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RLWC2017 Crowd Watch

LeagueXIII

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It's almost like something happened around 1980 that started to take all the focus off the national team and onto something else.

Was after the super league war and as origin rose in prominence.

In the 1990's internationals were massive particularly Lions and Kangaroo tours. The death of these iconic tours did not help.
 

LeagueXIII

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The Kangaroos were not a brand back in the 70's unless they were oversees. I don't recall thinking of the Australian League team as the Kangaroos when I went to watch them at the SCG. They were the Australian League team. Unfortunately by the 70's it was the general opinion that the best league was the NSW competition and even playing QLD was not considered a real challenge. In essence the state of the game outside the NSW comp was considered below par. Lack of real competition was the reason for the decline in value of international League. Sad but true. Other nations did not develop their game and we did. Even today we have first choice English and NZ players out her because they cannot get the level of competition they need to develop their game if they stay home.

The only Australian team considered Kangaroos were those players selected for tours of UK and France. It's only in recent times that all Australian league teams have been called Kangaroos, maybe a marketing thing.
 

Stallion

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Was after the super league war and as origin rose in prominence.

In the 1990's internationals were massive particularly Lions and Kangaroo tours. The death of these iconic tours did not help.


Iconic being the key word! Something that isnt factored into thoughts of many in this forum. Undervaluing or not recognising iconic relevance is showing ignorance that is bound to prove costly in the long run.
 

LeagueXIII

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Iconic being the key word! Something that isnt factored into thoughts of many in this forum. Undervaluing or not recognising iconic relevance is showing ignorance that is bound to prove costly in the long run.
True

The 1994 Kangaroo Tour had massive interest both here and in the UK. The series attracted 140,000 through the gates and was only going to grow. The 1992 Lions tour was similar.

League was at it's peak in 1994, we'd had the origin game at the MCG pulling 87,000, the semi finals averaged 38,000 a game, the league was taking club games to Adelaide, Perth and Melbourne with an eye on future growth. The round average was the highest it had ever been. On top of this interest on TV was massive sponsors climbing over themselves to get on board. All killed off, and we have never gained this ground back.
 

Stallion

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True

The 1994 Kangaroo Tour had massive interest both here and in the UK. The series attracted 140,000 through the gates and was only going to grow. The 1992 Lions tour was similar.

League was at it's peak in 1994, we'd had the origin game at the MCG pulling 87,000, the semi finals averaged 38,000 a game, the league was taking club games to Adelaide, Perth and Melbourne with an eye on future growth. The round average was the highest it had ever been. On top of this interest on TV was massive sponsors climbing over themselves to get on board. All killed off, and we have never gained this ground back.

Well put. And all killed off with the 'carving up ' mentality that dominates destructionist thinking in this forum. Instead of advocating expansion with additional clubs these dudes want to carve up iconic foundation clubs and expect the fans to forgive and forget! ? Amazingly poor regard for this great competition that is the envy of all rugby competitions around the world!
 

deluded pom?

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PNG holds 15,000. All RLWC 2017 media as stated as such, as did Brad Walter when I asked on Twitter.

I think that can draw a line through The Game Caller’s credibility.
My first thoughts were 'have they extended the capacity'. Then I realised who the tweet was from. The Game Caller used to post on the TRL forum with little credibility. ECT summed him up rather astutely.
 

yakstorm

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In some ways it would be nice if the RLWC coordinators would just pretend the capacity was greater than 15K and announce appropriately... Anyway, as it stands there are 1,723 tickets left for PNG v Wales.

Other games, for Fiji v USA, the Western Grandstand is now sold out, so there's 2,435 seats allocated, and on the Eastern side, Bays 115 - 120 are pretty much full or sold out, with Bay 123 being similar. Everywhere else looks pretty sparse and easy to get tickets in the first few rows of the Bay...

