Ricky Stuart to coach Eels 2013

[Someone]

Well, good luck to Parra. You've signed a man who somehow has perpetuated the myth that he's a good coach despite a record of consistent failure since 2003.

The strangest thing is the claim that he attracts great players. As Sharks coach, he attracted Trent Barrett, Anthony Tupou (on 400k), Corey Hughes, Adam Cuthbertson and Karl Filiga. Compare that to the signatures achieved by our comparatively inexperienced coach.

im guessing you don't acknowledge 2008? equal first?

also Ricky wasnt NSW coach back then, now he is he has inside knowledge and opportunity to pounce on current and future NSW reps.

 

[Son of Minto]

also Ricky wasnt NSW coach back then, now he is he has inside knowledge and opportunity to pounce on current and future NSW reps.

Yeah he was only the Australian coach :roll:

 

[Loudstrat]

Rubbish.

It can't be said about Des Hasler , John Lang or Steve folks to name a few.

Plenty ( if not most) FG premiership coaches have built their team.

It can't really be said with a degree of accuracy - ever. The classic oft quoted example is Michael Hagan at Newcastle in 2001. They all reckon he won the comp with a side that Warren Ryan built. The truth is that Malcolm Reilly built that side, and Ryan's tenure was the trough between the waves. I still remember THAT prelim final vs Easts. The Knights were all over them at halftime, until Freddy discovered Ryan had a compressed defence. A few long cutouts later....................

Hagan fixed that and won a comp.

Sticky took over a good squad from Graham Murray, who made a GF then bombed out in a qualifier the following year. Sticky brought Jason Cayless, Justin Hodges, Brett Mullins, David Kidwell to the club.

I very much doubt that.

Most of the quality players in the FG team have been signed under flanagans watch.

Gibbs , fifita , de gois , j.smith , carney and now also Lewis and Gordon.

The first four were punted by their club, the 5th staggered in when Brian Smith poured him out of the soup kitchen bus from the cross. Ad Robson to that too. I'd say Cronulla was last chance motel for them all, excluding Lewis - who went there more because of their current position on the table more than anything.

I meant FG team and still he has no record of building a FG team on his own.

In fact he has more of a record of tearing them apart.

Honestly I can't see how someone like Stuart could be entrusted to re-build a team.

Well, you are full of sh*t, but trolls usually are.

-five coaches in seven years -

I love this line, technically correct, yet so f*cking misleading. Their last 3 coaches did 2 year stints - the year before Brian Smith quit in a tantrum, and Taylor came in - he had the job for as long as he wanted but Souths got in first. Hagan also did not seek another stint due to health issues.

We could have done a Penrith/Canberra - hung on to dud coaches for seasons on end. Would you say their boards are not dysfunctional?

Going by your argument - the most dysfunctional board by far is Canterburys. 3 coaches in the last 28 games.

Parra also has had 5 coaches in 17 years - but that's not as negative, is it.

-A different board

Should we have kept Fitzy?

- A coach who stuk up for them even when they underperformed

By dropping half of them to Wenty?

- A great roster - Sandow, Willie Tonga, Hindmarsh, Tim Mannah a NSW forward, and do not forget the Hayne Plane! They all have their detractors but you would like any of them in your own team.

You want Tonga back?

BUT - Still horrid results - so who is to blame ? I say it IS the attitude of some of the players who just think it will all go their way if they turn up. Some players i am sure are trying their heart out - their captain being one of the best week in week out -

The other guys are waiting for someone else to win it for them, not to themselves and their own responsibilities

It is the players here who are deciding the results - not the five coaches or board members

You need to research what a coach is supposed to do.



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Well, good luck to Parra. You've signed a man who somehow has perpetuated the myth that he's a good coach despite a record of consistent failure since 2003.

The strangest thing is the claim that he attracts great players. As Sharks coach, he attracted Trent Barrett, Anthony Tupou (on 400k), Corey Hughes, Adam Cuthbertson and Karl Filiga. Compare that to the signatures achieved by our comparatively inexperienced coach.

Again - negative. You ignore Fraser Anderson, Danny Nutley, Isaac De Gois, Brett Seymour, Kade Snowdon. The funniest thing is the accusation that he lost the great De Gois - ignoring the fact that he also got him in the first place.

Throw all those names from both coaches into the melting pot, and the standout in a Sharks jumper has been Danny Nutley by a long stretch.

