Round 17 Penrith V Brisvegas.

[WestyLife]

depends if we want to rest the halves in last 2 games

The way Ivan spoke about it seems they won't but I guess they could do it.

 

[The_Frog]

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When at the games I have a running joke from 2003, anyone but Marty lang please.....(as Marty only ever scored about 3 tries in his whole career) I went 1/2 a season in 2003 / 04 where I got dear old Marty every single fortnight.....GRRRRRRR

Two tries and seven nudie runs in 176 games. At least he got a premiership ring.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Two tries and seven nudie runs in 176 games. At least he got a premiership ring.

Have a great deal of love for Martie Lang......great clubman.

 

[The_Frog]

From Martin Lang's Wikipedia entry:

Lang is now a qualified Exercise Scientist and is involved in the medical device industry. He has a research interest in the neuropathology of traumatic brain injury and the biomechanics of intervertebral disc degeneration.

Looks like all those Adrian Morley high shots were nothing more than mossie bites for Martie.

 

[franklin2323]

The way Ivan spoke about it seems they won't but I guess they could do it.

not so much for the starters but guys like Burton surely needs a game before finals. Hasn't started since Round 4. Played limited minutes off the bench

 

[Westernised Panther]

not so much for the starters but guys like Burton surely needs a game before finals. Hasn't started since Round 4. Played limited minutes off the bench

You would think that he gets a bit of game time in the games against the Cowboys & Bulldogs. Especially if we win the next two games and have the minor premiership sewn up

 

[franklin2323]

You would think that he gets a bit of game time in the games against the Cowboys & Bulldogs. Especially if we win the next two games and have the minor premiership sewn up

That is the 1st step. Hopefully Souths do us a favour this week

 

[mxlegend99]

On the flip side. ave 99m gained a game. 75% tackle efficiency. Only 3 kick returns

So still plenty to see before it can be said he should be in the top backline

Being in the system awhile doesn't mean they are always a good NRL player

His second game he only played 27 minutes. Over such a small amount of game time that has a huge impact on his averages.

First game he gained 157m.
Second game he gained 47 metres in 27 minutes.

Average it out to an 80 minute performance and it's just shy of 150 metres which is roughly what he gained in his first appearance. So try scoring aside he looks to be around a 150 metre per game winger.

That said what about his strike rate for scoring tries. None of our other wingers have come close so that this year,l

Staines in 100 minutes of football has as many tries as Mansour does in 15 rounds of football. He has 14 linebreaks which indicates we create opportunities for him but his scoring rate is low.

Even Brian To'o on the same wing Staines has played only has 3 tries in 9 games. Half as many tries in nearly 5 times as many minutes.

Now obviously Charlie is not going to be able to sustain close to a strike rate of one try per 20 minutes of football. But it's a safe bet that he would convert more opportunities on average than most other wingers. It's a shame he's not playing this week. If any team is going to give him a chance at another 4 try haul it was the Broncos.

 

[BxTom]

His second game he only played 27 minutes. Over such a small amount of game time that has a huge impact on his averages.

First game he gained 157m.
Second game he gained 47 metres in 27 minutes.

Average it out to an 80 minute performance and it's just shy of 150 metres which is roughly what he gained in his first appearance. So try scoring aside he looks to be around a 150 metre per game winger.

That said what about his strike rate for scoring tries. None of our other wingers have come close so that this year,l

Staines in 100 minutes of football has as many tries as Mansour does in 15 rounds of football. He has 14 linebreaks which indicates we create opportunities for him but his scoring rate is low.

Even Brian To'o on the same wing Staines has played only has 3 tries in 9 games. Half as many tries in nearly 5 times as many minutes.

Now obviously Charlie is not going to be able to sustain close to a strike rate of one try per 20 minutes of football. But it's a safe bet that he would convert more opportunities on average than most other wingers. It's a shame he's not playing this week. If any team is going to give him a chance at another 4 try haul it was the Broncos.

Sivo looked great for a while too. Undoubtedly, management value him higher than Sivo (they didn't want to keep Sivo), but let's wait until he's played a few more games before we make him king.

 

[mxlegend99]

Sivo looked great for a while too. Undoubtedly, management value him higher than Sivo (they didn't want to keep Sivo), but let's wait until he's played a few more games before we make him king.

You say that like Sivo has failed and can't be good. Mansour has gone through worse patches of form for extended periods of time. Edwards last year was about as bad as it gets for a while there... Although he bounced back pretty quickly considering how bad he was.

If you wrote every player off for good after a small bit of bad form there wouldnt me many/any NRL players left.

In our roster there has been a line through every player in the team. So picking a random player like Sivo as if he's some sort of failure is laughable. He's still sitting 6th on the try scorers list with twice as many tries as any of our wingers and is playing for a top 4 squad. He's not at peak form right now. But he's not exactly a failure either.

 

[franklin2323]

His second game he only played 27 minutes. Over such a small amount of game time that has a huge impact on his averages.

First game he gained 157m.
Second game he gained 47 metres in 27 minutes.

Average it out to an 80 minute performance and it's just shy of 150 metres which is roughly what he gained in his first appearance. So try scoring aside he looks to be around a 150 metre per game winger.

That said what about his strike rate for scoring tries. None of our other wingers have come close so that this year,l

Staines in 100 minutes of football has as many tries as Mansour does in 15 rounds of football. He has 14 linebreaks which indicates we create opportunities for him but his scoring rate is low.

Even Brian To'o on the same wing Staines has played only has 3 tries in 9 games. Half as many tries in nearly 5 times as many minutes.

