Ref Watch 2014 (aka the Skeepe Thread)

[I Bleed Maroon]

Welp, this thread is about to get real busy. I hope JT goes off like a nuke.

 

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Bunker idea is the only way we will get any consistency in video ref decisions, and even then I have my doubts.

 

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Players and coaches don't help matters either when they coach to exploit obstruction and players take dives when they can't stop the ball, knowing the try may be denied.

 

[Frailty]

The refereeing will continue to get worse unless wholesale changes are made to the structure of training and rules change. It is not the individual referees fault - sacking them will just bring in a new crop that have been shaped by the same flawed training structures.

I refereed when I was younger and was selected into the NSW Rep squad but tore ligaments in my knee and didn't come back. I have seen Ashley Klein (prior to his stint in England), Alan Shortall, and Gavin Badger all develop. They were exceptionally good referees, but they have been moulded by the systems in place. Until these systems change, we will continue to have problems.

Meanwhile, we could help the referees by having black and white rules and stick with them instead of changing them every year. We have over complicated the obstruction rule, stripping rule, and even tackling.

 

[cleary89]

Meanwhile, we could help the referees by having black and white rules and stick with them instead of changing them every year. We have over complicated the obstruction rule, stripping rule, and even tackling.

Agree with this. Rules need to be black and white. No grey area. None of this you can run behind someone if you don't gain too much of an advantage. You can run through the line as a decoy but can't stop in the line unless you obstruct the defender too much....

Simply, you can't do it. If you do it, it's obstruction and a penalty.

 

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Meanwhile, we could help the referees by having black and white rules and stick with them instead of changing them every year. We have over complicated the obstruction rule, stripping rule, and even tackling.

Blame the coaches, how do you make obstruction rule black and white with coaches constantly coming up with new ways to exploit it. It's always going to be subjective, the only way to get some consistently around it's interpretation is if the same people are making every call. The bunker is the most viable solution.

 

[Dragon]

A lot of dancing around the real issue here.. the NRL is corrupt as f*ck

 

[TheVelourFog]

You can apply a simple test - If everyone at home can see it, why do they get it wrong? I'm sure they can point to the framework that they are told to rule within, but if everyone can see it then surely they can justify it

 

[BunniesMan]

With the obstruction rule, don't even get me started on how often obstructions go unnoticed when kicks are put up. It's become such an ugly part of the game.

 

[B-Tron 3000]

The refereeing will continue to get worse unless wholesale changes are made to the structure of training and rules change. It is not the individual referees fault - sacking them will just bring in a new crop that have been shaped by the same flawed training structures.

I refereed when I was younger and was selected into the NSW Rep squad but tore ligaments in my knee and didn't come back. I have seen Ashley Klein (prior to his stint in England), Alan Shortall, and Gavin Badger all develop. They were exceptionally good referees, but they have been moulded by the systems in place. Until these systems change, we will continue to have problems.

Meanwhile, we could help the referees by having black and white rules and stick with them instead of changing them every year. We have over complicated the obstruction rule, stripping rule, and even tackling.

Spot on.

I've been saying for years it's not the refs, or the refs boss. It's the terrible structure which leads to a complete lack of clarity around who should do what, resulting in poor training and performances of refs.

For example, if the refs boss trains them up over the off-season to all interpret the rules the same, it's guaranteed something happens 3 weeks into the season and someone decides to change the interpretation of a rule. How is anyone supposed to do their job consistently when the instructions change from week to week. It's just not possible.

 

[Canard]

After following the game all my life, I just don't care anymore.

And that's the NRLs biggest issue, being so incompetent to drive people from the sport.

 

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After following the game all my life, I just don't care anymore.

And that's the NRLs biggest issue, being so incompetent to drive people from the sport.

if you didn't care you wouldn't be whinging about it on a forum.

 

[bmwpower]

The nrl has become a joke. The referees are a joke. To many new rules, to many stupid penalties. The most obvious penalties or no trys being overlooked. It has become the laughing stock of all codes. Crowds dropping, gee I wonder why. The game is actually becoming worse. And in ten years time could become the 4th or 5th ranked code in Australia . I think the game needs to go backwards in time before it can go forward again.

 

[Spanner in the works]

Start making the referees front up to the media after every game. That would be a good start.

 

[2010Dragons]

I don't know who was robbed the worst Cowboys or Dragons!

 

[Canard]

if you didn't care you wouldn't be whinging about it on a forum.

Touche.

But honestly the rage I would normally have right now just isn't there.

 

[Rosetta]

This all goes back to when Robert Finch turned refereeing into game management, it's been f**ked ever since. The two referee system has been a blight on the game, it has offered absolutely f**king nothing except added another layer of incompetent shit. All this surrender this, dominant that, tip sheets, crackdowns and on and on it goes. These f**kers also TALK way too much on the field, no wonder they get so many calls wrong, they're ALWAYS f**kING TALKING and can't concentrate - just get back to what the art of refereeing is all about and that is REFEREEING WHAT YOU SEE, NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.

It is so f**king simple, f**k.

 

[TheVelourFog]

After following the game all my life, I just don't care anymore.

And that's the NRLs biggest issue, being so incompetent to drive people from the sport.

what's the point when one person can make an incorrect decision that decides the match? And yes the cowboys have played poorly this season but tonight I feel they deserved the points.

 

[Card Shark]

Thurston and the Cows have every right to say thats it we are not coming down to Sydney anymore what is the point.

Manly received their first penalty in the 47th min. They were penalised just before up there end when a chip and chase kicker ran imto Jamie Lyon. Cowboys missed their 2nd sitter of a kick.

The next 33 mins, the refs must've turned around.

 

[El Diablo]

what's the point when one person can make an incorrect decision that decides the match? And yes the cowboys have played poorly this season but tonight I feel they deserved the points.

it's not just one person these days in the box as there's an ex-player too