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Round 1 2013 Line Ups

Warriors 2013

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It was mainly the outside backs Tupou, Manu & Hurrell who keep racing up. I think from memory which were horror memories. When teams were catching up most of their tries were from out wide not through the middle. Yes there was a couple but that was after they had already thrown the towel in.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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It was mainly the outside backs Tupou, Manu & Hurrell who keep racing up. I think from memory which were horror memories. When teams were catching up most of their tries were from out wide not through the middle. Yes there was a couple but that was after they had already thrown the towel in.

If a player in the middle rushes up and misses the tackle it creates a massive gap behind him which forces everyone on the outside to get sucked inward essentially collapsing whatever defensive line we have.

Our outside backs were generally terrible last season defensively, but at the same time there were tries where they were being asked to cover an extroadinary amount of space and attackers and that can only happen if things have collapsed on the inside.
 

Warriors 2013

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That was also due to the fact we didn't have a fully fit Fulllback who could general the players into Defensive positions. I.E. Carlos, Fish and to a certain extent James Maloney (When he was pushed back there through no choice of his own).That is the Fullbacks responsibilty. As he has 10 metre space behind the Defensive line to read where the attack to going. And to be calling where they should be defending from. Again I keep harping on about it this will all come easly once they get their Defence in order. Which is being fit, talking to each other, Listening to each other, Trusting each others ability in defence & backing yourself to complete the defensive task & Not watching what others in your team are doing, but what the ball is doing. Gang tackling should only been done once the intial tackle & ball has been held up first. Not 2 or 3 go in and they off load the ball. More 1 on 1 tackling needs to be encouraged. Hopefully the Wrestling coach will help in that area.
 

ozbash

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If a player in the middle rushes up and miss the tackle it creates a massive gap behind him which forces everyone on the outside to get sucked inward essentially collapsing whatever defensive line we have.

Our outside backs were generally terrible last season defensively, but at the same time there were tries where they were being asked to cover an extroadinary amount of space and attackers and that can only happen if things have collapsed on the inside.

A 2nd rower/locks natural defensive game is too rush up and nail the ball carrier, I dont think we had one game last season where we didnt have a 2nd row/lock out in the centres..

Konrad was good on attack but the opposition soon worked out he was another Manu..
 
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I dont post much but i really think that Taylor was very poor for us in 2012, not blaming him for the whole season but when i watched him i thought he was very bad at getting to his feet when he made a tackle quite often the player would step over him and play the ball creating a lot of space for the next play, i also noticed him rushing out of the line and missing tackles. Im glad Lowrie is here i think hell give the pack a bit of steel. Also Nielson has to play centre, Hurrel needs to earn his spot play some solid footy for Vulcans, his attack is great but far out his defence was shocking this year. Just my thoughts
 

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Under new coach Matt Elliott, the Warriors' halves combination could be set for a rejig. Ben Stanley looks at the options.
Ever since league legend Andrew Johns uttered those now oft-quoted words on how much he rated rising young halfback Shaun Johnson in 2009, the Warriors nation had the story dialled in.
The name Johnson, with the No 7 under it, playing in club colours for what would, hopefully, be a storied career.
Last year, he made waves in his first year in the NRL, helping carry the Warriors to their second NRL Grand Final in 2011.
Though starting brightly, last season wasn't so flash, with Johnson looking a little out of his depth as it progressed.
With preseason under way, new coach Matt Elliott is running through the options for the men wearing the numbers in the halves - meaning Johnson's destiny in the Warriors may not be limited to the No 7 jersey.
In addition to 30-test Kiwis veteran Thomas Leuluai, coming to the club on a three-season deal this year, Elliott has the likes of Pita Godinet and Carlos Tuimavave at his disposal as well.
Second-row offload king Feleti Mateo is another option at standoff if needed.
While Sunday News understands a move for Johnson to standoff is being considered, Elliott made one thing clear: Right now, Johnson and Leuluai were the likely starters at No 6 and 7 come round one 2013.
"We've got a lot of options there, that's for sure," Elliott said.
"But, if you had to ask me who is ranked one and two at the moment, and that's what happens in footy, these other guys have to go around them.
"Carlos Tuimavave and Pita [Godinet] having been setting the standards in a lot of ways at training, but I really like the dynamic of Thomas and Shaun."
The reality of the modern game means the responsibilities and style of play for the men in the halves differs little - but will mean the supposed legacy for Johnson at halfback may be over.
Leuluai, currently on a slightly reduced training schedule because of his continued recovery from a broken leg suffered in June, is open to a move to wherever he is needed on the paddock - and is simply looking forward to seeing what he can spark up with his younger partner in the halves.
"I feel comfortable in both," the 27-year-old said.
"I suppose it's about what suits and what fits the team. There's not too much difference between halves these days, between No 6 and 7. It's more the combination between the two.

