Robbie Farah gone?

[Tiger05]

It sounds like its more about Taylor than the salary cap.

 

[macnaz]

I must ask , would people be so upset if it was Potter 2014 that made the call to move Farah on ?

 

[madunit]

I must ask , would people be so upset if it was Potter 2014 that made the call to move Farah on ?

This is the thing though, Potter didn't want to move him on, just wanted to give him a 2 year deal instead.

But after help retain the Origin trophy and he had had a pretty decent season last year, so I think I would also be opposed to it. But again, it comes down to how it was handled.

If the club let him seek another club at the start of the year (giving him the maximum chance of finding a new home for 2015) and then announced at a press conference mid-season, that Farah has come to terms with another club and that the decision made was regrettable but due to poor management of the salary cap in the past and their hands were forced on the matter, then I think it would have been accepted.

Again, it comes down to the handling of the matter. Mayer was shit at handling these controversial matters and the rabble remaining after his tenure have adopted his pissweak approach.

 

[madunit]

Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor will live or die by his call on Robbie Farah

Daniel Lane
Published: August 27, 2015 - 11:17PM

After making arguably the toughest call in the Wests Tigers history by sending their skipper Robbie Farah packing, coach Jason Taylor now has the job of proving to the board that supported him that he's made the right decision.

Sources on the Wests Tigers board scuttled a rumour that suggested Taylor was motivated to move Farah on after receiving an ultimatum that he had until the seventh round next season to save his job. However, now he's made the call he must ensure it works.

"It's definitely Jason stamping his authority that the team is his, now he has to make it work," said a boardroom source. "It should be easy to assume it's not salary cap and it has to do with JT wanting his team, his roster and his way . . . Robbie doesn't fit into JT's plans, clearly.

"It wasn't an easy call to make but now [Taylor] has made it results on the field will say if it's the right decision or not. That's the only way we will know if it was right."

The suggestion Taylor was walking a tightrope was shot down but the pressure on him to do well without the NSW State of Origin hooker's presence next season was apparent.

"He has a three-year contract and I can tell you that [seven round deadline] hasn't even been mentioned," said the source. "There's no time . . . he has a three-year deal. He has the full support of the board . . . and not just about Robbie.

"The board is aware of other changes [that aren't as dramatic as the Farah call] and he has to do that. He's the boss of that side of the business. Look, at the end of the day I think the club and Robbie have been honest with their feelings."

A source confirmed the discussions concerning Farah had been ongoing for "some time" and was definitely not thrown on him at the last minute. The source could not say when Farah's management informed him about the decision.

The Wests Tigers will budget a large chunk of their salary cap for Farah to play against them next season because Taylor wants his young halves Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses to have a free rein during the game. Like Taylor, the call means they too will have to perform.

News of Farah's forced departure and the suggestion he would play reserve grade if he remained outraged former Wests Tigers players and some supporters. Farah, who played in the club's famous 2005 grand final victory, will join Pat Richards and Keith Galloway in leaving the club.


This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...his-call-on-robbie-farah-20150827-gj99a7.html

Brooks and Moses have had 13 games without Farah since the start of 2014.

The side won 2 of those matches, 1 in each year.

Its evident that they still aren't experienced enough to carry such a responsibility. Forcing Farah to play a restricted style (possibly to make him look bad) has not helped the halves who just aren't ready for the week in-week out NRL grind.

 

[madunit]

Moses-Brooks results
2014
Round 23 v Sydney - Lost 4-48
Round 24 v Canterbury - Lost 10-30
Round 26 v Cronulla - Won 26-10
2015
Round 1 v Gold Coast Titans - Won 18-19
Round 2 v St George Illawarra - Won 22-4
Round 3 v South Sydney - Lost 6-20
Round 4 v Canterbury - Lost 24-25
Round 5 v Parramatta - Won 22-6
Round 6 v Warriors - Lost 22-32
Round 7 v Canberra - Lost 22-30
Round 8 v Canterbury - Won 38-14
Round 9 v Sydney - Lost 4-36
Round 10 v Newcastle - Lost 12-22
Round 11 v North Queensland - Lost 0-8
Round 13 v Gold Coast Titans - Lost 20-27
Round 14 v South Sydney - Won 34-6
Round 15 v Manly Warringah - Lost 20-30
Round 16 v Penrith - Lost 12-35
Round 19 v Brisbane - Lost 16-42
Round 20 v Sydney - Lost 8-33
Round 21 v Melbourne - Won 34-16
Round 22 v Canberra - Won 20-18
Round 23 v Newcastle - Lost 18-24
Round 24 v Cronulla - Lost 18-40

Won 8, Lost 16

 

[Old Time Tiger]

madunit, stop making excellent points like

Its evident that they still aren't experienced enough to carry such a responsibility.

