Redneck Redfaces

[POPEYE]

I'd always wondered why I was born with a belt on. Dad always said it was to put 'redneck notches on' so it all makes sense now

What made you change to the dark side . . . dad will be disappointed you didn't follow the path of righteousness

 

[Hutty1986]

Sorry pops, i'm just pissin' in the wind

 

[POPEYE]

Sorry pops, i'm just pissin' in the wind

Come back when you want to chat about something that would interest us both

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Good luck Mr Gap tooth.

 

[Hutty1986]

Its the Terry Derpese fan club!

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Anyone who can't offer an opinion without being abusive, derogatory or belittling to anyone with a differing opinion is my version of a 'redneck'.

So does this mean you're a redneck? I thought if you were a notch on your own belt you go blind!

A forum should be considered a place of sharing and comparing. Anonimity is no excuse for the lack of being able to speak face to face,

I respect good coaching, no argument there. I just think it's an unusual facet of the game to focus on so completely to the virtual exclusion of the players themselves.

For example, i would find it very odd for a 2008 Broncos fan to become a Dragons fan for three years then start following Newcastle. Likewise for a Storm fan and Bellamys' next club (if he moves, unlikely as it may seem)

You also spend a great deal of time stating that winning the NRL premiership is of little value compared to winning the JJ Giltinan shield. I agree that the minor premiers deserve recognition for being the best during the home and away season, and a spot on the shield can only go to one team a year. Title hard earned!

However, I see the finals as an exercise in which teams and individual players get tested in order to find the next level, the extra something that can lift them past the team on top of the ladder, and if said minor premier can respond in kind. It is a pressure test that the regular season can rarely provide, and shouldn't be dismissed so flippantly.

You hold it as something of little worth, and most here are well aware of your viewpoint, so let it have a spell on the bench for a bit, eh?

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Good luck Mr Gap tooth.

Its the Terry Derpese fan club!

LOL silly me I meant to post that in the Dean Young retirement thread.

 

[POPEYE]

So does this mean you're a redneck? I thought if you were a notch on your own belt you go blind!



I respect good coaching, no argument there. I just think it's an unusual facet of the game to focus on so completely to the virtual exclusion of the players themselves.

For example, i would find it very odd for a 2008 Broncos fan to become a Dragons fan for three years then start following Newcastle. Likewise for a Storm fan and Bellamys' next club (if he moves, unlikely as it may seem)

You also spend a great deal of time stating that winning the NRL premiership is of little value compared to winning the JJ Giltinan shield. I agree that the minor premiers deserve recognition for being the best during the home and away season, and a spot on the shield can only go to one team a year. Title hard earned!

However, I see the finals as an exercise in which teams and individual players get tested in order to find the next level, the extra something that can lift them past the team on top of the ladder, and if said minor premier can respond in kind. It is a pressure test that the regular season can rarely provide, and shouldn't be dismissed so flippantly.

You hold it as something of little worth, and most here are well aware of your viewpoint, so let it have a spell on the bench for a bit, eh?

You started off badly by accusing me of initiating abuse when I have only ever retaliated. If I was not such a hard nose I would leave it at two wrongs not making a right. The rest of your post is a breath of fresh air . . . exactly what I'm looking for.

I believe everything I say basically but in order to keep the upper hand in the unfortunate dogfight associated with posting here I accentuate more than need be . . . and it is tiring

So, to answer your post in a realistic manner. I do follow the Storm. Only because from day 1 they might have had financial backing but nevertheless were expected to fail. I love a scrapper. If they were to employ a coach that couldn't maintain what they've achieved I would lose interest in them.

I am disappointed in the way the best team of the year is recognised but in truth there is a need to finish the season off with a bang. I get my back up when no-one can see that we can have our cake and eat it too. The only reason players put so much emphasis on winning the grand final is because it's all they've got. Why the wiinners of the Shield can't be premiers and the Cup be a contest between the top 8 to show who could win in a different format. Two bites for supporters and media.

Any team that wins either because of coaching is alright by me. Coaches make players . . . not the other way round. I'm not interested in wasting a year following one team with one eye closed. A Sharks/Rabbitohs grand final would be a perfect 2012 for me because that would mean we have 2 more potential supercoaches.

Not my fault that all teams will have to embrace the game the way the Storm do if they want to win 80% of their games. It all comes down to discipline which circumvents player shortcomings. Discipline has made Melbourne's big three and Bellamy is the best disciplinarian in the game.

