series.
I want NSW to win for Carney's sake and that's all. I have known people like Carney and Karise Eden from The Voice all my
life and for talented people to struggle with unfortunate obstacles is cruel.

I detest everything about NSW Origin except the players. Beetson was forced to play 18 games for NSW and only allowed to
play 3 for his beloved Q. In '80 he wasn't bashing Blues' players, he was bashing the State of NSW for all their hypocritical crap.
Took me until after Wally was gone to realise I had no respect for the way NSW heirarchy conducted themselves.

If Carney has a great night tonight there will be no-one happier than me but if he can't match the gun Q pair of halves and
gets ostracised because of it I will shit on NSW from great heights at every opportunity.

Poor Toddy, it's definitely not his fault he couldn't stop getting on the p*ss. Belt up pops, turncoat old windbag

 

[POPEYE]

So I should stop reading now because this is just another pisstake? Makes it a bit confusing, you have said in many posts in this thread that you think Bellamy is ther best coah in the league - is that a pisstake too? Not one word of your post could be taken as a pisstake unless this whole thread and therefore your entire opinion is a pisstake because it is very consistent with everything else you have posted

Assuming this isn't a pisstake because you said it was serious (but who can be sure), this doesn't make sense. Who are they underpaid compared too, they will have a base wage each which would put them in the top 5 to 10% of players paid because the Storm weren't able to re-negotiate Smith and Slater's contracts and Cronk just re-signed and it would have to be a significant offer to reject the Gold Coast. They then play 3 Origin games and get an extra $60,000 for that plus whatever they get paid to play for Australia plus whatever 3rd party deals they get paid which they are only paid because they are the best of the best.

What other superstars are paid more than them there will not be very many.

So you're serious when you tell me that a team with Matt Duffie at fullback, Kostjasyn in halfback and Hinchcliffe at hooker could win the comp with the talentless forward pack that they have. Again I ask where would their points come from?

You don't need the most talented halves to win matches. The Bulldogs are currently third playing Keating and Reynolds in the halves. The difference though is that every single forward has ball playing ability and are able to pass the ball before and at the line drawing in defenders and creating space for Barba and Reynolds and the outside backs. Could Brian Norrie and Jason Ryles do that.

Talent can cover up flaws created by not having combinations develop. No amount of time to build combinations can make up for a lack of talent.

Mate, I have to go pick up my grandson and prepare tonight's pissup at his house before his parents
get off work. That's a genuine excuse so I will get back to you tomorrow on this subject. Hold the
thought, I need the company

 

[POPEYE]

Well thank f**k for that. Both Pearce and Carney had as good a game as can be expected. No need to change anything Ricky.
Even if they don't win the 3rd, and there's no reason they can't, no need to alter the team, put pressure on them or make a fool of yourself

 

[POPEYE]

Are you out there ek. If you want to banter opinions back and forth with me you'll have to make a
few allowances. I'm a cynical old man whose only god is common sense, and even then I'll never
become a disciple. You are wasting your time preaching salary cap, grand finals or numbers on
players' backs to me. They are only for onlookers with the wrong agendas as far as I'm concerned.

Let's get this pisstake thing out of the way seeing as you're preoccupied with it. It's not up to me to
flag what is pisstaking, it's up to you to discipher it. I know a very little about most things and a lot
about nothing except pisstaking. You won't get far with me if everything you don't understand you
try and write off as pisstaking.

Melbourne don't need ball playing forwards because it would only confuse things. Opposition players
don't see a #1, #7 or #9, that's why there are no numbers on the front of jerseys. They see only that
the Storm have 3 dangerous ball players as the points for and against would suggest. Some teams
are lucky enough to have 2, most just 1 and a few none.

The salary cap is meaningless other than to provide excuses for underpaying the overworked
majority of players. I don't care that key players in any team may have offshore bank accounts for
when their ten or so year career is over. Nor do I care if their wives are included in subterfuges or if
children have trust funds offshore.

What I like about the Storm is that their key players offer better value for money than other key players.
Not sure what Burgess, Dugan, Prince, Asotasi, Sandow, Snowden, Jennings . . . and so on and so on are
being paid but Slater, Cronk and Smith are worth 3 times whatever it is regardless if talent was comparable.
Waste of time having a Ferrari broken down or sitting in a garage.