Seriously though, looking at those results and the Moses/Brooks combo, we can see where Farah was missing this year because of SOO, shoulder & hand.

Round 11 v North Queensland - Lost 0-8 - out because of SOO
Round 13 v Gold Coast Titans - Lost 20-27 - out
Round 14 v South Sydney - Won 34-6 - out
Round 15 v Manly Warringah - Lost 20-30 - out
Round 16 v Penrith - Lost 12-35 - Played
Round 19 v Brisbane - Lost 16-42 - out
Round 20 v Sydney - Lost 8-33 - out

But it gets confusing based on:

It is understood Tigers coach Jason Taylor wants his young halves to take more control, and they have struggled to do so with Farah – such a seasoned and dominate player - watching over. Ownership of the team will now be given to Luke Brooks and Mitchell Moses.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-robbie-farah-to-move-on-20150826-gj8dve.html

And the fact that Taylor has been stifling Brooks & Taylor,

A few weeks ago during a televised Channel Nine game, Phil Gould was banging on about the talent of the young Wests Tigers playmakers and about how they should be allowed to play their natural game. I’m sure he wasn’t talking to the viewers, but to Jason Taylor.

Love him or hate him, Gould knows his stuff, and he knows Taylor is suffocating the life out of these kids with this boring brand of footy. The football the Tigers are playing is one-up, boring, uninspiring stuff.

It’s not fooling opposition defences who just have to square up, make five tackles and then catch a mid-field bomb, and it’s boring the pants off the fans that pay money to be entertained.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/07/taylors-tactics-stifling-young-tigers-boring-fans/

and

It’s a shame Luke Brooks hasn’t been in a top four team the last couple of years.

Sure, he’s living his childhood dream of playing in the NRL, but I can’t help but wonder if he’d been at a strong club, what kind of player we’d be seeing today

Please don’t take this as a slur on his current coach or teammates; it’s just an acknowledgment that the Wests Tigers haven’t exactly provided the organisational strength and stability that’s conducive to junior elite talent development in recent times.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/ben...es-developing-in/story-fnlt03ir-1227452001817

Wests Tigers haven’t exactly provided the organisational strength and stability that’s conducive to junior elite talent development in recent times

- big statement but I believe that for a former 1st grade halfback, Taylor certainly has not helped Brooks.

That's not Farah's fault and as you said madunit, I believe it comes back to the salary cap issues.

 

[macnaz]

Kent alluded on 360 while the team was watching game replays and Taylor asking why different plays went a certain way and not what he perceived a better option , the replies from players was , we were calling it but Farah constantly ignored them . Hmmmm if true , certainly makes it hard for a coach to implement game plans and structures and also makes it hard if Farah has not adapted to a new role. Altho I think Taylor isnt much of a coach I can clearly see how 1 person can change the demeanor of an entire side when one person is being selfish.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Kent alluded on 360 while the team was watching game replays and Taylor asking why different plays went a certain way and not what he perceived a better option , the replies from players was , we were calling it but Farah constantly ignored them . Hmmmm if true , certainly makes it hard for a coach to implement game plans and structures and also makes it hard if Farah has not adapted to a new role.

macnaz, you have to remember though that Kent is very much like Weidler, they thrive on rumour and the fact they 'have been informed'.

Maybe we could ask Paul to go back to his sources within the playing group and ask since Round 11, the round before SOO 1 when players were not available, when Farah ignored them?

Round 11 v North Queensland - Lost 0-8 - Farah didn't play.
Round 12 bye
Round 13 v Gold Coast Titans - Lost 20-27 - Farah didn't play
Round 14 v South Sydney - Won 34-6 - Farah didn't play
Round 15 v Manly Warringah - Lost 20-30 - Farah didn't play
Round 16 v Penrith - Lost 12-35 - he did play so perhaps this was the round ?
Round 17 v Parra - Lost 16 - 28 - Farah didn't play
Round 18 - bye
Round 19 v Brisbane - Lost 16-42 - Farah didn't play
Round 20 v Sydney - Lost 8-33 - Farah didn't play
Round 21 v Storm - Won 34 -16 - he did play so perhaps this was another round that Farah can be blamed for, what winning?
Round 22 v Canberra - Won 20 - 18 again Robbie played here.

