Round 14 Vs Sharks

[snickers007]

This is the rule:

(d) the Referee may award a penalty try if, in his opinion, a try would have been scored but for the unfair play of the defending team.

There was a swinging arm by Jennings that contacted both the ball and the head of the ball carrier (albeit with not a great amount of force hence it was a grade 1). We're talking semantics here. If the swinging arm had not contacted the head, the try would still not have been scored. I'd argue that the ball was knocked out legally whereas the high shot was illegal. The fact that they happened within milliseconds or which happened first is irrelevant.

Anyway its better that this decision goes against us in a game we were losing anyway, rather than a GF as happened last year.

The NRL don't play by the International Laws of the Game - which is where your definition of a penalty try comes from.

They have their own set of guidelines and KPI's which they play by - and while most of them are heavily guided by the International Laws, there are a lot of gaps (like above).

It's borderline impossible to find any official documentation that covers all of it, which is highly frustrating.

The other thing to keep in mind is that knocking the ball out/stripping is ruled differently in the field of play versus in the in-goal for some reason. Most of the time a strip/knock out in the field of play is ruled as a knock on against the player carrying the ball. In the in-goal, it is mostly ruled as 6 more, no knock on.

As such in the above, the ball is knocked out by Jennings, no knock on by Tigers. The Tigers player is then fouled by the high tackle, and fails to regather the ball to claim the try. And by that order of events, the standard International Laws of the Game ruling of Penalty Try can be applied.

As you said, it's bullshit semantics, and completely ignores any understanding of the game and how it is played. But most of all it seems to be applied with very little consistency from match to match, week to week and referee to referee.

 

[WestyLife]

 

[mxlegend99]

So the kick return of QLD 200m. NSW 138m

Had no say in the field position?

You realise this was largely determined by the pack getting beaten?

Queensland were able to stop our back 3 getting metres because they didnt need to kick far as they dominated field position. There was no room for our backs to run as every chase was a short one and the room to return kicks was minimal.

Queenslands back 3 had much more room because we were kicking from inside our 40 giving them lots of time before we could make contact. Kick return metres are not why they dominated field position and possession. Dominating those areas is why they got so many kick return metres.

60 metres from NSW were actually Junior Paulo and Daniel Saifiti. We had 4 backs make a combined 78 kick return metres. Holmes and Allan each made nearly as many metres as our backs combined.

QLDs backs were given room by their forwards. NSW backs and halves were not given any space. You tried making this exact point about halves, possession and field position etc. And then suddenly backflip on it in regards to Cleary and Origin. It's insane the standard you have for him. About the only way a half could do what you expect Cleary (and only Cleary) to do is if they were built like Villiame Kikau with the speed of Josh Addo-Carr, the heart and fire of JFH and footy brain of Andrew Johns and Cameron Smith to be able to physically carry their forward pack to get onfront foot and then making something happen for himself.

Unfortunately footy is a team game though, and even the absolute best players in every position require the guys around them to do their job reasonably well at the very least. Halves need a pack making metres and a good dummy half giving the quality service and hopefully asking questions of the defence to buy him time to do his job.

If one player could win games on his own at all leveld you could fill the rest of the team with min wage players

 

[The_Frog]

I'd have to watch the game again to find specifics but:

Badly beaten forward pack in SOO 3?

QLD forward metres

Welsch 77
Papalli 90
Kaufusi 110
Capewell 82
Tino 140
Collins 165
Arrow 93
Sua 22

Total 749

NSW

Saifiti 140
Haas 35
Crichton149
Frizzell 48
Jake T 98
Paulo 110
Yeo 108
Finucane 83

Total 771

Total runs were 199 QLD. 195 NSW

Total kicks QLD 27-26

Cleary kicked a 40/20. Which I don't think we scored off

Kick metres NSW 840- 600

From memory it was the lack of variation on the last that I thought was poor.

Bombs NSW 8-5
Grubbers QLD 10-3

The lack of pressure from a good kick or different kicks allowed quick play the balls and the QLD back 3 to start sets better which led to the possession etc instead of the pack.

Take the play the ball speeds from the back 3

QLD
Holmes 3.06s
Edrick Lee 2.41s
Allan 3.96s

NSW
Tedesco 3.99s
Tupou 3.41s
JAC 4.08s

That allows the QLD line to get set sooner. Which in turn means you make no metres early in sets.

