Ref Watch 2014 (aka the Skeepe Thread)

[bileduct]

If they must persist with the two referee system then there has to be a clear separation of responsibilities. The pocket referee should only call ruck infringements, the other referee should be responsible for keeping the 10 and calling offside penalties.

There is way too much "milking, milking, milking" from one ref, penalty blown by other ref bullshit going on.

 

[POPEYE]

Said it once, said it a thousand times . . . one referee and show them videos of how Englishman Richard Silverwood does it.

Maybe he would have given Cronulla's last try as an 8 point one. . . purposely tackling around the legs in mid air is foul play

 

[insert.pause]

Bunker is the obvious solution to get consistency around video ref decisions.

One referee, one voice, heard half as often.

Responsibility on players to know the rules and obey them, no more of this coaching rubbish to avoid blowing penalties, players know the rules and they know the refs will baby them and they exploit it.

 

[Parra]

Let the ref who made the call be the one who reviews the video.

 

[gypsy]

I think its fair to say that the men in pink stink. Some with tinfoil hats will suggest they are cheating, others will say they are just inconsistent. Others will say they're blind merkins who should be taken out the back and shot.

On the other side of the coin they have the toughest job in the game and obviously need assistance to improve.

So what are the solutions? A complete review of the rules to take away grey areas? A 'war' room for all video referrals? Go back to one ref? A process to bring more ex players into the ranks? Ask Mitsubishi industries to construct a Refbot?

Discuss.

Nice thread fail, bro

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Please stop stalking me gimp.

 

[thorson1987]

Is the Referee Solution similar to The Final Solution?

 

[eozsmiles]

Said it once, said it a thousand times . . . one referee and show them videos of how Englishman Richard Silverwood does it.

Maybe he would have given Cronulla's last try as an 8 point one. . . purposely tackling around the legs in mid air is foul play

You can legally tackle an attacking player while they are in the air, so long as it isn't high of course.

 

[thorson1987]

You can legally tackle an attacking player while they are in the air, so long as it isn't high of course.

And they aren't put into a dangerous position.

To me it's a stupid rule. Either make it legal in attack and defence or illegal in both. Not legal in defence but illegal in attack.

 

[The EELiminator]

Responsibility on players to know the rules and obey them, no more of this coaching rubbish to avoid blowing penalties, players know the rules and they know the refs will baby them and they exploit it.

fully agree i think we should bring in a 5 minute sin bin for minor infractions so refs can still punish players but the time doesnt outweigh the crime

 

[cleary89]

And they aren't put into a dangerous position.

To me it's a stupid rule. Either make it legal in attack and defence or illegal in both. Not legal in defence but illegal in attack.

How do you stop someone scoring a try from a bomb then?

 

[Parra]

How do you stop someone scoring a try from a bomb then?

Would be about the best rule league could ever invent.

 

[DURRRHURRR]

I wish the video refs would just check on the things the on field ref requests. If he says check grounding, just check grounding. Don't bother with off side, obstruction or anything else.

I can't see why the ref can't express an opinion on every aspect of the try that might be in question. E.g 'I think the player was offside, the contest was fine no obstruction, im fine with the grounding'. Instead its 'No Try check offside' If the offside is fine but no footage of the grounding the try will not be given.

 

[POPEYE]

How do you stop someone scoring a try from a bomb then?

Ask Waterhouse what the odds would be of stopping a try tackling a player in the air around the thighs, especially when it's one on one. The tackler's only sensible choice was waiting to the bloke landed and either steal the ball or wrap it up. Foul play is foul play, excusing it by being lost in the moment is f**king bullshit . . . the player got up gingerly, Greg Bird would have writhed around in agony

 

[thorson1987]

How do you stop someone scoring a try from a bomb then?

Teams managed to do it when it was the rule.

 

[LineBall]

fully agree i think we should bring in a 5 minute sin bin for minor infractions so refs can still punish players but the time doesnt outweigh the crime

I'd like to see anything deemed worthy of put on report a 5 minute bin as well. Second reportable offence by the same player should be 10 minutes.

 

[Vic Mackey]

I'd like to see anything deemed worthy of put on report a 5 minute bin as well. Second reportable offence by the same player should be 10 minutes.

Whilst I agree in theory, I think it would be hard to say that starlings 'crusher' on keary (which was a complete joke even to be penalised) and tagatese's lifting tackle on neilson should recieve the same penalty. I'd want them to be much more stringent with what they place on report if everything resulted in a 5 min sin bin.

 

[LineBall]

Whilst I agree in theory, I think it would be hard to say that starlings 'crusher' on keary (which was a complete joke even to be penalised) and tagatese's lifting tackle on neilson should recieve the same penalty. I'd want them to be much more stringent with what they place on report if everything resulted in a 5 min sin bin.

I agree. Again it comes down to the competence of the referee's. I would prefer that they didn't place anything on report, and just penalise the players as they see fit, and the match review committee can go over the game and cite players on incidents. Even better would be for the video ref to not interfere in foul play. If the ref missed it - too bad. Would probably stop players staying down too, as the only reason they do it now is for the video ref to check the tackle.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

I think an overhaul of the whole "on report" thing is well overdue. Basically any penalty for foul play goes on report, regardless of how bad it is. Which probably goes back to the fact that I believe the on-field ref can only act on a video ref's tip if the incident is deemed bad enough to go on report.

If anything that went "on-report" incurred 5 mins in the bin, and it remained that the video ref could only tip off the on-field refs for incidents deemed "reportable", it would clean up the game immensely as there would be much less time wasting/diving, because the refs wouldn't want a game of 11 v 12.

 

[LineBall]

I think an overhaul of the whole "on report" thing is well overdue. Basically any penalty for foul play goes on report, regardless of how bad it is. Which probably goes back to the fact that I believe the on-field ref can only act on a video ref's tip if the incident is deemed bad enough to go on report.

If anything that went "on-report" incurred 5 mins in the bin, and it remained that the video ref could only tip off the on-field refs for incidents deemed "reportable", it would clean up the game immensely as there would be much less time wasting/diving, because the refs wouldn't want a game of 11 v 12.

This is the only bit I don't agree with. The refs shouldn't be concerned about ruining the game by binning players or sending them off. They are already too hesitant to do this because the public cries foul about how it robs them of an even contest.