RLWC2017 Crowd Watch

[Perth Red]

Geez NQ and Canberra have let the side down!
I hope their Govt's paid a motza to host to make up for it.
Given the success of the NRL game Adelaide was def a missed opportunity for hosting.
Hindsight's a wonderful gift but Perth didn't need to be a double header and should have hosted an England qtr final (or Adelaide). Having said that there is 200k plus English ex pats in Melbourne so not like there isn't a market they could be targeting if they had a clue how to sell the product!

Good work on the stats Springs

 

[Perth Red]

100% agree with your post on the Melbourne game - this could get embarrassing. Realistically Australia should be playing the Melbourne quarter (and would probably pull between 12 and 15k and send England to Darwin where the novelty of the world cup and the general lack of top level RL there would probably still sell the game out.

You'd need to charge $125 plus a ticket and hope for 20k to make up in crowd takings in Melbourne what the Darwin Govt paid to host. A Million $'s in the bush is better than....and all that

 

[Stallion]

Comparing the pool stage crowds to 2013:

2017:

20-30,000

New Zealand v Tonga, Hamilton - 24,041
Australia v England, Melbourne - 22,724
Australia v Lebanon, SFS - 21,127

10-20,000

Samoa v Tonga, Hamilton -18,156
New Zealand v Samoa, Auckland - 17,857
Papua New Guinea v Wales, Port Moresby - 14,800
Papua New Guinea v Ireland, Port Moresby - 14,800
Papua New Guinea v USA, Port Moresby - 14,800
Ireland v Wales/England v France, Perth - 14,744
Australia v France, Canberra - 12,293
New Zealand v Scotland, Christchurch - 12,130
England v Lebanon, SFS - 10,237

Under 10,000

Ireland v Italy/Scotland v Tonga, Cairns 9,216
Italy v USA/Fiji v Wales, Townsville 7,732
Fiji v Italy, Canberra 6,733
France v Lebanon, Canberra 5,492
Fiji v USA, Townsville 5,103
Samoa v Scotland, Cairns 4,309

Total - 236,294

2013:

40,000+
England v Australia/Wales v Italy, Cardiff – 45,052

20-30,000

England v Fiji, Hull – 25,114
England v Ireland, Huddersfield – 24,375

10-20,000

New Zealand v Papua New Guinea – 18,180
New Zealand v France, Avignon – 17,518
New Zealand v Samoa, Warrington – 14,965
Australia v Fiji, St Helens – 14,137
France v Samoa, Perpignan – 11,576
Tonga v Cook Islands, Leigh – 10,554
Tonga v Italy, Halifax – 10,266

0-10,000

Fiji v Ireland, Rochdale – 8,872
Wales v USA, Wrexham – 8,019
Tonga v Scotland, Workington – 7,630
Papua New Guinea v France, Hull – 7,481
Scotland v Italy, Workington – 7,280
USA v Cook Islands, Bristol – 7,247
Papua New Guinea v Samoa, Hull – 6,871
Scotland v USA, Salford – 6,041
Australia v Ireland, Limerick – 5,021
Wales v Cook Islands, Neath – 3,270

Total - 259,469

Weekly Average

Week 1
2017 – 10,742
2013 – 13,035

Week 2
2017 – 10,764
2013 – 12,679

Week 3
2017 – 12,251
2013 – 11,353

Even with all the poor crowds so far the difference is openers. All our sub-10k crowds came from the decision to host 3 games each in Cairns, Townsville and Canberra, which was criticised by just about everyone.

With some better scheduling decisions there and Australians actually getting out to support their national team in Melbourne, Canberra and Sydney the way English fans supported England in 2013 and we would have beat it easily.

The quarters in 2013 drew 57k and the semi double-header 67k. Those targets are achievable but with the quarter venues unlikely. Hopefully Brisbane can pack out the semi and with the Tongan fans in Auckland we can beat Wembley.

The 20000 missed in the tournament opener by choosing Melbourne and not Sydney was costly for crowd figures. Let's hope the remaining games are well attended. They certainly deserve to be. The footy has been great and refreshing.

 

[Billythekid]

The 20000 missed in the tournament opener by choosing Melbourne and not Sydney was costly for crowd figures. Let's hope the remaining games are well attended. They certainly deserve to be. The footy has been great and refreshing.

You've said this a thousand times now but there is nothing to prove that Sydney would have got a crowd like that. Frankly Melbourne is more than capable of getting a bigger crowd than that and have before. The same f**k ups that led to the small crowd for the opener may well have happened wherever the match was played.

Of all he problems with the draw I don't think playing the opener at Aami park was a major one.

