Reece Robson Leaving

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Exibit A

Millward = Director of Pathways - I'd say that falls into the category of Manager.​

Exibit B

You are using Garrick as an example of where we are poor at 'pathways'. I just continued that discussion. My point is that Garrick is a poor example. I also stated I didn't watch the last game and I mentioned his performances with us. Far from 'no latitude'.
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How do you know?



My thoughts on these players and their retention/opportunities is document elsewhere. I'm not going to repeat them.



It would have been in his contract. He breached his contract and we let him go. Just as Raiders would have and just as every team does when a player does something outside of their contract. Dugan and Packer were new contracts and I am guessing they would have had the same clauses in theirs and we would have done the same thing had they breached them. It's a poor example and doesn't fit with the point you are apparently trying to make.



I don't think I have. I don't think everything is good, but I just don't like to twist every action the club takes into a negative view.

I respect the trouble you've gone to to support your position.
But it is argument for argument's sake.
You still miss the main point of my post.

 

[LINESPEED]

Your constant biased bashing of Millward is laughable, no matter who he wants to sign up again, they will not sign if they're not given a chance, doesnt matter if he gives an extra $50k at him he was going, played 1/2 a game in a trial match and that was it sure he didnt play flash but doesnt get a look in again, same as Robson, Field these guys WANT to play 1st grade, they would take less to go play at another club, no matter what , there is no doubt Millward has farked up with Aitken/Lafai etc but to constantly blame him for everything is absurd...[/QUO
Yes I remember Millward stating very clearly 2 years ago that Field was to be the Club’s long term fullback - and he doesn’t seem to me to be roadblock to the progression of juniors.

So many are brought to the cusp, only to be shafted & fuc*ed up by the intransigent Waterboy dullard.

We cede the NRL with our juniors & have the best nursery in the NRL.

So much potential to be the top Club again if the administrative parochialism, incompetence & nepotism can be cast aside.

PS
FMD how Garrick must be hoping he hasn’t got to play outside Aitken at Manly

 

[Coffs dragon]

I can only assume that if Robson departs to sign with the Bulldogs then he is desperate to escape the clutches of McAnchor. The Dogs look a mess & cellar dwellers under a similar coach (great former club legend/player & a below average uninspiring coach)
I know money talks, but he must be desperate to leave.

 

[possm]

Exibit A

Millward = Director of Pathways - I'd say that falls into the category of Manager.​

Exibit B

You are using Garrick as an example of where we are poor at 'pathways'. I just continued that discussion. My point is that Garrick is a poor example. I also stated I didn't watch the last game and I mentioned his performances with us. Far from 'no latitude'.
​

How do you know?



My thoughts on these players and their retention/opportunities is document elsewhere. I'm not going to repeat them.



It would have been in his contract. He breached his contract and we let him go. Just as Raiders would have and just as every team does when a player does something outside of their contract. Dugan and Packer were new contracts and I am guessing they would have had the same clauses in theirs and we would have done the same thing had they breached them. It's a poor example and doesn't fit with the point you are apparently trying to make.



I don't think I have. I don't think everything is good, but I just don't like to twist every action the club takes into a negative view.

So did Mary breach his contract when found guilty of DUI?

 

[possm]

Yes I remember Millard stating very clearly 2 years ago that Field was to be the Club’s long term fullback - and he doesn’t seem to me to be roadblock to the progression of juniors.

So many are brought to the cusp, only to be shafted & fuc*ed up by the intransigent Waterboy dullard.

We cede the NRL with our juniors & have the best nursery in the NRL.

So much potential to be the top Club again if the administrative parochialism, incompetence & nepotism can be cast aside.

PS
FMD how Garrick must be hoping he hasn’t got to play outside Aitken at Manly

I'd say if we had Brown as coach for the last couple of years, we would have a backline with many SGI juniors. Same goes if we had JD as coach.

 

[possm]

I can only assume that if Robson departs to sign with the Bulldogs then he is desperate to escape the clutches of McAnchor. The Dogs look a mess & cellar dwellers under a similar coach (great former club legend/player & a below average uninspiring coach)
I know money talks, but he must be desperate to leave.

Widdop should be released and Lomax, Robson and Field should be given two year extensions.

 

[Walpole]

How high in $ terms would you have gone to secure Oates's signature to play wing for us?

Whatever one of the top 3 or 4 wingers in the comp is worth. More than any of our current numbers 2-5 anyway. Supposedly the Eels are paying Blake Ferguson 500k a season so around that mark sounds fair.

 

[True_Believer]

I respect the trouble you've gone to to support your position.
But it is argument for argument's sake.
You still miss the main point of my post.

Lol OK.