For Mt Smart.... whilst it's frustrating that they have continued to hold seats back (seriously, it's less than a week away and they've already sold into all the sections, just put everything left on sale... ), the Cat C's in the Grandstand are selling really well, with only Bay 27 with any significant capacity. No new seats have been released into the Southern Lower, whilst in the Southern Upper, the middle two bays have limited capacity left (although they are still holding back the last 10 or so rows from going on sale).

Category B's have been taken off sale again.

For Melbourne, the England supporter Bays are now full, and the Eastern & Western Lower is either sold out or down to single tickets finally... At the ends of the grounds, only Bay 14 has much capacity left, with the rows that have been put on sale being snapped up... hopefully they'll release those few 'held-back' rows either today or tomorrow.

Unsurprisingly the new Cat C's are selling really quickly, creating a scenario where for the Eastern Upper, the back of some of these Bays will be packed, whilst the front won't be... anyway, clearly this new price point is moving tickets, so hopefully once the current allocation is sold, they'll then apply it to the other side of the ground.

Of all the games of the opening round, this is the one where unfortunately I don't feel we'll get much of a walk-up (Test Matches involving Australia rarely do), so feel we'll have a pretty good idea come Thursday if we can achieve the impossible and fill AAMI Park.

I'm less worried with regards to Mt Smart, as I know that a 10K walk-up is not out of the realms of possibility based upon past events at the venue, throw in the healthier spread of sales across the ground, I feel it will at least look 'fuller'.
 

kiwileaguefan

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I'm less worried with regards to Mt Smart, as I know that a 10K walk-up is not out of the realms of possibility based upon past events at the venue, throw in the healthier spread of sales across the ground, I feel it will at least look 'fuller'.

Hopefully more news of the Kiwis in the media this week will generated more sales. But the weather is not looking to flash leading up to the game and on game day.
 

Burns

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The weather for game day looks to only be light rain in the morning kiwileaguefan? Or does it tend to pour rain more often not in Auckland?
 

Burns

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Melbourne Pax 17,000.
Did you buy a ticket, whats your source and when was the ticket bought?

My PAX was 15,800~ purchased last Thursday. So if your figure is from today, would mean we moved a staggering 1,200 tickets across the end of last week/weekend.
 

Heritage XIII

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Other games, for Fiji v USA, the Western Grandstand is now sold out, so there's 2,435 seats allocated, and on the Eastern side, Bays 115 - 120 are pretty much full or sold out, with Bay 123 being similar. Everywhere else looks pretty sparse and easy to get tickets in the first few rows of the Bay...


I'd imagine Yakstorm that the walk up crowd for these end bays would be fairly significant because of the $10 price of the ticket. Would they be charged just as much nearly if they bought this ticket online? Therefore if I were going & wanting this cheap ticket I wouldn't exactly buy online.
 

malleekid

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Did you buy a ticket, whats your source and when was the ticket bought?

My PAX was 15,800~ purchased last Thursday. So if your figure is from today, would mean we moved a staggering 1,200 tickets across the end of last week/weekend.
Purchased this morning, yes.
 

morningstar

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Purchased this morning, yes.

Gee whizz. WTF has Andrew Hill and his team been doing this past week?

As previously mentioned 7 are having their content plan launch for 2018 in Melbourne on Friday and will be inviting a lot of corporates along to the game. Might explain why western upper has been kept from sale...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...p/news-story/d5435cdfc5249e0b4eeaa79f978d311e

"The opening World Cup match will kick off at Melbourne's AAMI Stadium on Friday night after Seven unveils its content plan for 2018 at the adjacent venue The Glasshouse, and hundreds of marketers gathered for network's annual Upfront's presentation will be invited to watch Australia play against England as the network's guests.
 

morningstar

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f**k me. 1 week out and our CEO is relying on walk ups, eligibility furore and England causing an upset for this to be a success. Bulldogs have picked up a real winner here...

http://www.afr.com/business/sport/h...cup-can-be-a-financial-winner-20171020-gz4uwm

Rugby League World Cup chief executive Andrew Hill will know the tournament will be successful if he sees long lines of fans queuing to get in for the two Lebanon games at the Sydney Football Stadium in about two weeks' time.