"Obviously, there's a spot there, and I want to get a spot. I've just got to work hard. We'll see how I go and Matthew will make those decisions."
Leuluai has made a big impression on Elliott, who has even hinted at a possible leadership role for him next season.
While not possessing the raw talent of Johnson, who begins his preseason training this coming week, Leuluai's game could become a real asset to the Warriors during the next few years.
A solid, hard-working threat out of dummy half, he's an experienced sniper who consistently turned heads while playing for Wigan in the Super League.
"I'm massively impressed with Thomas," said Elliott, the former Raiders and Panthers boss.
"He hasn't been able to do the full training but I really believe in his personality he's got something the team needs.
"He's just busting to get on the field, because he's going to get in charge of our people."
Whichever way it's served up next season, the men wearing No 6 and 7 will have plenty of experienced heads to turn to for help, with club legend Stacey Jones and new assistant coach Andrew McFadden on call whenever advice is needed.
"It's tough position to play half," Elliott said.
"Whether you've got 6 or 7 on your back, it's a tough position because it's not about what you bring with your performance, it's about your influence on the other 12 people on the field with you."
And that influence that could be diverted from the path expected by many Warriors fans.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/7965940/Shaun-Johnson-could-be-set-to-play-No-6/
 

ozbash

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Mateo was good at 6 with the Eels.

Thomas is equally ok at 6,7,9. Not flash but good.

Johnson is too big for 7 ?

Locke is a very good 6

Carlos needs time in the Vulcans

Pita is very underated at 9, 1, 7

Mara is a solid 9

If they are going to shuffle, I just hope that whoever he decides are going to be the playmakers, they call the shots and the team follows. Last season we had huge conflicts between 7 and 6 and confusion from Mateo interferring. Just about everyhome game I saw, there were heated discussions between Johnson and Mateo.
 

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Mateo was good at 6 with the Eels.

Thomas is equally ok at 6,7,9. Not flash but good.

Johnson is too big for 7 ?

Locke is a very good 6

Carlos needs time in the Vulcans

Pita is very underated at 9, 1, 7

Mara is a solid 9

If they are going to shuffle, I just hope that whoever he decides are going to be the playmakers, they call the shots and the team follows. Last season we had huge conflicts between 7 and 6 and confusion from Mateo interferring. Just about everyhome game I saw, there were heated discussions between Johnson and Mateo.

Wasnt Jason Smith from the Raiders a Front rower with the Bulldogs.
 

Scott

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Mateo was good at 6 with the Eels. 1 or 2 games. He's a back rower!

Thomas is equally ok at 6,7,9. Not flash but good. Agreed

Johnson is too big for 7 ? Rubbish.

Locke is a very good 6 Would he be able to handle the defensive load? I'm not sure. Besides, he's our best fullback by a distance.

Carlos needs time in the Vulcans Agreed

Pita is very underated at 9, 1, 7 Jack of all trades, master of none. Perfect 14.

Mara is a solid 9 Agreed, but Friend is an 80 minute hooker.
 

ozbash

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Scotty, Mateo played most of the season (1 year that I remember) at 6. Smith was the Parra coach, was a few years ago now..

Having an 80 minute hooker, good thing or not ?
 

Drzoidberg

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Ozbash, your memories on its way out! Brian Smith played Mateo once. 04, Mateos debut. Then Mateo went to London. In 06 Smithy did a job swap with Michael Hagan. He walked out in May leaving JT in charge with Hagan taking the reins in 07.

Mateo returned from London Broncos in 06 but didn't get a game in first grade. He got MOM in the premier league GF that year.

However he did play a little bit there in 08, he went alright but overall played like a ball playing backrower that went a bit overboard on cut out passing. Lead the league in offloads surprise surprise.
 

Scott

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Zoidberg is bang on the money.

Re an 80 minute hooker?? I think the game has moved to a stage where you need 2 dummy halves in the 17. The bloke on the bench needs to be a good runner. I like J Ro for this role. Call me crazy, but i think his best role is as an impact player. His jersey number is 14 imo.
 

ozbash

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However he did play a little bit there in 08, he went alright but overall played like a ball playing backrower that went a bit overboard on cut out passing. Lead the league in offloads surprise surprise.

There ya go, thanks doodleberg, had me worried there, briefly.
 

Iafeta

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Johnson too big?? For reals? He looked like a maltese-shih tzu in NYC. He's hardly too big to play 7. He had a good season in 11, for the first half he was good in 12, he like most of the others played like a busted turd for the back half of the year. Has nothing to do with his size. Besides, its not the size that matters, its how hard you row.
 

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No he's not, he's 5'10". You probably were milking the cows the times where's he's stepped past and then sped past defenders. Speed is the least of his problems. Defence is way more of an issue than speed.
 

Rich102

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For me the problem with SJ is his involvement in the game. He tends to drift in and out.
He is cool and classy, but I prefer to see a bit more aggression from my half. A bit more fox-terrier and a little less poodle.
 

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