Round 10 panthers v titans

[Smug Panther]

Ivan should give Leota a few weeks if the NRL doesn't. What a brain dead play in the current situation. Apart from that I did think that was his best game this year

 

[betcats]

Ivan should give Leota a few weeks if the NRL doesn't. What a brain dead play in the current situation. Apart from that I did think that was his best game this year

Yeah it was pretty dumb and not needed at all. The kick was shit we would've been in great field position off the back of it. Kickers will be very protected I would be telling guys to pressure them but do not tackle them, if you go to low you get there legs(of a kicker) and it is a penalty, to high and its a penalty and sin bin. Only tackle them if you can wrap them up safely, its to risky otherwise.

 

[The Realist]

That Martin call ended up being ridiculous...contact was on the chest and slipped up. That denied us one of the tries of the season and I am sure a few punters who had Kikau as a try scorer would be upset as well.

It sort of got the Titans back into the 'mini contest' as well. At that point with 20 minutes remaining I noticed how our players sort of clocked off and that resulted in 2 tries. That 2nd 1/2 was very underwhelming TBH - we were playing against 12 men and only won that contest 18-12. We should have cracked the 50 or even 60 mark and kept them to 1 try at best.

I suppose it is nice to have a have a team that we can still 'complain' about even when they win by 30+ but honestly we do have considerable room for improvement.

Next week will be extremely interesting against Souths - they will be very keen to get into us - especially with Latrelll raring to go after his suspension.

We will need to be better against them and that includes having Leniu in the team. Sorenson and Hopgood are both very capable but Spencer is a class above them. I really hope the reason he hasn't played is either a minor disciplinary issue or giving him time to get over a few niggles.

 

[Munted]

Yeah it was pretty dumb and not needed at all. The kick was shit we would've been in great field position off the back of it. Kickers will be very protected I would be telling guys to pressure them but do not tackle them, if you go to low you get there legs(of a kicker) and it is a penalty, to high and its a penalty and sin bin. Only tackle them if you can wrap them up safely, its to risky otherwise.

Spot on. The kicker is basically off limits these days and other than rushing up to apply pressure, there isn't much more you can do without adding risks of a penalty/sin bin etc.
Moses was a very silly boy last night, unnecessary and deserved a sit down.

 

[franklin2323]

Yep, I would get it if it hit his neck or face first but he put his arm into his chest and then it went up. Like the commentary said it happens a hundred times a game, they could have given a dozen penalties for similar ones in that game, it only got called because they were checking the try.

I think unless a player is on the ground out cold or something then don't go back. Like Bennett said the MRC will pick it up let the game flow some have to go and I don't think anyone argues with the send offs

 

[betcats]

Spot on. The kicker is basically off limits these days and other than rushing up to apply pressure, there isn't much more you can do without adding risks of a penalty/sin bin etc.
Moses was a very silly boy last night, unnecessary and deserved a sit down.

Yep the days of laying out halves off the ball are long gone.

 

[betcats]

I think unless a player is on the ground out cold or something then don't go back. Like Bennett said the MRC will pick it up let the game flow some have to go and I don't think anyone argues with the send offs

Yeah I dont like when they go back multiple plays to give a penalty.

 

[Pomoz]

The nrl have needed to penalise foul play properly for years but have been too scared because people inevitably complain. The send offs were all justified. Some of the sin bins were a bit soft but that's judging by a standard that needed changing anyway.

Also when the hell did a "textbook" fend involve the elbow/forearm? What sport have people been watching? A fend is suppose to be the hand.

Well said Westy. This was long overdue. There might have been a few soft sin bins but all the send offs were spot on. Tallis admitted the Titans' tackle was "a send off even when I was playing".

The type of tackle Fuimano and Papali did have always been treated as a penalty in the past. There was a view it was "accidental" no harm intended. It doesn't matter whether serious harm was intended or not, but Papali and Fuimano were so reckless the hit to the head was inevitable. The Papali tackle is the same type of tackle that broke RCG's jaw. Papenhasuen was stretchered off the field. They should have sent Fuimano off and then brought him back on so they could send him off twice!