The World Cup kicks off on Friday night with a match between hot favourites Australia and long-time rivals England, but wider interest in the tournament that will be played in Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea will ultimately hinge on the fans of other countries becoming passionate about the event.

In Sydney, that means Lebanon. Plenty of players across NRL teams in the city are of Lebanese descent, and Hill and his team have worked hard to pique the interest of the large Lebanese community in order to get them to turn up to matches against England and Australia on November 4 and 11, respectively.

"We've reached out and appointed 200 ambassadors from the community," Hill tells The Australian Financial Review. "They are people of influence [like] church leaders, school teachers and other community leaders. We know there is strong pride in their culture and as Lebanese-Australians what would be better for them than to turn up to watch an iconic sporting event.


"But what we are told is that many in the community have that habit of turning up [to sports events] and paying cash at the gate on the day. So while we have that expectation that we will get strong crowds, we really don't know for sure until then."

If the tournament gets on a roll though – and interest is picking up after the high-profile defection of players such as Australian international Andrew Fifita and his New Zealand counterpart Jason Taumalolo – then the fiscal returns will be greater.

Hill and the Rugby League World Cup 2017 organisation are working with a budget of about $40 million, and based on sponsorship, government support, broadcast revenue and ticket sales he says the event is heading towards a "modest profit" that would be used by the Rugby League International Federation to promote the sport around the world.

Higher ticket sales will ultimately lead to a bigger profit.

What has boosted the event has been a bit of old-fashioned controversy, something usually not too far away from rugby league at the best of times.


The Fifita defection to Tonga – players from "Tier 1" nations are allowed to shift to the "lesser" nations if they choose to, in an effort to boost the international game – along with Taumalolo has sparked greater interest.

So much so that Hill says sales for Tonga's group matches in New Zealand are tracking higher than that of the home nation and other games so far.

There are some other unique points to the tournament, including a new broadcaster in Seven West Media which will also have host production duties.

For Seven, it has meant bringing on new sponsors such as CrownBet and Oak Hill to complement long-time rugby league corporate supporters such as Telstra and Harvey Norman. "We will show all the men's and women's tournament matches and it really opens us up to a new audience," says Seven's commercial head Kurt Burnette. "The World Cup takes us through October and November and then next year we've got Australian Open tennis, Winter Olympics and the Commonwealth Games."


The World Cup itself has 25 commercial partners, including Telstra and XXXX Gold beer. But the tournament has also attracted new sponsors such as Energizer and the $10 billion ASX-listed oil and gas company Oil Search that operates all of Papua New Guinea's oilfields.

"The Oil Search one is interesting," says Hill. "They are a company that has not been involved in rugby league before but we sold them the vision of the matches we have got in Papua New Guinea and the importance of the sport there."

The tournament has also scheduled Italy matches in Cairns, where there is a large population of Italian descent, and many other matches thanks to local and state government support across the rugby league heartland of Queensland – much to the consternation of some critics that hoped for more matches in NSW.

A semi-final and the grand final will be held in Brisbane, which will coincide with the first Ashes cricket test against England. Hill has his fingers crossed England will make it that far in the rugby league side of things, and signed up the Barmy Army as a travel partner.


But first Hill needs a strong showing from the team in the tournament's first match, a tough ask given the Australian side coached by Mal Meninga is stacked with the world's best players such as Melbourne Storm captain Cameron Smith.

"With international rugby league there can be some doubts about the competitiveness of it, so we need the Wayne Bennett-coached England to get off to a good start and play well on Friday night. We know the rest of the tournament will benefit from that."
 

Jim from Oz

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f**k me. 1 week out and our CEO is relying on walk ups, eligibility furore and England causing an upset for this to be a success. Bulldogs have picked up a real winner here...

http://www.afr.com/business/sport/h...cup-can-be-a-financial-winner-20171020-gz4uwm

Rugby League World Cup chief executive Andrew Hill will know the tournament will be successful if he sees long lines of fans queuing to get in for the two Lebanon games at the Sydney Football Stadium in about two weeks' time.

