RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

[Raiderdave]

Time for the NRL to get tough and set a criteria.. where they'll give the grants, IF and only IF you can pass certain criteria elements first. Crowds are crap? Aren't growing your junior bases? Aren't doing enough to promote the game? Can't meet a reserve? Bad luck, you're out. Area's who have poured millions into their grassroots without proper NRL representation shouldn't be held back because of a few clubs which are in dire straights in one way or the other. Time to cleanse the weak from the strong.

so do what Super League wanted & kick clubs out if the don't meet these ?

please :?

no thanks ..... we know where you are coming from , it aint gunna happen:roll:

 

[Red&BlackBear]

so do what Super League wanted & kick clubs out if the don't meet these ?

please :?

no thanks ..... we know where you are coming from , it aint gunna happen:roll:

Wasn't fair then, won't be fair now and that's the beauty. You can't justify fair anymore when certain clubs do so much more for the game off the field then others.

It ain't going to happen? If the NRL can't justify the weaker clubs existence anymore it will happen. There's no more point into pouring millions upon millions into basket cases who will blow through that money quicker than they get it. It's not the NRL's fault that these clubs are in the position that they are in, it's the clubs own fault for not having foresight. The ramifications of pouring too much money into the clubs means someone has to lose out.. who will that be? Grassroots? Country footy? International footy?

I have no problem with the grants being given if and only if clubs can meet criteria to keep their licenses. Don't be asking, if you're not willing to give back. It's the way life is, you aren't pulling your weight then you're fired! Cause and effect! The tougher the NRL is, the tougher these clubs will become and the stronger everyone will eventually be.

 

[Perth Red]

Of course the flip side of this is that News could call their bluff and throw the IC in the bin and start SL2. I have little doubt that if they offered the clubs they wanted $10mill a year to join that they would get enough joining up to make it viable and still cheaper than what they will have to pay in the future for NRL rights.

A very dangerous game the clubs are playing, I am still unsure if it is motivated by:
A) Money
B) Frustration at yet another delay to the IC being formed and TV negotiated
C) Concerns that the IC will still be tied to News Ltd.

Hmmmm, interesting times ahead.

Also interesting in that is that NRL has $18mill in reserve!

 

[Raiderdave]

Wasn't fair then, won't be fair now and that's the beauty. You can't justify fair anymore when certain clubs do so much more for the game off the field then others.

It ain't going to happen? If the NRL can't justify the weaker clubs existence anymore it will happen. There's no more point into pouring millions upon millions into basket cases who will blow through that money quicker than they get it. It's not the NRL's fault that these clubs are in the position that they are in, it's the clubs own fault for not having foresight. The ramifications of pouring too much money into the clubs means someone has to lose out.. who will that be? Grassroots? Country footy? International footy?

I have no problem with the grants being given if and only if clubs can meet criteria to keep their licenses. Don't be asking, if you're not willing to give back. It's the way life is, you aren't pulling your weight then you're fired! Cause and effect! The tougher the NRL is, the tougher these clubs will become and the stronger everyone will eventually be.

who the hell pours millions into basket cases ?
this isn't the AFL

the NRL does no more for any one club then any other

if a club is struggling along on the smell of an oily rag .... then struggle along they will .... til the day they can no longer
but until such time... they are entitled to everything every other club gets from the NRL /IC ..& to compete on their terms

there'll be no criteria .... no if you can't do this or that you are out.. BS
like it was post Super League
that was the biggest mistake we made.... we won't make it again.

 

[El Diablo]

f**k News Ltd. they just want a cheap TV deal

good on the clubs for showing some balls

 

[Raiderdave]

Of course the flip side of this is that News could call their bluff and throw the IC in the bin and start SL2. I have little doubt that if they offered the clubs they wanted $10mill a year to join that they would get enough joining up to make it viable and still cheaper than what they will have to pay in the future for NRL rights.

