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Round 2 Vs Bulldogs [THE MATT BURTON CUP]- Bankwest Stadium 3pm Sat

Aliceinwonderland

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Saturday's game will be a slog fest. It will be tough. This continual rain will play into the dishlickers hand. It is NOT a gimmee win.
 

The Teach

Juniors
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OMG, this is comical.

Funniest bit about that is his comment about an extraordinary amount...makes you wonder how much he's going to be paid at the bought-not-bred bulldogs?

Laundy can pi$$ off, we should come out and say the pressure the wankers are applying in the media means no matter what they offer for an early release, there will be no deal. No more discussions.
 

Panther2021

Juniors
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1st Cut (this should send the cat amongst the pigeons):

Panthers coach Ivan Cleary has reduced his squad to face Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs at Bankwest Stadium on Saturday.

Rob Jennings and Matt Burton have been omitted from the squad and will play in the NSW Cup fixture against Mounties.

The Panthers will wear the 2021 Away Jersey.
 

Jane Murray

Bench
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Here's another article, in which I screen shot from the zero tackles website.

I said in the pre-season that the Bulldogs completed arguably the best recruitment drive of NRL club. The only argument comes in the form of the Titans. Despite a Round 1 loss, I completely stand by that.

They were able to sign an Origin quality outside back in Nick Cotric, a currently QLD Origin fullback in Corey Allan, a monster forward in Jack Hetherington as well as their long-term option at seven in Kyle Flanagan.

Although it will take time for the side to gel and the desired results to eventuate, Dogs fans will look back upon the 2020 into 2021 off-season as one of great importance.

That said, there remains one GLARING error the Dogs brass made that could ultimately prove very costly, at least in the short-term.

The decision by the Bulldogs not to do absolutely everything within their power to bring Matt Burton to the club with immediate effect.

Reports prior to Round 1 indicated that the Panthers were willing to let their back-up half move a year earlier than required if the Dogs were willing to send a player in the opposite direction.

The player supposedly requested by the Panthers was former Origin prop Dylan Napa.

I, still to this moment, cannot believe the Dogs didn’t stamp the deal that very second and wish their now former player the best before the Panthers changed their mind.

Ivan Cleary has been quoted as saying although there were discussions re Napa but that Burton would not have been released. I don’t believe that. Surely Cleary would have released Burton to fill the only weakness within his own squad, that being an experienced bench prop.

Of course we can’t confirm nor deny these reports but assuming they are correct, any indecision by the Bulldogs makes zero sense to me.

If not Napa, surely the Dogs make the immediate swap for any other forward other than Jackson, RFM or Elliott.

If the Bulldogs were 100% serious about Burton moving across, I have no doubt that they could make it happen. Penrith aren’t going to deny the move to hurt a side that (with all due respect) are not Premiership threats this season.

That said, the Panthers are well within their rights to deny the early request unless fairly compensated. Calls for the Panthers to release Burton early so he can play first grade right away are admirable but not practical.

The Panthers have an ace they can call upon should there by an injury to either first choice half or an outside back. Burton can come in and play a role with absolute ease.

It’s a shame that Burton won’t be running out in first grade this weekend. This time in 12 months though he’ll be running out in the halves for the Dogs in hopefully his second or third game.

It’s up to the Bulldogs to go to Penrith and do whatever it takes to ensure Burton makes the switch now. Force Penrith’s hand by offering up something they can’t resist.

Again, Burton will be there at the end of the season, but a year of the halve’s playing together is FAR more important than a bench front rower. Promote Stimson to the front row or blood a young kid.

With all due respect to the Dogs and their fans, they’re not a premiership threat this year. 2021 is about 2022. Get Burton in, promote a kid to the bench and 2022 starts on a step forward you wouldn’t have otherwise.

Having sponsors trash the Panthers in the media is hilarious but counterproductive.

If anything it’ll make Penrith dig their heels in deeper. It also puts poor Jake Averillo in a horror position. How would he feel seeing news re people begging Penrith to release his replacement?

If the Dogs aren’t going to push it through, back your young five-eighth. If Averillo has a big season it forces decisions moving forward.

Heading into Round 2 the Bulldogs have two options;

1. Do EVERYTHING they can do get Burton. Offer up Napa and say your “pretty pleases”

OR

2. Cease all talk about Burton and focus on the player you have in that position right now.

Send a memo to all players, coaches, staff and sponsors: No more Burton talk.

Either go all in and get it done, or throw full support behind current players and focus on getting as close to the finals as possible.

Ultimately Penrith will have the final say but knowing that Tyrone May is waiting in the wings I can’t see them brushing away advances should their valuation re a player swap be met.

It’s not as though Penrith didn’t literally just release their contracted, back up fullback in a player swap or anything …
 

Pomoz

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In fairness to Gus he has always been about looking after the players interests first and foremost, he demonstrated that time and time again during his most recent tenure with us.

There is no doubt it is in Burton’s best interest to be granted a release early to join the Bulldogs.

It is not in our clubs best interests and we are entirely entitled to hang onto to him as first choice cover for either Cleary or Luai should one or both incur injuries or are selected for SOO.
But it may not be, that was my earlier point. If they are getting flogged every week , that is a terrible environment for a rookie half.

I am sure Luke Brooks potential was damaged by playing for a club that was never really competitive. All its good players left and become better players as a result. What habits do you learn as a rookie playing and training in a club that has a losing culture?

if it turns out Barrett has turned it around and the Dogs are good this year, then fair enough, Burton could have got good experience playing at the Dogs. Let’s see what happens first...........
 

The_Frog

First Grade
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Zero Tackles said:
It’s not as though Penrith didn’t literally just release their contracted, back up fullback in a player swap or anything …

The thing these two bit journos, and even apparently the higher echelon ones (like Paul Kent), have trouble understanding is that just because a club decides player A can be done without that doesn't mean player B can be done without as well, especially when we're getting Player B at a substantial discount to his true value which is the whole point of developing players. The club has done its sums and decided that Burton is staying. They probably don't want Napa on their books at the salary he would expect to receive in subsequent years.

Option 2 above is the one the Bulldogs should now follow, for the good of their current line-up and especially the 6..
 

YoungPanther

Juniors
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The Zero tackle guy must be a dogs fan.
Cotric - good player - agreed
Allan - wasn't going to make Souths side and Sauce did
Jack - obviously from home, so take a strong interest, but the Warriors didn't sign him when offered, after playing there off the bench
Flanagan - Robinson saw enough of him in 12 months to get rid of him.

As for the Dogs, they are a tad like kids with a Christmas present under the tree, they can't wait to play with it, as they have nothing else to do in the lead up to Christmas.
 

Jane Murray

Bench
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The Zero tackle guy must be a dogs fan.
Cotric - good player - agreed
Allan - wasn't going to make Souths side and Sauce did
Jack - obviously from home, so take a strong interest, but the Warriors didn't sign him when offered, after playing there off the bench
Flanagan - Robinson saw enough of him in 12 months to get rid of him.

As for the Dogs, they are a tad like kids with a Christmas present under the tree, they can't wait to play with it, as they have nothing else to do in the lead up to Christmas.
I thought the Warriors offered Hetherington a contract, and he declined it stating a preference to stay in NSW?
 

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