Club games Cleary and Reynolds are the best at controlling the tempo. Controlling this sort of stuff.

Except for possession everything is close stats wise. Which leads to poor kick/chase as being the huge issue

Take errors
NSW 11- QLD 10

Penalties NSW 7-6
6 agains 3 all

Missed tackles
QLD 26 - NSW 22

Forced Drops outs
QLD 2-1

So most of the stats across the board was even. It was ending sets and starting sets that was the issue

It was a close run thing, decided by the refusal to give a penalty try when AddoCarr was taken out chasing the Yeo kick ingoal.

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Panthers Jersey Flegg coach Ben Harden has named his side to face Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks at Netstrata Jubilee Oval on Friday.


The Panthers are looking to bounce back to form against the fifth-placed Sharks after suffering three losses on the trot.
1. Tyrone SAU
2. Ethan CLARK-WOOD
3. Cody LAWSON
4. Matthew FAAUILA
5. Kristian LI-MAI
6. Niwhai PURU
7. Hayden BONANNO
8. Liam HENRY
9. Luke SOMMERTON
10. Brad FEARNLEY
11. Mavrik GEYER
12. Ativalu LISATI
13. Hohepa PURU
14. Connor MASON
15. Valance HARRIS
16. Hanna EL-NACHAR
17. Elone TAUFA
18. Ilai TUIA

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Panthers NSW Cup coach Peter Wallace has named his squad to face Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks at Henson Park on Saturday.


The Panthers are boosted by the return of Jaeman Salmon and Lindsay Smith from the NRL squad, and Taylan May is available for selection after serving his one-game suspension.
1. Brent NADEN
2. Luke NADURUTALO
3. Thomas JENKINS
4. Sunia TURUVA
5. Taylan MAY
6. Jaeman SALMON
7. Kurt FALLS
8. Billy TSIKRIKAS
9. Brendan HANDS
10. Eddie BLACKER
11. John FAIUMU
12. Arthur CRICHTON
13. Lindsay SMITH


14. Soni LUKE
15. Alec SUSINO
16. Anton IARIA
17. Vito TEVAGA

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Panthers coach Ivan Cleary has named his squad to face Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks at Netstrata Jubilee Oval on Friday.


The Panthers have been permitted to name a 23-man squad as a result of the club's State of Origin representation.


Apisai Koroisau has been named at hooker and the six other Origin representatives have been named in the reserves.


Moses Leota returns from suspension while Izack Tago retains his spot on the bench after making his NRL debut last week.


The Panthers will wear the 2021 Home Jersey.
1. Dylan EDWARDS - sponsored by Soneta Plumbing
2. Charlie STAINES - sponsored by Chemtools
3. Stephen CRICHTON - sponsored by Protech Locksmiths
4. Paul MOMIROVSKI - sponsored by Hertz
5. Robert JENNINGS - sponsored by Granville PlastaMasta
6. Matt BURTON - sponsored by Wisdom Dental and Denture Clinic
7. Tyrone MAY - sponsored by CC Tyres Penrith
8. Moses LEOTA - sponsored by East Blaxland Butchery
9. Apisai KOROISAU - sponsored by Casella Express
10. James FISHER-HARRIS (c) - sponsored by Hix Group
11. Viliame KIKAU - sponsored by Fornari's Interior Linings
12. Scott SORENSEN - sponsored by MKJ Projects
13. Matt EISENHUTH - sponsored by Chardon & Abbott Home Loans


14. Mitch KENNY - sponsored by Wright Way Plumbing & Civil
15. J'maine HOPGOOD - sponsored by Cetnaj Wetherill Park
16. Spencer LENIU - sponsored by Potter Automotive
17. Izack TAGO - sponsored by El Gringos Locos
18. Isaah YEO - sponsored by Stylus Blinds
19. Nathan CLEARY - sponsored by Uphire
20. Liam MARTIN - sponsored by Lonestar Rib House & Brews Penrith
21. Jarome LUAI - sponsored by You. Me. Brand. Now.
22. Kurt CAPEWELL - sponsored by OAK Plus
23. Brian TO'O - sponsored by OAK Plus

 

[WestyLife]

Panthers coach Ivan Cleary has named his squad to face Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks at Netstrata Jubilee Oval on Friday.