You have your opinion and now you have mine . . . not about right or wrong but expressing amiably

 

[POPEYE]

Wonder if Alfie Langer should be included in the cap. Always on the field when the Broncos are in the opposition half and his bright blue shirt can be seen jogging in the side of the field the ball should go. Instead of Lockyer the dummy half looks for Alfie.

If the Raiders can turn 4 into 6 they might give Brisbane a fright. Now the Broncos have reached puberty specific roles are surfacing. Teo and Gillette appear to be growing into enforcers and Ben will be missed against the big green

 

[no name]

Why the wiinners of the Shield can't be premiers and the Cup be a contest between the top 8 to show who could win in a different format. Two bites for supporters and media.

Ummm, isn't that what we have now?
As long as there is Origin and mid season tests, the GF winner will always be celebrated more than the regular season premiers.

 

[POPEYE]

Ummm, isn't that what we have now?
As long as there is Origin and mid season tests, the GF winner will always be celebrated more than the regular season premiers.

If you're satisfied with that so be it. I believe there should be two distinct competitions, two lots of razmatazz, two trophies of no less than equal worth, two chances for supporters to have 12 months to crow, and more importantly, many more players being recognised adequately after a long hard season.

Good to talk to you . . . wasn't that hard was it

 

[Ozzy]

If you're satisfied with that so be it. I believe there should be two distinct competitions, two lots of razmatazz, two trophies of no less than equal worth, two chances for supporters to have 12 months to crow, and more importantly, many more players being recognised adequately after a long hard season.

Good to talk to you . . . wasn't that hard was it

The answer to why the system is set up with the finals is simple. It contains one word - money. I would like to see the minor premiers get a bit more recognition.

 

[POPEYE]

The answer to why the system is set up with the finals is simple. It contains one word - money. I would like to see the minor premiers get a bit more recognition.

Agree totally. How about this scenario. Season ends and there's a week off for the Premiers who during that time have a fairdinkum Shield presentation combined with a press conference, auto parade, home ground meet the fans day or whatever else that maximises publicity for the game and sponsors.

There's also the build up in the media surrounding the upcoming Cup in which teams qualify by finishing in the top 8 of the Shield. All have equal status and a more equitable system of how teams are eliminated could be devised.

After the Cup is won we again have another set of celebrations and more money to be made. A win win surely is better than a win, especially if more supporters are satisfied with a season. There's no reason why placegetters in each competition can't be recognised with something as well.

 

[POPEYE]

Last week's game was notable for Benny and he has announced that Mullen is ready for Origin because of his performance in it. The Knights have turned the corner it seems. I'm a bit dubious however.

Never been a fan of Mullen at Origin level and even though he impressed against Moi Moi's attempt at steamrolling it was against probably the worst team performance we'll see in '12. Dragons should be a yardstick to the Knights early season tonight

 

[eozsmiles]

If you're satisfied with that so be it. I believe there should be two distinct competitions, two lots of razmatazz, two trophies of no less than equal worth, two chances for supporters to have 12 months to crow, and more importantly, many more players being recognised adequately after a long hard season.

Good to talk to you . . . wasn't that hard was it

I think the "first past the post" style of comp is better suited to leagues with promotion and relegation. The real prizes are finding out where you will play next year, not the trophy.
Id rather not see a comp decided on the back of a single mismatch. As much as pot luck will play a role in any competition, I'd hate to see a team run 2nd on for and against when they suffered the unfortunate luck of playing more games on wet ground or in inclement weather than their competitors. Or when another team has a lovely run against weak teams suffering serious injuries. Or if a team has a notoriously low scoring ground as their home base, somewhere that the wind blows and the goal kickers are no hope.
It could also lead to a situation where a team could be crowned premiers without beating another top 4 team. Lose to the other 3 teams at the top and you get 21 wins and 2 byes = 46 points, plenty to win a minor premiership. But probably a bit unsatisfactory to fans who want to see the best beat the best.
Besides all this, fans simply like finals. I suppose that is why they have the Olympic games. Get the best in one spot and have them compete. Otherwise they could just all run 100m in random places and compare the times.

 

[Nice Beaver]

So, to answer your post in a realistic manner. I do follow the Storm. Only because from day 1 they might have had financial backing but nevertheless were expected to fail. I love a scrapper. If they were to employ a coach that couldn't maintain what they've achieved I would lose interest in them.

With all due respect, I have to laugh at your idea of a scrapper.

A team that had the ENDLESS financial backing of one of the biggest listed companies in the world would hardly put them in a catergory of "scrappers". Geographical location does not make you a scrapper.