The vast majority of League supporters either believe or want to believe in lots of intangibles and things
that make them feel warm all over. If Bellamy, Hasler, Griffin and hopefully now Maguire and Flanagan
need to find replacements if unfortunate circumstances arise I have no doubt they could return to the status quo

 

[ek999]

Whether you like the salary cap or not, and I'm not the biggest fan due to what it has done to depth espescially in reserve grade, its an integral part of the competition as it now stands. Salary cap management is one of the most importants roles of a club CEO and recruitment team. I agree with you that the top players are underpaid and could get paid more if there wasn't a salary cap. Having said that, if there was no salary cap I don't think Slater, Cronk or Smith would even still be playing for Melbourne as clubs with alot more money to spend (Brisbane, Bulldogs, Roosters, Souths, Newcastle) would be able to pay them alot more than what News Ltd would be willing to put into the Storm.

Onto the Storm's playing roster itself, Melbourne rely on those three than any other top club relies on any three players. When Manly lost Kieran Foran, they won 4 out of 5 including beating Brisbane and Canterbury. Would Melbourne be able to do the same if they lost Smith. Brisbane had about 6 people out oon the weekend and scored 40 in the rain. Melbourne lost 3 and could only score 6. They rely on those 3 players to either score or set up all their try's. Ignoring numbers and positions, could Melbourne win matches relying purely on Widdop to do most of the attacking work? The rest of the Storm squad have been well trained to do simple things but do them at a high level. As soon as they try anything with a bit of skill it all falls apart

If Slater's injury is worse than first thought it will be interesting to see how they go. If Slater doesn't play against Manly and Canterbury in the next 2 weeks I don't think they will win because a lot of their plays aren't as effective if Matt Duffie is playing the role Billy normally does

 

[POPEYE]

Been nice talking to you. We don't agree on a few things but if you have more to discuss feel free any time.

 

[POPEYE]

Poor Toddy, it's definitely not his fault he couldn't stop getting on the p*ss. Belt up pops, turncoat old windbag

Sorry old mate, I was a bit taken aback by someone actually discussing something with me and almost
missed you. I don't know why you're so nasty to me when I'm always kind to you. Still looking only for
something you want to hear and see. I don't think you'd realise a bus was up your arse until the
passengers started getting out

 

[Hutty1986]

Sorry old mate, I was a bit taken aback by someone actually discussing something with me and almost
missed you. I don't know why you're so nasty to me when I'm always kind to you. Still looking only for
something you want to hear and see. I don't think you'd realise a bus was up your arse until the
passengers started getting out

Poppo, old chap. I was just wondering why you painted Carney as the victim, that's all?

 

[POPEYE]

Poppo, old chap. I was just wondering why you painted Carney as the victim, that's all?

C'mon, give me a break. Carney was never a victim. Most of his problems are self inflicted and I hope
Karise Eden hasn't been a victim of anything sinister either. It's just unfortunate that they went
without things growing up that most take for granted. No need to feel sorry for these two because a
twist of fate has saved the day for them, but I know first hand of many other youngsters who deserve
the luck they're never going to get and every time I hear Carney's name I think of them

 

[POPEYE]

Slater's injury may go a long way towards relieving the boredom for the average League supporter.
The doubters will find out if Bellamy knows what he's doing and if the Storm were just riding on the
back of a gift horse. My bet is Slater will be back sooner rather than later because Melbourne players
have always spurned mediocracy and there are no show ponies in the stable

 

[POPEYE]

To start the tele's day they have a pic of 3 players trying to stop Inglis' progress, Carney doing it by
using his head as a lever. Not sure why the media look for bad decisions to report on instead of just
savouring the moment. The vibes I got were that NSW deserved to win because of how they played
the game with the unnecessary pressure they were under.

Harrigan's not going to miss a chance at redemption in the eyes of the NSW public by saying a penalty
try should have been rewarded. Q would have been handed the game if a penalty try had of been
given. The Blues couldn't have held out in imo if they got the try they deserved but missed two others
they probably wouldn't have got.

Anything at all that brings gambling on League into disrepute has got my blessing. I detest that round
faced prick spurting out the odds during the break and he probably jokes with his friends how gullible
the League public are. Would have cleaned up with Farrar getting the bird.

Heresy I know but I'm looking forward to Slater missing Origin 3. Imo the only decision Q have to
make is who the new centre to replace Inglis will be. Bring on Jack Reed I say. He's still allowed to
declare his allegiance I'm told even though he shouldn't have to. Anyway you look at it, the 2nd game
was a walk in the park for the Blues compared with what they'll face at Suncorp. I'm not reneging on
my wish for a Blues series win however . . . although I would like them to win without outside help

To finish we have Gidley begging NSW to stick with Uate. I know we're talking about the usual dipshit
heirarchy but why wouldn't they stick with Uate. He made one mistake and needed help holding Inglis.
Then again, NSW won the 2nd game last year, I wouldn't put it past NSW flat arses to find a way to
disrupt team morale again this year