Ian Roberts and Mario Fenech are just two players I know of with brain injuries from playing league. There are many more. Cordner hasn't played for 10 rounds. Friend was forced to retire. How could we tolerate this damage to players for so long? This started because the refs don't like to send blokes off because they get criticised by dinosaurs like Steve Roach.

Ricky Stuart is an idiot for saying what he did. The game is just as tough as it has ever been. The only difference is the cheap shots of lazy players like Papali will no longer be tolerated. It's about time.

 

[franklin2323]

No it hasnt. It was quiet last night but besides that Luai and Burton have been absolutely killing it as has To'o. I like Mom a lot and I defended him for his passing but its pretty clear that Critta is much better at setting up Staines than Mom and his defence has been awesome, his running game is back to its best.

The last 4 weeks

Crichton - 594m, 10 tackle busts, 1 line break, 4 line break assists, 3 try assists. 3 tries

Burton - 315m, 5 tackle busts, 2 line breaks, 0 linebreak assists, 1 Try Assist, 2 tries

It isn't even a Mom v Burton thing.

Luai is only 50 games into his career and a smaller half, Kikau teams know he is dangerous so either have him marked well or run at him to tire him out. Toó is short so sides kick to him

So I think you need a proper centre out there for the harder stuff. Like the kicks we look shaky out that side. Even yesterday there were a few penalties for escorting that I don't think a given if we have a more experienced centre that knows where to stand to make it look like they are going for the ball.

Even May at centre scores the tries Burton has from the quality inside but it is the hard stuff that that side of the field needs help with

 

[franklin2323]

Well said Westy. This was long overdue. There might have been a few soft sin bins but all the send offs were spot on. Tallis admitted the Titans' tackle was "a send off even when I was playing".

The type of tackle Fuimano and Papali did have always been treated as a penalty in the past. There was a view it was "accidental" no harm intended. It doesn't matter whether serious harm was intended or not, but Papali and Fuimano were so reckless the hit to the head was inevitable. The Papali tackle is the same type of tackle that broke RCG's jaw. Papenhasuen was stretchered off the field. They should have sent Fuimano off and then brought him back on so they could send him off twice!

Ian Roberts and Mario Fenech are just two players I know of with brain injuries from playing league. There are many more. Cordner hasn't played for 10 rounds. Friend was forced to retire. How could we tolerate this damage to players for so long? This started because the refs don't like to send blokes off because they get criticised by dinosaurs like Steve Roach.

Ricky Stuart is an idiot for saying what he did. The game is just as tough as it has ever been. The only difference is the cheap shots of lazy players like Papali will no longer be tolerated. It's about time.

Ricky aside because it was his side is anyone complaining about the send offs?

I wouldn't say soft penalties cost anyone but that NQ/Roosters game was nicely poised until a BS sin bin. As to the Sharks/Rabbits game until the going back 4 plays garbage. It is a different game if those calls were refereed correctly

That is why there needs to be a grey area but any high shot that takes a player out should always be off. The Bunker missed 2 poor tackles and as result get this over the top reaction

 

[chrisD]

Centres are just benefitting from playing non existent defences lately. They're not doing anything special.

 

[betcats]

The last 4 weeks

Crichton - 594m, 10 tackle busts, 1 line break, 4 line break assists, 3 try assists. 3 tries

Burton - 315m, 5 tackle busts, 2 line breaks, 0 linebreak assists, 1 Try Assist, 2 tries

It isn't even a Mom v Burton thing.

Luai is only 50 games into his career and a smaller half, Kikau teams know he is dangerous so either have him marked well or run at him to tire him out. Toó is short so sides kick to him

So I think you need a proper centre out there for the harder stuff. Like the kicks we look shaky out that side. Even yesterday there were a few penalties for escorting that I don't think a given if we have a more experienced centre that knows where to stand to make it look like they are going for the ball.