Now obviously Charlie is not going to be able to sustain close to a strike rate of one try per 20 minutes of football. But it's a safe bet that he would convert more opportunities on average than most other wingers. It's a shame he's not playing this week. If any team is going to give him a chance at another 4 try haul it was the Broncos.

To'o scores all those tries he scored. It isn't like he did anything other then run.

As it stands he is the smallest winger in the comp with only 3 Kick returns.

Compare that too To'o aver 13 kick returns a game

Mansour 14 kick returns.

Too small of sample size to say if he can or can't handle that side of the game

Also no idea if defensively he is up to it for sure.

I have no doubt he and Whare will get another game before the finals but neither makes the top side.

Staines with another off season and 5-10kg weight is another story though

 

[franklin2323]

You say that like Sivo has failed and can't be good. Mansour has gone through worse patches of form for extended periods of time. Edwards last year was about as bad as it gets for a while there... Although he bounced back pretty quickly considering how bad he was.

If you wrote every player off for good after a small bit of bad form there wouldnt me many/any NRL players left.

In our roster there has been a line through every player in the team. So picking a random player like Sivo as if he's some sort of failure is laughable. He's still sitting 6th on the try scorers list with twice as many tries as any of our wingers and is playing for a top 4 squad. He's not at peak form right now. But he's not exactly a failure either.

Sivo has terrible defence and at 27 years old maybe too late to learn.

Different circumstances him and 19yo Staines

 

[franklin2323]

Sivo looked great for a while too. Undoubtedly, management value him higher than Sivo (they didn't want to keep Sivo), but let's wait until he's played a few more games before we make him king.

Yep. No doubt amazing with the ball but NRL is both sides of the ball

 

[herbert henry1908]

Sivo has terrible defence and at 27 years old maybe too late to learn.

Different circumstances him and 19yo Staines

Sivo’s defence isn’t great, but it doesn’t need to be. If you’re scoring at almost a try a game you’re a valuable asset.

 

[herbert henry1908]

To'o scores all those tries he scored. It isn't like he did anything other then run.

As it stands he is the smallest winger in the comp with only 3 Kick returns.

Compare that too To'o aver 13 kick returns a game

Mansour 14 kick returns.

Too small of sample size to say if he can or can't handle that side of the game

Also no idea if defensively he is up to it for sure.

I have no doubt he and Whare will get another game before the finals but neither makes the top side.

Staines with another off season and 5-10kg weight is another story though

You’re forgetting the dive for the corner against the Sea Eagles, that was much more than just running.

Plus

To’o doesn’t set up the try for Edwards that Staines did in the sharks game, no one in our team is capable of that.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It’s not the 6 tries that make Staines special, it’s his pure speed. You can’t coach it.

Take that try the tigers put in early in the game last week. Tigers wouldn’t even have attempted that on Staines wing.

With that said I wouldn’t be bringing him into the team unless there’s an injury, or we have first place sewn up. But next year he’s on the wing if we re-sign him.

 

[Original Name]

Just on Staines replacing Mansour. Mansour has our long service cap relief. Do we even have a second player that qualifies for it if we get rid of Mansour assuming we let Tamou go?

 

[MugaB]

Wouldn't be bad to let Api have another week if needed. Kenny is probably the best back up hooker in the comp.

Definitely thought Capewell would go to the bench for Burns and should make us a little better.

As much as i can agree with my panthers hat on, i disagree, its a coin toss between brandon smith, and tom starling, for this year

 

[mxlegend99]

To'o scores all those tries he scored. It isn't like he did anything other then run.

As it stands he is the smallest winger in the comp with only 3 Kick returns.

Compare that too To'o aver 13 kick returns a game

Mansour 14 kick returns.

Too small of sample size to say if he can or can't handle that side of the game

Also no idea if defensively he is up to it for sure.

I have no doubt he and Whare will get another game before the finals but neither makes the top side.

Staines with another off season and 5-10kg weight is another story though

Right. We just happened to create 500% more opportunities while Staines was on the field than we have with To'o. Staines is a bit faster and that tiny bit of extra pace can make a huge difference between scoring or not.

Kick returns are a stat that's largely out of the players hands... And it says more about the opposition than the player. They kick to the player they want returning the ball and/or the guy they don't want taking the next carry.

Charlie Staines IMO is most comparable to Ryan Papenhuyzen early on. You could apply the same concerns to him. Under a poor coach or in a poor team he could be a failure. Or his talent wasted. He could be severely limited in reaching his potential like Tedesco was at Tigers.

Under a good coach in a good team that is able to utilise his skills he has superstar potential. If Staines left us he would do well to choose Roosters or Storm. They're two teams that could fix or limit any flaws he has and make the most of what he does. Every player has flaws or atleast areas where others are better.

I dont expect Charlie to be in our top 17 this year. Or for him to bulk up that much in a short period of time without either juicing or sacrificing some pace. But youre deadset trying to nitpick potential flaws in a player. Do the same to Mansour for any player and no one is NRL ready.

Peak Josh Mansour wouldn't have been an NRL player if you nitpicked his flaws (like Souths did in saying he wasn't NRL quality)

He's slow for a winger. Has poor hands at times. He's hesitant to contest kicks. Good for an unforced error. He's on the shorter side and not overly athletic etc.

Didnt stop him being one of the best wingers in the NRL for a bit. Now he has more flaws or those ones have gotten worse and he's still an NRL winger in the team coming first.

 

[franklin2323]

You’re forgetting the dive for the corner against the Sea Eagles, that was much more than just running.

Plus

To’o doesn’t set up the try for Edwards that Staines did in the sharks game, no one in our team is capable of that.

Ok. 5 Tries no assists

Still have the stuff To'o does at the other end of the field which is the unknown with Staines