Redneck Redfaces

[POPEYE]

Seems Price has graduated his apprenticeship with flying colours and it's great to witness. Knights were denied a fair try imo but it would have been hypothetical if Creagh could hold a ball. Gould once again proved himself superfluous but it was an interesting game

Glad I'm back in NSW so I didn't have to watch the Brisbane game instead . . . looking at the score.

 

[Nice Beaver]

You and I clearly have a different set of values even if you could prove any Storm player would have left the team for more money

I would consider the fact they were $1 million over the salary cap as a fair indication that they players would have left had they not been offered more money.

Or were the Storm just offering players more money because they had too much cash sitting in the sock drawer?

You don't offer to pay players over and above the salary cap because they're willing to stay for LESS money than they can get elsewhere. But no, no, you're right, I have no evidence :roll:

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

I would consider the fact they were $1 million over the salary cap as a fair indication that they players would have left had they not been offered more money.

Or were the Storm just offering players more money because they had too much cash sitting in the sock drawer?

You don't offer to pay players over and above the salary cap because they're willing to stay for LESS money than they can get elsewhere. But no, no, you're right, I have no evidence :roll:

This.

Smith very nearly became a Titan in 2007 from memory. A deal with Foxtell was the reason he stayed.
And that's money that other teams didn't have to offer.

Sorry POPEYE, but you and I just don't see eye to eye on this one.
Yes, the storm managed to identify some excellent young talent.
What they did to to keep it voids all they achieved, and they were punished accordingly.

 

[eozsmiles]

I disagree. Money doesn't help when you're standing toe to toe. A team is sent where it is expected to ruffle the feathers of another code that operates in a vaccuum such as Victoria, but at the same time is given little hope, performs way and beyond.

With the money available to it that team could have bought the best positional players from every other team and thereby destroying any achievement associated with having performed in a hostile environment.

Not only did that team not poach players from any team that wanted to keep them but after a settling in period it preferred to offer unknown coaches an opportunity who in turn created its own superstars.

Not sure how you define soul but the Melbourne Storm have more soul than any other team in the comp imo

Money is the most critical thing in a salary cap controlled game. You can have a coach that is 50% better than the rest but if you are 20% under the cap you won't win. 20% under the cap is the Storm without Cronk and Slater. They could be coached by Bennett and Bellamy but without a million dollars worth of talent they are cactus.

Besides the legal advantages of having vast off field resources, having the ability to out bid all rivals for the services of the games elite players outside of the rules, where other clubs are forced to give up players, is just a no brainer.

 

[eozsmiles]

I would consider the fact they were $1 million over the salary cap as a fair indication that they players would have left had they not been offered more money.

Or were the Storm just offering players more money because they had too much cash sitting in the sock drawer?

You don't offer to pay players over and above the salary cap because they're willing to stay for LESS money than they can get elsewhere. But no, no, you're right, I have no evidence :roll:

Classic.....

 

[POPEYE]

This.

Smith very nearly became a Titan in 2007 from memory. A deal with Foxtell was the reason he stayed.
And that's money that other teams didn't have to offer.

Sorry POPEYE, but you and I just don't see eye to eye on this one.
Yes, the storm managed to identify some excellent young talent.
What they did to to keep it voids all they achieved, and they were punished accordingly.

At least those who are offering a different opinion to mine in this thread are doing it man to man which is all that is necessary in a forum. Like everyone else with a strong opinion on something I admit that I have reservations that I don't want to believe. In some people it's naivity, in others it's jealousy but in most it's just plain stubborness.

Seems concessions are wanted from me on this subject so here they are.

Melbourne were caught breaking the rules and if they weren't punished as they were the game could have suffered a serious credibility problem.
In a game where 16 teams are trying to compete and only half a dozen can afford to buy a premiership there must be rules preventing it.

What I won't concede is that Melbourne has the only three players in the competition too good to want to stay at their club no matter what they're offered elsewhere.
Nor will I concede that players that are brought to fruition by a club don't owe that club more than just loyalty . . . if I did I would have to concede that League doesn't need coaches.
Most of all I won't concede that because one club got caught the game can rest easy. When the people who know what they're doing get caught I will convert to christianity.

This subject has been pretty well exhausted and like everyone else I don't come here to have my opinions changed but just shared. I'm willing to discuss anything else if anyone's interested

 

[POPEYE]

By all accounts it should be cakewalk for Melbourne at AAMI. Wonder if Des thinks his team will lose or more importantly if the players think Des will be understanding if they lose. I expect the Dogs to improve consistently once Hasler gets his way. #4's on either team interest me. One's a discard from who else but the Eels and the other born again.

Seagles with tits could be the end result at Brookie. Titans just an ornament, making up the numbers, treading water, biding their time, etc etc . . . what a turnup it would be to see them win. Wishful thinking maybe but every Titans win is worth double that of any other team so surely the incentive is there.