Your main point is that we treat them differently and don't handle their progress into first grade the same as other teams.

I'm saying Millward plays his role in the recruitment and retention and does a reasonable job - not perfect, but reasonable. And that was in response to the comment I quoted.

I got your point and I have discussed my views elsewhere on the coaching staff and how they handle players. I'm just suggesting that some of the examples you use to support your argument are poor.

 

[True_Believer]

So did Mary breach his contract when found guilty of DUI?

Valid point however it's probably a bit different to spousal abuse and being found guilty of domestic violence.

Besides, I think we all agree in here that Mary's coaching is the problem. And we all agree he seems to lead a charmed existence in the club.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Lol OK.

Your main point is that we treat them differently and don't handle their progress into first grade the same as other teams.

I'm saying Millward plays his role in the recruitment and retention and does a reasonable job - not perfect, but reasonable. And that was in response to the comment I quoted.

I got your point and I have discussed my views elsewhere on the coaching staff and how they handle players. I'm just suggesting that some of the examples you use to support your argument are poor.

OK TB
Let me spell out what you missed then you can have the last word, I promise.
While you keep talking about pathways and Millward, I am pointing the finger at McGregor because decisions such as persisting with Aitkin at the expense of Lomax is McGregor's decision.
The decision not to play Robson is McGregor's decision.
One of the key roles that the Head Coach has is to mentor and improve younger players. It is a huge responsibility but at this club, McGregor has failed in this responsibility.
One of the consequences if that young players get discouraged, their form slips and lose any hope of getting a chance in FG.
Millward had nothing to do with those decisions. Nothing to do with "Pathways" (=Millward)
These were 100% McGregor because McGregor feels more comfortable selecting experienced, older players.
My comparison with Melbourne is totally relevant because Bellamy has demonstrated over and over again, how to manage a squad of players as a mentor and as a coach.
Not once in this discussion have I ever mentioned Millward (until now) and whether he's doing a good job or not yet you keep defending him which is not even part of my argument.
I think you have your nose out of joint because your arguments have been shown up to be hollow.
As I said, argument for argument's sake.

 

[True_Believer]

*sigh*

OK TB
Let me spell out what you missed then you can have the last word, I promise.
While you keep talking about pathways and Millward, I am pointing the finger at McGregor because decisions such as persisting with Aitkin at the expense of Lomax is McGregor's decision.
The decision not to play Robson is McGregor's decision.
One of the key roles that the Head Coach has is to mentor and improve younger players. It is a huge responsibility but at this club, McGregor has failed in this responsibility.
One of the consequences if that young players get discouraged, their form slips and lose any hope of getting a chance in FG.
Millward had nothing to do with those decisions. Nothing to do with "Pathways" (=Millward)
These were 100% McGregor because McGregor feels more comfortable selecting experienced, older players.
My comparison with Melbourne is totally relevant because Bellamy has demonstrated over and over again, how to manage a squad of players as a mentor and as a coach.
Not once in this discussion have I ever mentioned Millward (until now) and whether he's doing a good job or not yet you keep defending him which is not even part of my argument.
I think you have your nose out of joint because your arguments have been shown up to be hollow.
As I said, argument for argument's sake.

I got your point and I have discussed my views elsewhere on the coaching staff and how they handle players. I'm just suggesting that some of the examples you use to support your argument are poor.

 

[Slippery Morris]

I am not a McGregor fan but can't understand what else Mary can do in regards to Robson. He has McInness who is a 80 minute player and was next cab off the rank to take the NSW hooking position, that is how good his form was and still is. He was one of the few they played well. Mary currently has 2 quality 9's and you can't just drop 1 even though his form is good just for a young guy with potential? 1 has to go and unfortunately at this stage it looks like it is Robson. Millward or Mary can't convince him to sit and wait for injury? Lets face it, if McInnes gets injured Hunt will slot in there anyway so Robson has no choice.

Only choice he needs to make is the club to go to and if it is the Dogs it will ruin him like they did Liccha. Liccha was absolutely killing it in junior footy and Sharks were devastated he left them. He was the next big thing (like Robbo is now) and look what happened to him? And he had Hasler as coach most of his time at the Dogs. If I was Robson I would go to the Eels. They look short there or even Tigers as this is Farrah's last year and they don't have much stock in that position. Liddle was there last year but nothing special. Robson will easily get ahead of him.

 

[BennyV]

I am not a McGregor fan but can't understand what else Mary can do in regards to Robson. He has McInness who is a 80 minute player and was next cab off the rank to take the NSW hooking position, that is how good his form was and still is. He was one of the few they played well. Mary currently has 2 quality 9's and you can't just drop 1 even though his form is good just for a young guy with potential? 1 has to go and unfortunately at this stage it looks like it is Robson. Millward or Mary can't convince him to sit and wait for injury? Lets face it, if McInnes gets injured Hunt will slot in there anyway so Robson has no choice.

