Round 19 Vs Raiders

[franklin2323]

i think you forgot to mention the part where katoa kicked the ball into the fullback who got the intercept and ran

Or the 3 penalties he gave away. It was 14-0 Mounties way until 15 mins left.. No one can say they should be in 1st grade

 

[Kilkenny]

I have no idea why Katoa fell down the pecking order but for mine he is a better option than Kenny and Egan.

I am not blaming in way todays loss on the shoulders of either Kenny or Egan but I just don’t see how they are a better option than Katoa.

Frankly picking both in addition to Laui of the bench is just wasting a bench spot.

 

[OldPanther]

Tbf, I thought Egan had a good game today but I don't think he's comprehensively outplayed Kenny in every single week since injury.

Yeah probably an overstatement but for someone to say the guy who has a line break assist and try assist was worse than the guy who had none is worse.

Not Kenny's fault he isn't a hooker. Should be used like Brandon Smith is

Exactly. We are actually good when both are on and Egan plays hooker.

 

[PenrithPanther45]

Going forward, against the better teams, I think the key is to have more players pushing up in support. Second-phase play is often the best way to crack some of those more strong defensive sides like Canberra. Cleary took the line on today for example, made a break and no-one was there in support in time except for Yeo. I think if we have the likes of Tamou, JFH and the other forwards hit it up, spin around and offload for someone like Edwards or Luai to take advantage of a potentially staggered defensive line that is where we could find success. We just don't seem to be able to execute the set moves and sweeping plays that other teams can. Our movements just aren't fast and slick enough.

 

[OldPanther]

I have no idea why Katoa fell down the pecking order but for mine he is a better option than Kenny and Egan.

I am not blaming in way todays loss on the shoulders of either Kenny or Egan but I just don’t see how they are a better option than Katoa.

Frankly picking both in addition to Laui of the bench is just wasting a bench spot.

These responses probably explain it:

i think you forgot to mention the part where katoa kicked the ball into the fullback who got the intercept and ran

Or the 3 penalties he gave away. It was 14-0 Mounties way until 15 mins left.. No one can say they should be in 1st grade

 

[OldPanther]

Going forward, against the better teams, I think the key is to have more players pushing up in support. Second-phase play is often the best way to crack some of those more strong defensive sides like Canberra. Cleary took the line on today for example, made a break and no-one was there in support in time except for Yeo. I think if we have the likes of Tamou, JFH and the other forwards hit it up, spin around and offload for someone like Edwards or Luai to take advantage of a potentially staggered defensive line that is where we could find success. We just don't seem to be able to execute the set moves and sweeping plays that other teams can. Our movements just aren't fast and slick enough.

Our first try was a beautiful set play but we didn't do any again which was weird.

 

[tripster]

Tbf, I thought Egan had a good game today but I don't think he's comprehensively outplayed Kenny in every single week since injury.

I lost count of the number of passes from Egan that Maloney and Cleary basically had to catch above their heads. My gripe with Egan is his service. It is rarely crisp. It usually costs our halves and forwards a few seconds each time, which makes all the difference particularly 20 metres out from the opposition line.

I am sure this is the main reason why Cleary sees him as a bench option and (before today) only brought him on near the end of games once Kenny is completely gassed.

 

[franklin2323]

Our first try was a beautiful set play but we didn't do any again which was weird.

It was back to the 1st 15 rounds of get to the 20. One out then ordinary kick

 

[PenrithPanther45]

Our first try was a beautiful set play but we didn't do any again which was weird.

I know it caught me by surprise. The Canberra winger made a defensive mistake I think so maybe they just rectified that. It's what Moylan used to be great at, he'd get those plays flowing with much less rust (for lack of a better word). Luai is a great game breaker but the downside of that is he can be too frantic and too sideways. Matt Burton has looked quite promising in both Flegg and now Cup but I'm not sure another rookie is the answer.

 

[franklin2323]

I know it caught me by surprise. The Canberra winger made a defensive mistake I think so maybe they just rectified that. It's what Moylan used to be great at, he'd get those plays flowing with much less rust (for lack of a better word). Luai is a great game breaker but the downside of that is he can be too frantic and too sideways. Matt Burton has looked quite promising in both Flegg and now Cup but I'm not sure another rookie is the answer.

Nah Burton not yet. Still goes missing in game.Our structure goes missing inside the 20 not on to a single individual player

 

[age.s]

I lost count of the number of passes from Egan that Maloney and Cleary basically had to catch above their heads. My gripe with Egan is his service. It is rarely crisp. It usually costs our halves and forwards a few seconds each time, which makes all the difference particularly 20 metres out from the opposition line.

I am sure this is the main reason why Cleary sees him as a bench option and (before today) only brought him on near the end of games once Kenny is completely gassed.

Yeah I see a bit of that too but not as much today. I gave him a couple of points as he did some deceptive work for Tamou's try and very nearly put RCG over moments before. I think he's dangerous close to the line which is something we lack.

 

[OldPanther]

Yeah I see a bit of that too but not as much today. I gave him a couple of points as he did some deceptive work for Tamou's try and very nearly put RCG over moments before. I think he's dangerous close to the line which is something we lack.

Kenny is better in defence and Egan better at attack which is why I think it works when they are on together. They make an odd but good partnership in the middle.