BTW, Stuart best achievement at Cronulla is higher than Flanagans. Since Round 15 in 2008, Cronulla were never worse than outright fourth. And even if Cronulla win this weekend, they will be 3 competition points behind where they were in Round 21, 2008.

Sounds like there is some severe butthurt down Cronulla way to comprehensively ignore the good times they had under Stuart.

 

[Perth Red]

Hindmarsh seemed less than enthusiastic at the sticky moving in.
Has anyone told Elias Stuart won't be coaching his Perth team after all, lol?

 

[Dread]

im guessing you don't acknowledge 2008? equal first?

also Ricky wasnt NSW coach back then, now he is he has inside knowledge and opportunity to pounce on current and future NSW reps.

Yep, he had a very good year in 2008. Then systematically went about dismantling the team that had achieved so well that year, replacing those players with vastly inferior alternatives.

Will you be satisfied if Stuart gets your club one season in the top eight and then starts to drive your club into the horrific depths where you're relying on the likes of a ballooning Adam Cuthbertson to haul you to (very occasional) victories?

 

[Someone]

Yep, he had a very good year in 2008. Then systematically went about dismantling the team that had achieved so well that year, replacing those players with vastly inferior alternatives.

Will you be satisfied if Stuart gets your club one season in the top eight and then starts to drive your club into the horrific depths where you're relying on the likes of a ballooning Adam Cuthbertson to haul you to (very occasional) victories?

its like peoples past dictates their future, oh wait.

no one knows for certainty history will repeat mate.

 

[hineyrulz]

Strong supporter base my arse, they pulled near 8 thousand last home game, they are fair weather supporters, when Sturat realises the crooks and morons he is dealing with on the Parra board and legaues club he will last 18 months max.
Stuart thinks the suns shines out of his own date, he always has, when a couple of cricket scores are posted on them early next year watch him deflect the blame everywhere but his own doorstep.
At least Kearney took it like man, something the Els board members could learn from!

f**k off spastic, how good was that game at Skilled Park tonight???? Derp!!

 

[eelandia]

just remember when the dog was down you all kicked it.

when success comes it'll be a big 'f**k you' heading in all of your directions.

They've certainly laid the boot in. As said, we'll be back to return serve.

****

 

[Dread]

its like peoples past dictates their future, oh wait.

no one knows for certainty history will repeat mate.

Indeed.

Ultimately, he's an excellent motivator and a leader of men. They're traits that work very well for him at Origin level, and they might be invaluable in pulling together what from outside appearances seems to be a rabble of relatively talented players at Parramatta.

Just hope he doesn't leave your club in the same circumstances that he left ours.

 

[Someone]

Indeed.

Ultimately, he's an excellent motivator and a leader of men. They're traits that work very well for him at Origin level, and they might be invaluable in pulling together what from outside appearances seems to be a rabble of relatively talented players at Parramatta.

Just hope he doesn't leave your club in the same circumstances that he left ours.

anything is a possibility. He might have learnt from his time at sharks, might not have. Time will tell.

 

[Loudstrat]

Yep, he had a very good year in 2008. Then systematically went about dismantling the team that had achieved so well that year, replacing those players with vastly inferior alternatives.

Jeez you ignore a lot that happened at Cronulla to make your point.

Will you be satisfied if Stuart gets your club one season in the top eight and then starts to drive your club into the horrific depths where you're relying on the likes of a ballooning Adam Cuthbertson to haul you to (very occasional) victories?

You have seen Stephen Kearney's record, havent you?

Indeed.

Ultimately, he's an excellent motivator and a leader of men. They're traits that work very well for him at Origin level, and they might be invaluable in pulling together what from outside appearances seems to be a rabble of relatively talented players at Parramatta.

Just hope he doesn't leave your club in the same circumstances that he left ours.

So you hope we dont improve?

Are you really that thick? We have to win three from our last five to EQUAL where Cronulla finished in that year that the front office imploded and all you brainless waxheads blamed Sticky.

 

[Dread]

Have fun with him! Enjoy the good times that are just around the corner!

 

[Loudstrat]

Thanks. We will.

 

[natheel]

Ricky had 4 seasons at Cronulla to get a decent side together and did shit all.

Then after that he's got lots of respect for losing a 2 team comp twice in a row.

They won't be out of the bottom 4 next year.