Roosters are c**k-a-hoop once more and if the Cowboys are forced to play with 40% of the ball again there's no reason Smith shouldn't fumble his way to a win. I'm expecting the Cowboys to appreciate the lesson by Melbourne on how to control a ball. If they don't they will be demoralised by a bird that struggles to get off the ground

 

[Loudstrat]

Reading Pops random thoughts is like spending an hour in the dementure unit of a nursing home. Stupid moron cannot stick to a topic.

And I wish you'd learn what a redneck is you genius.

 

[AuDragon]

Geriatric fight! :lol:

 

[Loudstrat]

Where?

 

[AuDragon]

Where?

It's a bad sign when you can't remember the fights you get in...

 

[Loudstrat]

There are plenty here that are older than me sunshine.

Actually it's a bad sign if you cant remember what team you support when you invent your user nic.

 

[AuDragon]

There are plenty here that are older than me sunshine.

Actually it's a bad sign if you cant remember what team you support when you invent your user nic.

If you say so darling.
Although... I can only think of Pops and Gale Farce.

I do support a Dragons team btw, just not the NRL one. ;-)

 

[POPEYE]

No matter where you go in this forum it seems gumboots must be worn

 

[Desert Qlder]

Shane Flanagan is making it so difficult to hate Cronulla, when it came so easy when they were under Stuart.

Perhaps we should have seen the turnaround in their fortunes looking at Flanagan's credentials, for he's served quite a coaching apprenticeship. At Cronulla, he's made some judicious personnel changes, with the recruitment of Carney has been a masterstroke. That's been a great surprise to me, because when I watched Carney last year he was hopelessly disinterested.

Flanagan has built the success of the club on defense, which is what all great coaches should do. One can't help be impressed when a individuals in a team go to any lengths not to let the comrades down. St. George-Illawarra maintained that during their premiership run, and now the Sharks are displaying similar starch. They sure as hell strangled the life out of the Cowboys.

I'll be intrigued as to how their attack develops however. If they wish to be there when the whips are cracking in September, then they'll need to add a few tricks to the bag. Should Flanagan get his side playing with any sort of flair, then we may see the foundation of a long and successful coaching career.

 

[POPEYE]

Shane Flanagan is making it so difficult to hate Cronulla, when it came so easy when they were under Stuart.

Perhaps we should have seen the turnaround in their fortunes looking at Flanagan's credentials, for he's served quite a coaching apprenticeship. At Cronulla, he's made some judicious personnel changes, with the recruitment of Carney has been a masterstroke. That's been a great surprise to me, because when I watched Carney last year he was hopelessly disinterested.

Flanagan has built the success of the club on defense, which is what all great coaches should do. One can't help be impressed when a individuals in a team go to any lengths not to let the comrades down. St. George-Illawarra maintained that during their premiership run, and now the Sharks are displaying similar starch. They sure as hell strangled the life out of the Cowboys.

I'll be intrigued as to how their attack develops however. If they wish to be there when the whips are cracking in September, then they'll need to add a few tricks to the bag. Should Flanagan get his side playing with any sort of flair, then we may see the foundation of a long and successful coaching career.

Why would anyone want to hate Cronulla. They've been waiting so long for a trophy surely they can't be denied a chance. Flanagan has seen how it's done, he's just got to get it done. All they've got to do this year is frighten the shit out of every team. Next year will be the vinegar stroke . . . no excuses after that

 

[POPEYE]

Reading Pops random thoughts is like spending an hour in the dementure unit of a nursing home. Stupid moron cannot stick to a topic.

And I wish you'd learn what a redneck is you genius.

Why are you here waiting for me to towel you up. Haven't you got to help dig a mass grave in Parramatta Park . . . not scared of getting your hands dirty

 

[POPEYE]

What a great night. Brian Smith at his brightest taking a home game to the land of heat against a team born to it. Why wouldn't he take a team like the Raiders or Storm to Darwin.

Hasler came away with as good as a win against the Storm. Impressive performance by the Dogs indeed. Melbourne may have been a little off but C-B proved they're on the rise. Match of the round so far.

That turnup I talked about at Brookie turned up. Couldn't have been a better result for the Titans or the Manly haters. Highlight of the game was seeing Matai on his arse waiting for a penalty that never came. He did however take the opportunity to desert ship after being hit with a powder puff . . . can't blame him for the scoreline now

 

[no name]

Do you really think it was up to Brian Smith which game was taken to Darwin?

 

[StormHi]

Bellamy has done it already....ffs

They weren't rorting the cap when Bellyache first put that team together. They were a bunch of discards that no-one else wanted (Broncos didn't want...sigh)

So he couldn't turn a pack of pea hearts re: NSW team into a winning combination. He can hardly be blamed for that. He's not GOD. Not even Gould wanted to work with the lot Bellamy had.

He is a very good coach and only a moron would deny that he wasn't

Fourex I know I give you shit but goddamn I love you for that post