Even May at centre scores the tries Burton has from the quality inside but it is the hard stuff that that side of the field needs help with

Burton has been in great form his numbers above prove it, if you think May could match his form in centres fine but that is where I jump off the discussion it is getting silly now IMO. Burton and Critta are now the first choice centres and it would a big form drop from one of them for it to change. Burtons combination with Luai is beautiful they have a real feel for eachother. One of the escorts was Luai, one was Burton natural centres give away escort penalties all the time it doesnt mean anything.

 

[betcats]

Well said Westy. This was long overdue. There might have been a few soft sin bins but all the send offs were spot on. Tallis admitted the Titans' tackle was "a send off even when I was playing".

The type of tackle Fuimano and Papali did have always been treated as a penalty in the past. There was a view it was "accidental" no harm intended. It doesn't matter whether serious harm was intended or not, but Papali and Fuimano were so reckless the hit to the head was inevitable. The Papali tackle is the same type of tackle that broke RCG's jaw. Papenhasuen was stretchered off the field. They should have sent Fuimano off and then brought him back on so they could send him off twice!

Ian Roberts and Mario Fenech are just two players I know of with brain injuries from playing league. There are many more. Cordner hasn't played for 10 rounds. Friend was forced to retire. How could we tolerate this damage to players for so long? This started because the refs don't like to send blokes off because they get criticised by dinosaurs like Steve Roach.

Ricky Stuart is an idiot for saying what he did. The game is just as tough as it has ever been. The only difference is the cheap shots of lazy players like Papali will no longer be tolerated. It's about time.

None this changes the fact that the penalty on Martin was bullshit, they could have had 100 penalties like that across the weekend. Putting your forearem into someones chest will never go out of the game its not dangerous or illegal. A couple more weekends like we just had and Vlandys will cave and tell the refs to dial it back I am positive of that, he reacts to criticism.

It doesnt matter how hard they come down on it there will be accidental high shots. Teddy was literally on his knees when someone accidently got him high and was sin binned, that is complete garbage. Penalty sure but to sin bin someone for that is pathetic, like Nathan said you can't just disappear if a guys falls from his feet to his knees and gets a little shot to the head it should not be a sin bin. There is a big difference between that and say what moses leota did, treating them the same is stupid and will change the game dramatically.

 

[Smug Panther]

None this changes the fact that the penalty on Martin was bullshit, they could have had 100 penalties like that across the weekend. Putting your forearem into someones chest will never go out of the game its not dangerous or illegal. A couple more weekends like we just had and Vlandys will cave and tell the refs to dial it back I am positive of that, he reacts to criticism.

It doesnt matter how hard they come down on it there will be accidental high shots. Teddy was literally on his knees when someone accidently got him high and was sin binned, that is complete garbage. Penalty sure but to sin bin someone for that is pathetic, like Nathan said you can't just disappear if a guys falls from his feet to his knees and gets a little shot to the head it should not be a sin bin. There is a big difference between that and say what moses leota did, treating them the same is stupid and will change the game dramatically.

Great post

 

[WestyLife]

None this changes the fact that the penalty on Martin was bullshit, they could have had 100 penalties like that across the weekend. Putting your forearem into someones chest will never go out of the game its not dangerous or illegal. A couple more weekends like we just had and Vlandys will cave and tell the refs to dial it back I am positive of that, he reacts to criticism.

It doesnt matter how hard they come down on it there will be accidental high shots. Teddy was literally on his knees when someone accidently got him high and was sin binned, that is complete garbage. Penalty sure but to sin bin someone for that is pathetic, like Nathan said you can't just disappear if a guys falls from his feet to his knees and gets a little shot to the head it should not be a sin bin. There is a big difference between that and say what moses leota did, treating them the same is stupid and will change the game dramatically.

The only reason anyone's complaining about the Martin penalty is because team bias.