See it's crap to blame one guy and I don't believe they the playing group would start pointing fingers at their captain, what's the flip side, Farah pointing at Brooks, Siro, etc for missing tackles?


I'm not defending Farah here I'm of the opinion it's the previous managements fault.

 

[macnaz]

I just think if its money alone , has the club come out and said can we negotiate a more suitable deal and perhaps reward you down the track with some form of in house eemployment etc.
Either way or who ever is to blame its has been handled poorly like everything else at this club.

 

[Ron's_Mate]

I just think if its money alone , has the club come out and said can we negotiate a more suitable deal and perhaps reward you down the track with some form of in house eemployment etc.
Either way or who ever is to blame its has been handled poorly like everything else at this club.

A deal like that wouldn't change the salary cap issue. Also, the reason Farah is on this much for the next two years is because he took less in the first two years, so it would be a bit rough to ask him to sacrifice again. Apart from that, I suspect the move to push him out is partly salary cap and partly Taylor doesn't want him there.

 

[The Charlatan]

The club isn't asking him to sacrifice anything. He'll get paid his money, it just depends how much of it will be offset by another club, and if not, how long will he be stuck in reggie's or on the sideline.

 

[Tiger05]

I must ask , would people be so upset if it was Potter 2014 that made the call to move Farah on ?

This is a valid question. I'm not too worked up about this call and I think JT is a fraud of a coach.

 

[Tiger05]

Kent alluded on 360 while the team was watching game replays and Taylor asking why different plays went a certain way and not what he perceived a better option , the replies from players was , we were calling it but Farah constantly ignored them . Hmmmm if true , certainly makes it hard for a coach to implement game plans and structures and also makes it hard if Farah has not adapted to a new role. Altho I think Taylor isnt much of a coach I can clearly see how 1 person can change the demeanor of an entire side when one person is being selfish.

If this is true I can understand the decision.

 

[lingard]

It will be strange seeing him in another jersey, probably our best ever player.

You must be forgetting about Ben Elias, Steve Roach, and Wayne Pearce.
Not to mention Keith Barnes.

 

[Das Hassler]

And i think you're forgetting that none of them ever played for Wests Tigers

 

[Tiger05]

And i think you're forgetting that none of them ever played for Wests Tigers

If we are talking Wests Tigers players he must be one of the top 2. I think Benji was a better player.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

A trip down memory lane

Sacked South Sydney coach Jason Taylor says he can't understand why he was shown the door by the Rabbitohs, claiming he did nothing to breach his contract with the NRL club.

Taylor's contract was torn up on Thursday as a result of his involvement in an incident during an end of season drinking session at a Sydney hotel 11 days ago where he was punched by departing backrower David Fa'alogo.

"I haven't broken the code, I haven't beached my contract," a dejected Taylor said on the Nine Network's The Footy Show.

"We presented a document to these guys (the Rabbitohs board) yesterday with evidence as to why there are no breaches in my contract.

"I can't understand why today I'm without a job.

"I'm gutted - the effort and the time that's gone into the job by myself over the last few years, the relationship that I've built up with the playing group ... to find out today that that's all over and that I don't get a chance to make the most of the work that's gone on the last few years is absolutely devastating."

Taylor confirmed reports he would pursue legal action in a bid to clear his name over what he believed was an unjust course of action taken by the club.

The game's third leading pointscorer of all time said he had attended similar functions in past seasons at the Rabbitohs, and that he had documents verifying his claim that he wasn't intoxicated on the night in question.

"I have three written signed statements from two bar staff and security - completely independent people - who say that Jason Taylor wasn't intoxicated, that he was drinking responsibly," he said.

"I've been at these celebrations that we've had since I've been at the club and I was at these celebrations when I was at Parramatta.

"I have no doubt that if I don't get punched that I've still got a job, because if I don't get punched, the day and my involvement there is exactly the same as every one of those day that we've had (in the past)."

Asked if regretted anything he had done on the night, Taylor said:

"Right now I prefer that I didn't go but I look back on the reasons why I did go and why wouldn't I go?

"I've been unfairly treated in my opinion, extremely unfairly treated.

"It won't end here as far as I'm concerned."

Taylor also revealed he had received messages of support from some of the Rabbitohs players.