The Panthers have been permitted to name a 23-man squad as a result of the club's State of Origin representation.


Apisai Koroisau has been named at hooker and the six other Origin representatives have been named in the reserves.


Moses Leota returns from suspension while Izack Tago retains his spot on the bench after making his NRL debut last week.


The Panthers will wear the 2021 Home Jersey.
1. Dylan EDWARDS - sponsored by Soneta Plumbing
2. Charlie STAINES - sponsored by Chemtools
3. Stephen CRICHTON - sponsored by Protech Locksmiths
4. Paul MOMIROVSKI - sponsored by Hertz
5. Robert JENNINGS - sponsored by Granville PlastaMasta
6. Matt BURTON - sponsored by Wisdom Dental and Denture Clinic
7. Tyrone MAY - sponsored by CC Tyres Penrith
8. Moses LEOTA - sponsored by East Blaxland Butchery
9. Apisai KOROISAU - sponsored by Casella Express
10. James FISHER-HARRIS (c) - sponsored by Hix Group
11. Viliame KIKAU - sponsored by Fornari's Interior Linings
12. Scott SORENSEN - sponsored by MKJ Projects
13. Matt EISENHUTH - sponsored by Chardon & Abbott Home Loans


14. Mitch KENNY - sponsored by Wright Way Plumbing & Civil
15. J'maine HOPGOOD - sponsored by Cetnaj Wetherill Park
16. Spencer LENIU - sponsored by Potter Automotive
17. Izack TAGO - sponsored by El Gringos Locos
18. Isaah YEO - sponsored by Stylus Blinds
19. Nathan CLEARY - sponsored by Uphire
20. Liam MARTIN - sponsored by Lonestar Rib House & Brews Penrith
21. Jarome LUAI - sponsored by You. Me. Brand. Now.
22. Kurt CAPEWELL - sponsored by OAK Plus
23. Brian TO'O - sponsored by OAK Plus

We'll be a little better in the middle with Fish/Leota/Api. May better pick his game up.

 

[ACTPanthers]

Urrggghhh May in the 7 makes me ill...

 

[snickers007]

Oh dear. Gonna be a long week in Panther Land.
I refuse to believe that May will run out at half. But given the fact that Salmon has not been named in the squad, I'm not sure what the alternative is if Cleary and Luai don't back up.

 

[mxlegend99]

Team looks better just adding Api and Moses. Throw in one of our Origin halves and Martin it should get the job done. If that's the 1 to 17 i wouldn't put any money on us

 

[roofromoz]

Surely a switch of the 6 and 7? I mean, Burton played at half when we beat the Storm in Round 3. I dunno, the rest of the team looks OK, wouldn't be wise to play the ones backing up, hence why they have been named on the reserves.

 

[Smug Panther]

Team looks better just adding Api and Moses. Throw in one of our Origin halves and Martin it should get the job done. If that's the 1 to 17 i wouldn't put any money on us

Last time I'll say it tge halves won't play

 

[ACTPanthers]

IC really does seem to have a soft spot for May... I think the bloke could take a shit on the field and Ivan would just say how good the fertiliser is.

 

[WestyLife]

IC really does seem to have a soft spot for May... I think the bloke could take a shit on the field and Ivan would just say how good the fertiliser is.

I really don't get it. Any other club would've dropped him by now.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

IC really does seem to have a soft spot for May... I think the bloke could take a shit on the field and Ivan would just say how good the fertiliser is.

Is it because he knows where the bodies are buried ?

Just a thought.

 

[Vicpanther]

Tago
I would almost rest kiks after last week and run tago.

 

[Pomoz]

We'll be a little better in the middle with Fish/Leota/Api. May better pick his game up.

Yeah, we want 50 tackles this time at 100% instead of 97.8%, bludging barsteward........

 

[WestyLife]

Yeah, we want 50 tackles this time at 100% instead of 97.8%, bludging barsteward........

If he's gonna be a tackle bot put him at lock.

 

[pantherz9103]

Tyrone May named at 7 again. If Nathan is rested and May plays 7 again we're just asking to get beaten.