Unfortunately, they will forever be remembered as cheats and any team that cheats cannot be considered "scrappers" in my opinion.

A team like the Sharks that has foverever and a day been under financial stress and playing in the competition under the salary cap is a scrapper. Not a souless, cheating club with a bottomless pit of money at their disposal.

 

[POPEYE]

I think the "first past the post" style of comp is better suited to leagues with promotion and relegation. The real prizes are finding out where you will play next year, not the trophy.
Id rather not see a comp decided on the back of a single mismatch. As much as pot luck will play a role in any competition, I'd hate to see a team run 2nd on for and against when they suffered the unfortunate luck of playing more games on wet ground or in inclement weather than their competitors. Or when another team has a lovely run against weak teams suffering serious injuries. Or if a team has a notoriously low scoring ground as their home base, somewhere that the wind blows and the goal kickers are no hope.
It could also lead to a situation where a team could be crowned premiers without beating another top 4 team. Lose to the other 3 teams at the top and you get 21 wins and 2 byes = 46 points, plenty to win a minor premiership. But probably a bit unsatisfactory to fans who want to see the best beat the best.
Besides all this, fans simply like finals. I suppose that is why they have the Olympic games. Get the best in one spot and have them compete. Otherwise they could just all run 100m in random places and compare the times.

I'm not a fan of changing much just recognising more. We have to put up with teams not being able to play each other twice in the regular season but that is matched by inequity in the final series as it now stands. Really the end of the year in League is poorly handled all round.

The Cup should be played in substantial stadiums entirely. Home ground should only be considered in Shield games. Keeping advantage to a minimum in an entirely different format such as the Cup should be a priority.

Say a team like Cronulla goes through 26 rounds winning every one of it's games by 1 point. Although all it's player resources have been stretched to breaking point it still has finished top of the ladder by for and against. A super achievement in anyone's books. Recognise them accordingly.

When the Sharks turn up for the Cup they may be exhausted by loss of players and have little hope of competing with better equipped teams. Should they have run dead in the last few rounds of the regular season and sheltered their players in an attempt to win the only recognised trophy we now have.

By doing that they may have let other teams into the finals by beating them that don't deserve to be in the 8. It's not a matter of my denegrating the worth of the grand final. To me it's a matter of disregarding the effort that players have to make throughout the season

 

[POPEYE]

With all due respect, I have to laugh at your idea of a scrapper.

A team that had the ENDLESS financial backing of one of the biggest listed companies in the world would hardly put them in a catergory of "scrappers". Geographical location does not make you a scrapper.

Unfortunately, they will forever be remembered as cheats and any team that cheats cannot be considered "scrappers" in my opinion.

A team like the Sharks that has foverever and a day been under financial stress and playing in the competition under the salary cap is a scrapper. Not a souless, cheating club with a bottomless pit of money at their disposal.

I disagree. Money doesn't help when you're standing toe to toe. A team is sent where it is expected to ruffle the feathers of another code that operates in a vaccuum such as Victoria, but at the same time is given little hope, performs way and beyond.

With the money available to it that team could have bought the best positional players from every other team and thereby destroying any achievement associated with having performed in a hostile environment.

Not only did that team not poach players from any team that wanted to keep them but after a settling in period it preferred to offer unknown coaches an opportunity who in turn created its own superstars.

Not sure how you define soul but the Melbourne Storm have more soul than any other team in the comp imo

 

[Nice Beaver]

I disagree. Money doesn't help when you're standing toe to toe.

:lol::lol: Bullshit.

Without money (ie deliberately going over the cap with these unlimited funds available) they had a team that would not have been on the paddock had they adhered to the same salary cap as 15 other teams.

How can money not have an effect when the very players who are standing "toe to toe" would not be there?

Not sure how you define soul but the Melbourne Storm have more soul than any other team in the comp imo

:lol::lol:

More soul than any other team in the comp????? Righto, that'll do me.

More areSOLES than any other team perhaps........

 

[POPEYE]

:lol::lol: Bullshit.

Without money (ie deliberately going over the cap with these unlimited funds available) they had a team that would not have been on the paddock had they adhered to the same salary cap as 15 other teams.

How can money not have an effect when the very players who are standing "toe to toe" would not be there?



:lol::lol:

More soul than any other team in the comp????? Righto, that'll do me.

More areSOLES than any other team perhaps........

You and I clearly have a different set of values even if you could prove any Storm player would have left the team for more money