A very dangerous game the clubs are playing, I am still unsure if it is motivated by:
A) Money
B) Frustration at yet another delay to the IC being formed and TV negotiated
C) Concerns that the IC will still be tied to News Ltd.

Hmmmm, interesting times ahead.

Also interesting in that is that NRL has $18mill in reserve!

10 mill a year per club , so 100 to a 120 million to start SL2 ?
its thought the last war cost News a Billion dollars ... & that was 15 years ago:sarcasm:

if they want to go down that path again
they'd need a bit more then the chump change you're talking about.

 

[Goddo]

f**k News Ltd. they just want a cheap TV deal

good on the clubs for showing some balls

This.

And for those of you drinking the Daily Telegraph cool aid, you are aware that its the mouth piece of News Ltd? Of course their articles are going to be pointing the finger at the clubs (while stuffing more cash which should be going into the game in their own pockets)

The clubs are in the right here. We have all complained about David Gallop and the NRL pussy footing around, doing what News tell them to.

Well, the clubs are united and have grown a pair. They won't take this sh!t from News anymore. The ARL is a useless meak puppet organisation who are contractually tied to News so they are afraid to rock the boat. The clubs aren't.

 

[juro]

Gees, if we thought the telegraph was crap before, just wait to see the endless stream of bile they produce if this went ahead!

 

[Brutus]

Graeme Hughes hinted at this on his show late last week.

He says the way rugby league has been over the past decade or more will be revealed.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

so do what Super League wanted & kick clubs out if the don't meet these ?

please :?

no thanks ..... we know where you are coming from , it aint gunna happen:roll:

Rugby league fansalways crap on about "the game is a business" until it comes time to run it like a business.

In business, shite companies with minimal revenue, poor performance, bad management - they fall over, they shouldn't be protected. So - why not have a geuine criteria and review again - minus, of course, the protectionsim for News limited clubs like last time?

It's a business, isn't it?

 

[Perth Red]

10 mill a year per club , so 100 to a 120 million to start SL2 ?
its thought the last war cost News a Billion dollars ... & that was 15 years ago:sarcasm:

if they want to go down that path again
they'd need a bit more then the chump change you're talking about.

I didn't say $100mill to start a comp, I said if you dangled a $10million carrot in front of the 10 clubs you wanted then the so called soladarity of the 16 clubs we have now would quickly disappear. News could probably start up SL2 for around $250mill a year, have total control and own the TV rights. They are going to end up paying close to that in years to come just for ltd TV rights so it isn't too far fetched to see that it could be on the cards.

Of course this bluff by the clubs could just be laughed at by News and ARL for what it is and the IC process continue on the slow but forward process it is taking now.

I think everyone expects the NRL grant to be around $6mill a year for clubs anyway if we get a $1bill deal so I am not sure why they are feeling the need to flex their muscles to two parties who won;t even be making that decision.

 

[Goddo]

Realistically, what have we got out of this IC process?

News has gotten everything they wanted, and it has cost them nothing in negotiations to get it. They leave the game early and get first and last rights until 2025.

The clubs demands are not unreasonable at all. A non compete clause is not a big deal if News are sincere in their dealings.

Considering the restructure of ARL/NRL/NSWRL/QRL is likely to save $30m a year, it would be a reasonable expectation that some of that money goes to the clubs - and News who have paid a pitance for the media rights should maybe throw a bit of coin to the clubs as a good will jesture.

What is unreasonable about that? No wonder the clubs are distrustful of the IC process.

Who would the clubs be negotiating with? Channel 7 and Telstra would be the players you would need I'd imagine to establish a break away league.

 

[axl rose]

Graeme Hughes hinted at this on his show late last week.

He says the way rugby league has been over the past decade or more will be revealed.

Graeme Hughes may as well write for the daily astonisher. There is nothing to be revealed, it is not a secret that its been a shambles for a long time.

The clubs are all rock solid in agreement? Broncos would threaten to walk away from their current masters news corp? some clubs must have very short memories and I would suggest they watch their back.