 

[Stallion]

You've said this a thousand times now but there is nothing to prove that Sydney would have got a crowd like that. Frankly Melbourne is more than capable of getting a bigger crowd than that and have before. The same f**k ups that led to the small crowd for the opener may well have happened wherever the match was played.

Of all he problems with the draw I don't think playing the opener at Aami park was a major one.

We dissagree. The public have been misread and underestimated for the Kangaroos v England at the SFS.

 

[Brutus]

We dissagree. The public have been misread and underestimated for the Kangaroos v England at the SFS.

True.

 

[Sydney Knight]

They probably could have sold Melbourne out if they went for Cheaper prices. I paid $91 which was close to the cheapest ticket at the time I bought them.

Australia v Lebanon was $20 at the gate for a better seat

 

[Billythekid]

They probably could have sold Melbourne out if they went for Cheaper prices. I paid $91 which was close to the cheapest ticket at the time I bought them.

Australia v Lebanon was $20 at the gate for a better seat

Exactly. Between the expensive tickets and the weird issue where bays are taken on and off sales the crowd suffered a lot. With correct pricing I think a sell out was more than achievable.

 

[ULYSSES]

If we have no pre sales and offer cheap walk up tickets will we get more spectators.

 

[Perth Red]

We dissagree. The public have been misread and underestimated for the Kangaroos v England at the SFS.

Based on what?

 

[Stallion]

Based on what?

Poor marketing of this tournament in Australia and the excessive ticketing prices that have been alligned with the lack of market research. Sydney/NSW has been waiting for the Kangaroos to host England in NSW for a long time and this opportunity has been wasted on a 2 thirds full Melbourne game instead. Its based on common sense.

 

[Stallion]

Geez that's steep.

The cat B price $35 should have been the catA price. Everything else should have been $20. Instead of a full house they will now struggle as per most of this tournament due to poor/high pricing policy. Astounding incompetence. Im still shaking my head at the $140 plus tickets (and increased to $155)for catA in Melbourne for the opener!

 

[johnny plath]

Poor marketing of this tournament in Australia and the excessive ticketing prices that have been alligned with the lack of market research. Sydney/NSW has been waiting for the Kangaroos to host England in NSW for a long time and this opportunity has been wasted on a 2 thirds full Melbourne game instead. Its based on common sense.

You seem like a proactive kind of person... have you wrote to your local member, and the nsw sports minister and asked them why they have taken rugby league for granted in nsw and were too tight arsed to make a bid to host some of the marquis games of this world cup in Sydney, or at some of its big regional centres such as Newcastle, such as the opener and or OZ v Eng, not to mention maybe a semi or the final. This is where you need your focus, not banging the drum about missed opportunities by the organisers.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I've been trying to book tickets to the Brisbane semi-final all morning and the site keeps crashing on the payment page. So frustrating!

 

[Jim from Oz]

I've been trying to book tickets to the Brisbane semi-final all morning and the site keeps crashing on the payment page. So frustrating!

Maybe due to a rush for tickets (he says in hope)?

 

[Springs09]

You've said this a thousand times now but there is nothing to prove that Sydney would have got a crowd like that. Frankly Melbourne is more than capable of getting a bigger crowd than that and have before. The same f**k ups that led to the small crowd for the opener may well have happened wherever the match was played.

Of all he problems with the draw I don't think playing the opener at Aami park was a major one.

To be fair AAMI Park has had two goes at an Aus v Eng match and neither impressed. We are yet to know what Australia v England would draw in Sydney or Brisbane or elsewhere as England or Great Britain hasn't played there since 2006, apart from when they played the semi in 2008 against NZ and drew more than this year's opener.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Brisbane semi-final tickets booked PAX 12,637

 

[Billythekid]

To be fair AAMI Park has had two goes at an Aus v Eng match and neither impressed. We are yet to know what Australia v England would draw in Sydney or Brisbane or elsewhere as England or Great Britain hasn't played there since 2006, apart from when they played the semi in 2008 against NZ and drew more than this year's opener.

I would be happy to see Aus v Eng played pretty well anywhere in the country with a 30K+ stadium. I just think of all the things they got wrong this tournament choosing AAMI for the opener was pretty low on that list, especially as the Vic government probably payed quite a bit.

 

[Stallion]

You seem like a proactive kind of person... have you wrote to your local member, and the nsw sports minister and asked them why they have taken rugby league for granted in nsw and were too tight arsed to make a bid to host some of the marquis games of this world cup in Sydney, or at some of its big regional centres such as Newcastle, such as the opener and or OZ v Eng, not to mention maybe a semi or the final. This is where you need your focus, not banging the drum about missed opportunities by the organisers.

Learning from the mistakes will help and I think administrators are paid to do this type of work I would suggest? If not its a real issue.

 

[Burns]

Ticket sales for all matches are moving realllllly slowly.