He has been replaced by coaching consultant John Lang, who was appointed head coach for the next two season.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

She has spoken :?

Wests Tigers chairwoman Marina Go has opened up about the decision to offer captain Robbie Farah a release, saying it was time to put the club first to ensure it built a winning culture.


Farah is contracted to the joint-venture club for the next two seasons, eating up the best part of $2 million under the salary cap during that period. However, the Blues hooker has been told he is free to explore his options and that he will likely finish his career in the NSW Cup if he can't find a new home.


Go said Jason Taylor was given a mandate to build a strong culture when he was appointed coach and the board needed to back his decision to make the necessary changes, even if they were unpopular ones. "What we've been trying to do for the past year is rebuild a club around a winning culture because culture drives performance," Go said.


"It's not just this year that the club hasn't performed, we haven't performed for many years, so something has to change. We believe very strongly that we don't have a strong enough culture and the best sports teams in the world have strong cultures.


"In our strategic pillar we have [spoken of the need] to unite, it's in our plan and it's what was put to our coach when he joined us. We said 'we want you to build a united culture around a team that can win'. The result of that is things have played out this year. It's important we put the club first. We need to make decisions around the club and sometimes it's not easy and doesn't please anyone, but we're doing it because our members demand better performance from us, and so they should.


"We need to rebuild our club around a winning culture."


Asked if Farah didn't fit the culture the club was trying to foster, Go said: "Taking a big-picture view of the team and looking at where the opportunities are to increase the unity, spirit of the team and the culture, a decision has been made about what needs to happen next.


"As a result, we've informed Robbie we are giving him permission to speak to other people. We're not kicking him out, we've basically said 'based on what we want to achieve next year, we're happy for you to explore other options'. You'd have to say in the scheme of the big picture and what we need to build for the future, there's a sentiment that no, he doesn't."


Farah's management was told of the club's stance after the final State of Origin game, although the 31-year-old only learned of the decision during the week. The timing has left him with few options, as most clubs won't be able to afford a representative player, even if the wage is heavily subsidised by the Tigers.


It's understood Canberra have expressed interest and could be prepared to spend up to $250,000 per season, although that may not be enough to shift him to the nation's capital. South Sydney have denied interest but continue to be linked to Farah due to the departure of hooker Issac Luke and the fact Farah's brother, Eddie, is the Rabbitohs' physiotherapist.


The stumbling block could be that Cameron McInnes rejected offers to stay at Redfern after being promised first crack at the No.9 jersey next year. There is some interest from England, including Super League powerhouse Leeds, although Farah's preference is to remain in Australia. NSW coach Laurie Daley has revealed he has no qualms about selecting Farah even if the Tigers make good on their promise to dump him to the NSW Cup.


"We're not kicking Robbie out and if he is with the club next year, we won't disrespect him," Go said.
"
He's an important part of the club. These things happen all the time. My youngest son put his arm around me and said 'I remember when Wayne Bennett got rid of Wally Lewis'. These things are done not for personal reasons but because the club is put first.


"Our members, quite rightly, want us to be performing and winning in the future. Sometimes you need to make difficult decisions to achieve future positive outcomes. It won't be easy, we know that. We're committed to building a stronger culture that translates to be better performance on field."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-had-to-go-20150828-gja5ur.html#ixzz3k9ZkgCLW

​

Interesting that she says "We're not kicking Robbie out and if he is with the club next year, we won't disrespect him,"

But are you disrespecting him by playing him in the NSW Cup if the form of the NRL players is not better than Farah's? Interesting times !

 

[Ron's_Mate]

Go is part of the shambles the club is in. I've never heard her say anything sensible or insightful. This article is just another example. Pretty much everything she says is contradicted by the actions of the club.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

everything she says is contradicted

Ron's Mate, contradiction or little white lies?

Interesting that she says

My youngest son put his arm around me and said 'I remember when Wayne Bennett got rid of Wally Lewis'.

Now I had to look it up and see how long ago that was and it was 25 years ago in 1990.

So to remember that, how old would he have to be?

Well when you say silly things you can and do get caught out in the days of google, for example,

Go told Mumbrella that she was making the choice because her son was of HSC age and she was spending a couple of nights a week in Melbourne.

http://mumbrella.com.au/marina-go-leave-private-media-sydney-based-role-235085
This was from June 2014. So was this the youngest son? 18 years old and he can recall something from 25 years ago, must have blitzed the HSC.

yep

part of the shambles