Only choice he needs to make is the club to go to and if it is the Dogs it will ruin him like they did Liccha. Liccha was absolutely killing it in junior footy and Sharks were devastated he left them. He was the next big thing (like Robbo is now) and look what happened to him? And he had Hasler as coach most of his time at the Dogs. If I was Robson I would go to the Eels. They look short there or even Tigers as this is Farrah's last year and they don't have much stock in that position. Liddle was there last year but nothing special. Robson will easily get ahead of him.

What are you on about?

While McInnes can play 80 minutes when needed, his effectiveness over the course of the game and the season drops when he has to do this long term, as shown by the reduction in his running over the course of a season. His, and the teams, effectiveness would increase if he was spelled for 20 minutes a game with an actual hooker who provides a point of difference.

On top of that, we do NOT need a back on the bench. Very few successful coaching do this, and the insane desire to keep Dufty on the bench is denying Robson a meaningful spot. It is useless, pointless and detrimental to the teams performance and Robson’s development.

TL;DR - you are wrong, Mary is an idiot, Robson should be a mainstay in our Top 17.

 

[Frank Facer]

Whatever one of the top 3 or 4 wingers in the comp is worth. More than any of our current numbers 2-5 anyway. Supposedly the Eels are paying Blake Ferguson 500k a season so around that mark sounds fair.

I knew there were some pretty big offers for Oates at the end of last season. I just found a Foxsports article saying that Oates knocked back offers of 600K a year plus to stay at Brisbane. 600K a year is a lot to pay a winger, but that still wasn't enough to entice him.

500K a year for Fergo would have been alright.

Here is the Foxsports article

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...s/news-story/9f24f20663808a0ae95b1511b8269014

 

[hewi]

$500 grand for Fergo was a steal, so far he’s doing better than Norman.

 

[Drakon]

Watched the highlights of Wests vs Penrith from year 2000 on Foxtel tonight. I was struck with how Craig Gower really reminded me of Robson!

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

Summary- We need Robson and should make room for him in our 17.
I'd be prepared to lose a winger / centre, in return of keeping him in 17.
Keep Lomax but I'd rather Robson over Rava, Lafai, just for starters.
Robson can tackle.
Robson adds another attacking dimension.
Robson is a 'must keep'.

 

[muzby]

Robson is a 'must keep'.

The quotation marks mean it’s a false statement..

 

[nrlnrl]

What are you on about?

While McInnes can play 80 minutes when needed, his effectiveness over the course of the game and the season drops when he has to do this long term, as shown by the reduction in his running over the course of a season. His, and the teams, effectiveness would increase if he was spelled for 20 minutes a game with an actual hooker who provides a point of difference.

On top of that, we do NOT need a back on the bench. Very few successful coaching do this, and the insane desire to keep Dufty on the bench is denying Robson a meaningful spot. It is useless, pointless and detrimental to the teams performance and Robson’s development.

TL;DR - you are wrong, Mary is an idiot, Robson should be a mainstay in our Top 17.

Plus other forwards were driven into the ground over the past 2 seasons. It almost seems like a badge of honour to play as many minutes as you can. However, that system won't win you a premiership.

 

[possm]

I am not a McGregor fan but can't understand what else Mary can do in regards to Robson. He has McInness who is a 80 minute player and was next cab off the rank to take the NSW hooking position, that is how good his form was and still is. He was one of the few they played well. Mary currently has 2 quality 9's and you can't just drop 1 even though his form is good just for a young guy with potential? 1 has to go and unfortunately at this stage it looks like it is Robson. Millward or Mary can't convince him to sit and wait for injury? Lets face it, if McInnes gets injured Hunt will slot in there anyway so Robson has no choice.

Only choice he needs to make is the club to go to and if it is the Dogs it will ruin him like they did Liccha. Liccha was absolutely killing it in junior footy and Sharks were devastated he left them. He was the next big thing (like Robbo is now) and look what happened to him? And he had Hasler as coach most of his time at the Dogs. If I was Robson I would go to the Eels. They look short there or even Tigers as this is Farrah's last year and they don't have much stock in that position. Liddle was there last year but nothing special. Robson will easily get ahead of him.

McInnes stays on the field for 80min and tackles like a demon for the whole game however, he does get tired and throws the odd forward pass, sometimes takes too long to get off a player and does not run from dummy half at the back end of each half during a game.

So a rotation with Robson who could also play back row (just like Dean Young) in my opinion would not be a negative move in any way at all. In fact to have a backup hooker of Robson's calibre could only be a good thing.