The World Cup kicks off on Friday night with a match between hot favourites Australia and long-time rivals England, but wider interest in the tournament that will be played in Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea will ultimately hinge on the fans of other countries becoming passionate about the event.

In Sydney, that means Lebanon. Plenty of players across NRL teams in the city are of Lebanese descent, and Hill and his team have worked hard to pique the interest of the large Lebanese community in order to get them to turn up to matches against England and Australia on November 4 and 11, respectively.

"We've reached out and appointed 200 ambassadors from the community," Hill tells The Australian Financial Review. "They are people of influence [like] church leaders, school teachers and other community leaders. We know there is strong pride in their culture and as Lebanese-Australians what would be better for them than to turn up to watch an iconic sporting event.


"But what we are told is that many in the community have that habit of turning up [to sports events] and paying cash at the gate on the day. So while we have that expectation that we will get strong crowds, we really don't know for sure until then."

If the tournament gets on a roll though – and interest is picking up after the high-profile defection of players such as Australian international Andrew Fifita and his New Zealand counterpart Jason Taumalolo – then the fiscal returns will be greater.

Hill and the Rugby League World Cup 2017 organisation are working with a budget of about $40 million, and based on sponsorship, government support, broadcast revenue and ticket sales he says the event is heading towards a "modest profit" that would be used by the Rugby League International Federation to promote the sport around the world.

Higher ticket sales will ultimately lead to a bigger profit.

What has boosted the event has been a bit of old-fashioned controversy, something usually not too far away from rugby league at the best of times.


The Fifita defection to Tonga – players from "Tier 1" nations are allowed to shift to the "lesser" nations if they choose to, in an effort to boost the international game – along with Taumalolo has sparked greater interest.

So much so that Hill says sales for Tonga's group matches in New Zealand are tracking higher than that of the home nation and other games so far.

There are some other unique points to the tournament, including a new broadcaster in Seven West Media which will also have host production duties.

For Seven, it has meant bringing on new sponsors such as CrownBet and Oak Hill to complement long-time rugby league corporate supporters such as Telstra and Harvey Norman. "We will show all the men's and women's tournament matches and it really opens us up to a new audience," says Seven's commercial head Kurt Burnette. "The World Cup takes us through October and November and then next year we've got Australian Open tennis, Winter Olympics and the Commonwealth Games."


The World Cup itself has 25 commercial partners, including Telstra and XXXX Gold beer. But the tournament has also attracted new sponsors such as Energizer and the $10 billion ASX-listed oil and gas company Oil Search that operates all of Papua New Guinea's oilfields.

"The Oil Search one is interesting," says Hill. "They are a company that has not been involved in rugby league before but we sold them the vision of the matches we have got in Papua New Guinea and the importance of the sport there."

The tournament has also scheduled Italy matches in Cairns, where there is a large population of Italian descent, and many other matches thanks to local and state government support across the rugby league heartland of Queensland – much to the consternation of some critics that hoped for more matches in NSW.

A semi-final and the grand final will be held in Brisbane, which will coincide with the first Ashes cricket test against England. Hill has his fingers crossed England will make it that far in the rugby league side of things, and signed up the Barmy Army as a travel partner.


But first Hill needs a strong showing from the team in the tournament's first match, a tough ask given the Australian side coached by Mal Meninga is stacked with the world's best players such as Melbourne Storm captain Cameron Smith.

"With international rugby league there can be some doubts about the competitiveness of it, so we need the Wayne Bennett-coached England to get off to a good start and play well on Friday night. We know the rest of the tournament will benefit from that."
Depressing reading … what about actually doing some proper promoting and marketing??!! What about, say, some print ads in the Tele, Sunday Tele, SMH and Sun-Herald ??!! I ain't seen a single print ad !!!!

and "modest" profit? WTF is that? It was supposed to be a $7 million profit !!!!
 

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