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Roster for 2013 - Gains and Losses

hitman82

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Sao is a gun and clearly took the best option for him.
Manly wont offer him big money, but there is a pathway to replace kite and/or king.

They also signed Mike Chee Kam - one of the other best forward in the nyc.

Sao is from manurewa i.e poor lol and most likely 50k to him would be heaps.
Its more about the fact manly will invest three years in him - i.e they care about his develoment. He has ripped since he has been with the warriors and most improved after only a few years playing league.

tbh he would be top 3 prop in the nyc this year
I believe that type of seeding or performance warrants at the very least a two year deal.

Warriors wld of offered a one year min wage deal.
The warriors like offering one year deals to their graduates such as lousi, ikahihifo etc.
They often can take advantage of the young auckland boys, that they can stay at home etc - they dont always take the best deals on offer.

Simply, Sao has showed much improvement and talent he would overcome both Lousi to become at the least 5th best prop option in the next year or two.

With both rapira going through injury issues he would get plenty of gametime.

Who from the NYC squad? gets upgraded - if they lose taukieaho, then the only forward capable of playing NRL next year is Palavi.

As for backs - I dont rate slaimankhel so he can go for all i care.
The only back would be Hiku if he had a big offseason.

Yeah I have often thought about this, more from the stereotypical island boy who lives with their family, wants to stay with their church, remain in South Auckland, and will happily sign up for less than market value.

But from the club's point of view, of course they are all about hardballing to try and retain maximum talent for minimal outlay, so they will take advantage of every trick possible to keep these guys as cheaply as possible. Playing that kind of game you always run the risk of losing some; this appears to be the case with Ligi Sao, as there is simply no sensible reason why we wouldn't try and keep him.

Having said that, I am not too disappointed.

8 Package
10 Matulino

15 Sam Rapira / Steve Rapira/ Sam Lousi
16 Lillyman / Sione Lousi

Both Lousi brothers appear to be fairly durable, Rapira brothers are both glass, Lillyman I haven't made my mind up yet... I suspect he tore his muscle because he is ridiculously heavy in the pec/delt region and likely had too much tightness for the flexibility required to play NRL... hence why it ripped in his first trial game. But generally I'd consider Lillyman quite durable too.

So yeah we have 2 great reliable props, 2 great and dodgy props, 1 decent and reliable prop, 1 decent and dodgy prop and 1 untested rookie.
 

Rich102

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Agreed. How many have we lost over the last two seasons? To be replaced by?
 

Warmess

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Do you think they're saving the pennies for the inevitable huge upgrades that are going to need to be handed out to the likes of Johnson, Locke and Hurrell? I'm sure Mutts got a pretty decent upgrade to his deal.

I would have liked for us to sign a world class 6, but there aren't many of them floating around on the market and the next best thing is for us to retain the talent we do have.
 

hitman82

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Do you think they're saving the pennies for the inevitable huge upgrades that are going to need to be handed out to the likes of Johnson, Locke and Hurrell? I'm sure Mutts got a pretty decent upgrade to his deal.

I would have liked for us to sign a world class 6, but there aren't many of them floating around on the market and the next best thing is for us to retain the talent we do have.

Well, we have signed the world champion halfback... :p
 

Fast Eddie

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I've said it once and I'll say it again, I've never been much of TL fan but I honestly believe that overall he will be a step up from Maloney (as long as Johnson can kick goals at around the mid 70's)
 

vvvrulz

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I've never been much of TL fan but I honestly believe that overall he will be a step up from Maloney

Come again?

What exactly is Maloney missing as a player? As far as our #6's have gone he is as good as its ever been, at least for the last decade. What does TL have that he doesn't?
 

Meth

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Maloney.

Great hole runner.

Great goal kicker.

Pretty average at everything else.

Best performer that we've had at 6. But what is that saying, really?
 

Meth

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It cracks me up to see all the Roosters fans so excited about him
 

Fast Eddie

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Come again?

As far as our #6's have gone he is as good as its ever been, at least for the last decade.

:lol: oh shit that seals it! Whats his competition been? Michael Witt?

The amount of points we have leaked as a direct result of Maloneys defense for starters. Just because he runs good straight lines of Mateo passes doesn't mean he is some sort of irreplaceable 5/8th. His kicking game is inconsistent and defensively he is terrible. TL will be able to do everything Maloney can do bar the hole running possibly, but that will be well and truly countered by the fact that TL can tackle and won't make terrible defensive reads every time the ball comes within 10 metres of him.
 

Fast Eddie

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It cracks me up to see all the Roosters fans so excited about him

:lol: they actually think he will be the one who turns their scumbag club around. Maloney is a good 5/8th but nothing to bank your clubs fortunes on.
 

vvvrulz

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TL will be able to do everything Maloney can do bar the hole running possibly

I will be very surprised if this happens for a bloke coming out of ESL and slotting straight into an NRL #6 jersey. Of course time will tell and I hope TL proves me wrong, but Maloney is an excellent player and will leave big shoes to fill.

Agree he misses a few tackles but that's been happening all over the place, our defence in general has been poor from everybody. All he has to do is lay a hand on an attacker someone else already missed and it counts as a 'missed tackle'. I disagree about his kicking game as well, he's been mostly on the mark this year.
 

Fast Eddie

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Missed a few tackles?? :lol:

And thats not even the biggest problem either, he rushes out of the line a ton (and more often than not misses the tackle or creates a gap inside or outside him), or pushes too hard up and in while the rest are sliding and allows a player to get on his outside to create an overlap. He is one of the main problems of our edge defense.

And no he is not an 'excellent' player. If he was he would be in the top 5 5/8ths in the comp for starters.

In saying this sure I would have rather he had stayed at the club but I honestly don't think there will be much of a drop off between TL and Maloney like most people think (if any at all).
 
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hitman82

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Missed a few tackles?? :lol:

And thats not even the biggest problem either, he rushes out of the line a ton (and more often than not misses the tackle or creates a gap inside or outside him), or pushes too hard up and in while the rest are sliding and allows a player to get on his outside to create an overlap. He is one of the main problems of our edge defense.

And no he is not an 'excellent' player. If he was he would be in the top 5 5/8ths in the comp for starters.

In saying this sure I would have rather he had stayed at the club but I honestly don't think there will be much of a drop off between TL and Maloney like most people think (if any at all).

Yeah that's pretty much how I feel about it.

When Maloney's at his best, he's a great running half with a precise long kicking game. He seems to come and go a bit though - you rarely see him have more than a couple of really strong games in a row. He also seems to go missing in games when we really need a half to step up and control. He'd be in the top 10 5/8s in the comp, but not the top 10 halves in general. I'm not even going to get into Maloney's defensive issues...

Thomas Leuluai has shown he can match it with the best England and Australia can field. Defensively he's a total beast, he has a strong passing game and has a good long kicking game from memory. All we will lose is Maloney's hole running and a bit of pace. Leuluai overall will be just as good, if not better. And his defense will be invaluable for us.
 

Rich102

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Remember a song called Big Yellow Taxi?
"You don't know what ya got till it's gone"?

Well we're about to find out next year.
 

Fast Eddie

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Easy to say that without backing it up with any comparisons or analysis of the player leaving and the player arriving. You're making out like we are osing Thurston. There are two sides to Rugby League, that includes defense. And this season we have been pretty terrible at it.

And good stuff on the Lilyman news, and to think a lot of people wanted him gone after his first season, led by the king of all muppets ozbash.
 

Rich102

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AsI recall he was bought as a State of Origin class second row.
He was terrible.
Only since changing to the front row has he been anything of note.

Glad to see him re-signed.
 

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