 

[Perth Red]

What is unreasonable is demanding it for 2012 when the game won;t have it until 2013. Also why the push for theis guaranteed income now just a short while away from the new company taking over the game? It is an unreasonable demand as A) the game doesn't have the money for it in 2012, B) we haven't got a tV deal yet so how can the game commit to a club grant amount until it knows what its budget will be C) why negotiate it with a board that is not going to be running the game in a few weeks time?

There was nothing in the email about a non compete clause or a demand for the IC to be in place by Nov 1st, just about $'s to clubs.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ndent-commission/story-e6frexnr-1226164762198

ARL chairman John Chalk reaches out to rebel NRL clubs in a bid to solve crisis that could derail independent commission

Amanda Lulham
The Daily Telegraph
October 12, 2011 12:14PM

AUSTRALIAN Rugby League chairman John Chalk said his organisation will "work very hard'' with clubs to find a solution to the drama engulfing the sport in the wake of NRL clubs threatened rebellion.

The Daily Telegraph reported this morning that rugby league's hopes of an independent commission is in turmoil after the 16 clubs last night issued a $34 million ransom note to News Ltd and the ARL with clubs demanding an extra 55 per cent in funding from next season - a move the NRL said it could not afford.

The threat came in the form of an email sent from South Sydney Rabbitohs chairman Nick Pappas on behalf of the clubs to News Ltd, ARL and NRL powerbrokers and insisted on a staggering increase in the clubs' annual grant from $3.85 million to $6 million from 2012.

Chalk said negotions with the club are ongoing.

"I wonder if it is a veiled threat or pretty emotional,'' Chalk said on 2GB radio this morning.

"But I understand where they are coming from so I like I said, we’ll work very hard with them to get to a solution.''

League great and former Manly Sea Eagles supremo and ARL chairman Ken Arthurson said he hopes the latest drama will not thwart the establishment of league's independent commission and admitted he had been "taken aback'' when he had read the story in The Daily Telegraph.

"I really hope it doesn't do anything to of the appointment of this commission to run our game because I think that is a step in the right direction,'' Arthurson said.

"I would hope that if the clubs are seeking further funding it's not for the purpose of just handing it straight over to players, not that I'm against players getting what they are entitled to because I'm a great believer that they should, but there is not much point in the league in handing over milllions if it isn't going to help [the clubs] financially at all.''

Arthurson believes the way forward for the sport is the independent commission.

"With other sports going so well we are going to face a fair bit of opposition over the next few years. I think it is very, very important we became a unified body.''

Triple M's Mark Geyer also said the NRL needs an independent commission.

"Every person in the game has an agenda and this Independent Commission will just make sure their agenda is one for the game," Geyer said.

 

[Gippsy]

News has gotten everything they wanted, and it has cost them nothing in negotiations to get it. They leave the game early and get first and last rights until 2025.

And how wrong is that? First and last rights for the next 14 years for a game they don't really like, a game they certainly hate to promote, while all the time sucking up to its major competitor, AFL. It's like they still want it, reluctantly, because they know it's still a ratings winner no matter how badly they treat it.

 

[El Diablo]

News would love nothing more than to kill off the NRL imo

a lot cheaper and convenient for them to invest in only one football code

they realise this after they stuffed up with Super League

 

[Goddo]

You see it in their dealings overseas too El D... look at the way they play favourites between Rugby League and Union in England.

News is an evil corporation that should not be trusted. The only way to deal with such an organisation is to dictate terms to them.

 

[Parra]

Impossible to kill it.

Very possible to get away with paying unders for it. Based on past form News will win out of all this, despite the threats and demands of the clubs. They wont stick together. Even now there is no unified front, with concerns that this will derail the "commission" as if that is more important than the teams people support.

 

[El Diablo]

You see it in their dealings overseas too El D... look at the way they play favourites between Rugby League and Union in England.

News is an evil corporation that should not be trusted. The only way to deal with such an organisation is to dictate terms to them.

yup

eg http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=204850