Don't forget, this bloke was available 3 years ago when they got Kearney. Why didn't they get him then if now they're describing him as the best thing at the club since Gibson?

in all fairness, Craig Bellamy (NSW mentor before Ricky came back in) f**ked NSW up! he's a great coach out of the spotlight but come to NSW he cracks. He isn't a 'motivator' like Stuart. He's a methodical coach, and really i'd like to see mElbourne without Slater, Smith and Cronk in their side and see how he goes. but a bloke like Ricky is a motivator of players. Yes he went bad a Cronulla but i'm sure he has learnt from that.

He has done a bloody good job (granted NSW lost the 2 series) to even make us somewhat competitive in the origin again.


i honestly think he will prove to be a success and turn us around like Brian Smith did and make us a competitive club again. May take a bit of time though.

We didn't go for him back then because we made the decision to go for a new coach with a fresh attitude.

Look at Hayne under Stuart he plays his best games under him each year, why? because he has faith in his players.

I honestly think if Stuart didn't think he'd be ready to come to a club and rebuild it he wouldn't have signed and stayed on with NSW and continued on with his re-building there

 

[natheel]

Lewis would have been a perfect signing for Eels. With or without Stuart, they lose so much without Hindmarsh. Who is the leader in the team? Where is the grunt and work going to come from? Probably the softest team in the comp on paper going into 2013, Ricky has a lot of recruiting to do. If I were Ricky be going for someone like Michael Crocker, a proven leader on and off the field with a few years still left in the tank

Agree on Lewis he would've been the guy who picks up Hindys slack

BUT other players coming off contract i think could do a good job

David Stagg tackling machine but we also need a hard running backrower. I wouldn't be surprised if Stuart tries to bring Bird to Parramatta in the next year for 2014.

but at the moment without Hindy our main backrower i think who could pick up some of his workload is Ben Smith, yes he's been injured but the bloke never stops tackling. The last 6 rounds for us will be interesting as to who he will want to keep

Off Contract: Justin Poore, Fui Fui Moi Moi, Cheyse Blair, Jordan Atkins, Casey McGuire, Troy Savage, Daniel Penese and Jon Mannah

i think we can say goodbye to, Atkins, McGuire, Savage, Penese and Mannah (unfortunatly)

The rest Ricky will be looking at closely and out fo the 2 forwards i think he would go for Poore as he is our most aggressive forward so far. Moi Moi is still running hard but he's beginning to be getting bent back in tackles now. I hope he stays though

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

All we need Ricky to do is attract some players to our club and instil passion into the players. Do that then we can think about Premierships.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Yep, he had a very good year in 2008. Then systematically went about dismantling the team that had achieved so well that year, replacing those players with vastly inferior alternatives.

Will you be satisfied if Stuart gets your club one season in the top eight and then starts to drive your club into the horrific depths where you're relying on the likes of a ballooning Adam Cuthbertson to haul you to (very occasional) victories?

Could well have won it if his star player didn't basically force the club to stand him down then axe him. Which was effectively the catalyst for Cronulla's downturn. Through 2009 it seemed we couldn't got a week without a Cronulla player stuffing up off the field or a story from years earlier being rehashed. A lot of the reason for Cronulla crashing and burning then was beyond his control. I can't remember a club being death ridden as hard as the Sharks were in 2009.

If he can get a solid player to partner Sandow in the halves and program it into Sandow that every play doesn't have to be a game breaking play Parra may be in a decent spot. If he can bring a NSW player or two in then they might just go somewhere. However I think it is a long term process, they probably should write of 2013 and build for a finals appearance in 2014 and a premiership attack in 2015.

 

[Bazal]

I don't rate Ricky. But after Kearney, Paul Langmack would be an improvement...Sticky is a great motivator and a decent tactician. Importantly, Hayne seems to think very highly of him, and that can only be good for us. I'm happy to give him a chance, but I'm apprehensive given his recruitment record and choices in the past. Hopefully he has learned, or hopefully having a decent recruitment officer like Nolan around will help him out...

 

[Loudstrat]

Pretty much agree. I think it's funny how these butthurt gimps ignore his sucesses, and blam him for the problems at clubs that clearly were not his fault.

How many idiots have said for instance that he hasnt won an Origin series? :lol::lol:

 

[Big Pete]

This thread reminds me of how high Eels fans were on Sandow pre-season.

Same reasoning too, couldn't get much worse.

And then it did.