Agree with the rest. Tedesco particularly is creating a dangerous situation by squating into tackles.

 

[Pomoz]

None this changes the fact that the penalty on Martin was bullshit, they could have had 100 penalties like that across the weekend. Putting your forearem into someones chest will never go out of the game its not dangerous or illegal. A couple more weekends like we just had and Vlandys will cave and tell the refs to dial it back I am positive of that, he reacts to criticism.

It doesnt matter how hard they come down on it there will be accidental high shots. Teddy was literally on his knees when someone accidently got him high and was sin binned, that is complete garbage. Penalty sure but to sin bin someone for that is pathetic, like Nathan said you can't just disappear if a guys falls from his feet to his knees and gets a little shot to the head it should not be a sin bin. There is a big difference between that and say what moses leota did, treating them the same is stupid and will change the game dramatically.

As I said earlier, they will find the balance with a bit of fine tuning. Once they get the difference between reckless and accidental defined with more clarity, sin bins for minor hits won't happen. It's not perfect yet, but is a massive improvement to a game that used to watch players get stretchered off and just a penalty was given.

There was only a handful of penalties that were for minor stuff at the weekend. Most of the time they got it right. Now that refs feel its ok to sin bin players, the game will reduce head high shots very quickly.

As for Martin, I agree with Westy on this. A forearm bumper is not a fend. Even if it only hit him in the chest, cocking the forearm isn't allowed because if you get it wrong, somebody cops the point of an elbow. I agree it was soft, because there was no damage caused, but it was illegal and Martin needs to adjust his technique so he doesn't get penalised when it really matters in a close game.

 

[betcats]

As I said earlier, they will find the balance with a bit of fine tuning. Once they get the difference between reckless and accidental defined with more clarity, sin bins for minor hits won't happen. It's not perfect yet, but is a massive improvement to a game that used to watch players get stretchered off and just a penalty was given.

There was only a handful of penalties that were for minor stuff at the weekend. Most of the time they got it right. Now that refs feel its ok to sin bin players, the game will reduce head high shots very quickly.

As for Martin, I agree with Westy on this. A forearm bumper is not a fend. Even if it only hit him in the chest, cocking the forearm isn't allowed because if you get it wrong, somebody cops the point of an elbow. I agree it was soft, because there was no damage caused, but it was illegal and Martin needs to adjust his technique so he doesn't get penalised when it really matters in a close gamer.

Forearm bumpers are perfectly fine as long as they arent high, I mean its just a basic rugby league technique, hitting someone in the chest with a forearm is not going to cause a brain injury there is no reason for it to be cracked down on.

 

[betcats]

The only reason anyone's complaining about the Martin penalty is because team bias.

Sorry mate but that is bullshit. The only people I have seen say it was a fair penalty was a couple of penrith fans such as yourself. Most fans and commentators called it a terrible penalty. Both the fox commentators said it was a bad penalty and forearm bumpers like that are very common and have been for 100 years.

 

[WestyLife]

Forearm bumpers are perfectly fine as long as they arent high, I mean its just a basic rugby league technique, hitting someone in the chest with a forearm is not going to cause a brain injury there is no reason for it to be cracked down on.

Even if first contact was chest it still went high and got the neck(I have to re watch it) that'd come under accidental/careless high contact. Penalty, no sin bin and no suspension like any high tackle that's similar.

 

[betcats]

Even if first contact was chest it still went high and got the neck(I have to re watch it) that'd come under accidental/careless high contact. Penalty, no sin bin and no suspension like any high tackle that's similar.

That happens so many times in a game, to cherry pick it once and say its a penalty is stupid IMO. Its not dangerous at all. I can understand the crackdown on high shots but what Martin did was fine, if they are going to pull that up every time someones forearm slides up to someones neck the game is going to change, when is the last time you saw someone get hurt or knocked out by a ball carriers forearm? It is very rare and already gets penalised when it does happen, there is no need to change the way that part of the game is handled.