 

[Westernised Panther]

Going forward, against the better teams, I think the key is to have more players pushing up in support. Second-phase play is often the best way to crack some of those more strong defensive sides like Canberra. Cleary took the line on today for example, made a break and no-one was there in support in time except for Yeo. I think if we have the likes of Tamou, JFH and the other forwards hit it up, spin around and offload for someone like Edwards or Luai to take advantage of a potentially staggered defensive line that is where we could find success. We just don't seem to be able to execute the set moves and sweeping plays that other teams can. Our movements just aren't fast and slick enough.

I agree with this.

The amount of times I scream out “WHERE’S THE BLOODY SUPPORT?” during our games is frustrating. Players in the past like Izzard, Wesser, Campbell, Coote, Gordon, etc. would be doing this regularly throughout games.

 

[Panfa]

How good was fisher harris take of the maloney chip and offload for leota try fisher harris is without a doubt our best forward this yr got merv Cartwright medal written all over him

 

[tripster]

Kenny is better in defence and Egan better at attack which is why I think it works when they are on together. They make an odd but good partnership in the middle.

I don’t think there is any evidence for Egan being better in attack than Kenny. The statistics bear that out. The statistics also don’t tell the whole story - I watch almost every single Panthers home game at the ground, and it is my unbiased observation that Egan’s service is worse than Kenny’s.

Anyway based upon the NRL statistics Egan has played 13 games for us this season (excluding today) with no try assists and no line break assists. He has scored one try and has forced 2 drop outs. His average running metres per game is 18.5 metres. His average fantasy points per game are 26.

Kenny has played 7 games (excluding today) and has 1 try assist. He has forced no drop outs. His average running metres per game is 22. His average fantasy points per game is 34.

 

[Panfa]

Rd 20 vs the dogs 1.edwards 2.mansour 3.whare 4.naden 5.t'oo 6.maloney 7.cleary 13.yeo 12.fisher harris 11.winterstein 10.tamou 9.kenny 8.leniu 14.leota 15.campbell gillard 16.martin 17.egan

 

[OldPanther]

I don’t think there is any evidence for Egan being better in attack than Kenny. The statistics bear that out. The statistics also don’t tell the whole story - I watch almost every single Panthers home game at the ground, and it is my unbiased observation that Egan’s service is worse than Kenny’s.

Anyway based upon the NRL statistics Egan has played 13 games for us this season (excluding today) with no try assists and no line break assists. He has scored one try and has forced 2 drop outs. His average running metres per game is 18.5 metres. His average fantasy points per game are 26.

Kenny has played 7 games (excluding today) and has 1 try assist. He has forced no drop outs. His average running metres per game is 22. His average fantasy points per game is 34.

So you're going to exclude Egan's try assist today just because? It was even in a game we lost against the second best defensive team in the game. Convenient.

I'm not a fan of this guy just because it seemed like a good idea at the time. Everyone here on this forum said to look out for him so I did and he impressed me. Like a lot of people this year (excluding Fish who is our best) he doesn't look to be playing his best football. As @franklin2323 said Kenny isn't necessarily a hooker.

I wish I didn't have work because I'd debunk the myth of his service being slow with game footage to back it up.

 

[Dave's mate]

Katoa's inability to pass a football rules him out for me

 

[Flashstep]

Egan and Kenny are both average but the fact that Kenny basically came from nowhere and jumped 2 hookers in the pecking order should scream volumes, I know Egan has had massive wraps on him for ages but I don’t really understand why, him stepping out from dummy half before passing just slows the play down, has poor service a lot of the time and against the Raiders he threw a lot of suspect passes. At least Kenny plays the role fundamentally well.

Manly have told Korisau he can look elsewhere, he should be our number 1 priority and Kenny should be used like Brandon Smith as a 14.

Also using Luai off the bench is not helping the team or Luai himself, put him back to reserve grade so he can refine his game before next season, although truth be told I think we’re going to miss Maloney big time anyway.

 

[OldPanther]

Egan and Kenny are both average but the fact that Kenny basically came from nowhere and jumped 2 hookers in the pecking order should scream volumes, I know Egan has had massive wraps on him for ages but I don’t really understand why, him stepping out from dummy half before passing just slows the play down, has poor service a lot of the time and against the Raiders he threw a lot of suspect passes. At least Kenny plays the role fundamentally well.

Manly have told Korisau he can look elsewhere, he should be our number 1 priority and Kenny should be used like Brandon Smith as a 14.

Also using Luai off the bench is not helping the team or Luai himself, put him back to reserve grade so he can refine his game before next season, although truth be told I think we’re going to miss Maloney big time anyway.

It's interesting how ideas spread through a group. Just by talking and reading. The idea that Egan has bad service is fundamentally flawed yet is spreading like a weed. I was actually discussing the idea with a Souths fan elsewhere.

Also Cook steps out every single time and he's the best hooker in the game. They are the exact same style(don't mistake style and quality) of hooker except Our forwards don't get the quick play the balls. Cook has guys like Cameron Murray who currently had the fastest PTB. I guarantee if we can get our forwards winning the ruck our hooker look better but our props are quite slow.

Fish and Leota are good in the ruck statistically with play the ball speed so maybe Leota should actually get a few more minutes maybe?

Kenny also didn't jump Egan. Egan was injured and has built up to this week he played more minutes than Kenny.