Round 2 vs Penrith

[Dragsters]

Said it over and over but the coach needed to give him more of Norman's game time last year. By now we'd be reaping the reward.

Amone is important for us. The only thing that could possibly pry him from the 6 is a fit Sullivan and I think that'd be a great problem to have.

I still think giving Junior and Bud stints in the 6 could be the way to go for both of their development.

As it stands now with Maccas injury, if Bud is fit he comes in at 14 or even 9, sharing the duties with Mbye.

This gives Junior a bit more time to develop his game at 6 and if and when the rigours of first grade take their toll, he gets a spell and Bud steps into the 6, by that time Macca should be back into the hooker rotation.

Anyone got news on Buds injury status?

 

[Gardenia]

Too early, give him time. He laid on a good soft hands pass to Sua which was a positive
I said he is already a well marked man and other teams know his right foot step
he is not overplaying his hand yet
people expect miracles that young players can just walk into NRL and play well every week
That is the reason we cant have the 3 rookies out there together running the team just yet

ok Gotcha

 

[kit66]

It could be be my red and white eyes but Lomax was already moving in before the ball was kicked for his sin bin Api no sin bin for offside on Kerr or penalty try Penrith were allowed to lay all over us slowing things down doesnt leave anytime for Amone to create stick with him

If Koroisau doesn't get involved Kerr reaches out and scores. His actions constitute a professional foul, penalty and 10 minutes in the bin. Lomax doesn't move his feet, he leans left and braces, a penalty but not a sin bin. Su'a's hit is almost simultaneous and he makes contact but doesn't complete the tackle, only warranted a penalty if that but O'Sullivan milks it. Under the new rules O'Sullivan shouldn't have been allowed back on the field.

So now we have another official in the game, the Bunker Doctor and more dodgy calls and stoppages, the ruination of Rugby League continues. Get rid of the bunker, the doctor, the six agains, the Captains challenge and let us get on with the game ffs.

The wrestle and hold downs seem to have made a come-back this year and the refs aren't policing it, which just means it'll get worse and worse and in a few months the NRL will finally react and there'll be an over the top crackdown again. Penrith against us and against Manly last week got away with murder.

 

[Gardenia]

Amone needs a lot of time in reggies....he's not a first grade 5/8 yet...i thought he was ready but he looks very very tentative on the ball Mbye at 5/8 for me ....

Or Sullivan

 

[kit66]

Yep, Ramsey brought very little to the arm wrestle. Less than 1/3 of the metres RAVALAWA made. Moga would suit that game more.

I've been critical of Ramsey at times too but last night the ball went nowhere near him. Penrith kicked every kick to Rava and had Koroisau, Kikau and others there to greet him and we went wide to the left maybe just twice the whole game. Ramsey and Suli both could have come in field to take some runs and give their forwards a break but it wasn't really that sort of game. What Ramsey did well though was really nailed his one on one tackles and made the most of it when he did get the ball. I'm warming to him, he's been good so far this year. You want to give Moga a run give him Lomax's jersey for a couple of weeks.

 

[SBD82]

The criticism of Amone in here is laughable.

We had two former Qld reps managing the game who botched their jobs. McCullough’s service was awful, and Hunt’s game management was no better.

But sure. Attack the Rookie who was given nothing to work with by his experienced spine partners.

 

[TruSaint]

Good effort last night.

Just a couple of brain snaps, and some dubious calls by the ref.

Thought the forwards went really well, and Mbye was terrific. Rav had a great game running the ball back , caught everything bar the one that could have won us the match.

He ran for over 180 metres.

2 players in the bin was the difference.

Side note, the crowd noise in particular in the second half was reminiscent of times past. Was awesome.

 

[baggygreen man]

All too often our attack gets bogged down centrefield because we have no one in the halves with ball in hand skill. Ben has a good kicking game, Junior individual skills but neither are creative such as putting a player into a gap. Does Amone need some time in ressies to work on his game reading and ball skills. Mybe is more of a playmaker, has vision and a clever kicking game as we all saw in the late Lomax try. He could slot into either half, 5/8 or hooker easily.

 

[Gardenia]

Good effort last night.

Just a couple of brain snaps, and some dubious calls by the ref.

Thought the forwards went really well, and Mbye was terrific. Rav had a great game running the ball back , caught everything bar the one that could have won us the match.

He ran for over 180 metres.

2 players in the bin was the difference.

Side note, the crowd noise in particular in the second half was reminiscent of times past. Was awesome.

Yes! the spirit is back baby

 

[dannyt]

If Koroisau doesn't get involved Kerr reaches out and scores. His actions constitute a professional foul, penalty and 10 minutes in the bin. Lomax doesn't move his feet, he leans left and braces, a penalty but not a sin bin. Su'a's hit is almost simultaneous and he makes contact but doesn't complete the tackle, only warranted a penalty if that but O'Sullivan milks it. Under the new rules O'Sullivan shouldn't have been allowed back on the field.

So now we have another official in the game, the Bunker Doctor and more dodgy calls and stoppages, the ruination of Rugby League continues. Get rid of the bunker, the doctor, the six agains, the Captains challenge and let us get on with the game ffs.

The wrestle and hold downs seem to have made a come-back this year and the refs aren't policing it, which just means it'll get worse and worse and in a few months the NRL will finally react and there'll be an over the top crackdown again. Penrith against us and Manly last week got away with murder.

You just know any "crackdown" will hit us first, and probably last.

Agree with what you say about Koroisau. Argument for a penalty try, IMO. An illegal act has prevented a certain try.

 

[dannyt]

Good effort last night.

Just a couple of brain snaps, and some dubious calls by the ref.

Thought the forwards went really well, and Mbye was terrific. Rav had a great game running the ball back , caught everything bar the one that could have won us the match.

He ran for over 180 metres.

2 players in the bin was the difference.

Side note, the crowd noise in particular in the second half was reminiscent of times past. Was awesome.

Good points. I thought we looked much better with Mbye at hooker, and Rav was fantastic up until the very end.

The crowd was great, but only a touch over 10,000. The time slot was crap, but I was hoping we'd have a few more, given the lack of games at Kogarah over the past 2 years, our re-build, fan expectations, and we were playing a Sydney team who are also the premiers.

 

[TruSaint]

Good points. I thought we looked much better with Mbye at hooker, and Rav was fantastic up until the very end.

The crowd was great, but only a touch over 10,000. The time slot was crap, but I was hoping we'd have a few more, given the lack of games at Kogarah over the past 2 years, our re-build, fan expectations, and we were playing a Sydney team who are also the premiers.

Yeah agree mate.

7.30 pm slot against the premiers would have brought the crowd even more into play.

Im gutted, but still encouraged.

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

Sutton is a referee of ill repute, he blatantly ripped any chance the Dragons had of winning that game from them with his one sided decision in the first half.
He is a blight on the game,& should be suspended from
1st grade.

He is certainly a blight on the Dragons. We have a terrible record in games he has reffed.

 

[jeffdragon]

Real gutsy effort last night, proud of the team & as others have mentioned in previous years we get lapped, especially by a team such as Penrith.

I know it’s a tough gig but these refs are the worst in the last decade. Sutton junior ALWAYS looks like a deer in headlights who’s about to breakout in tears & continuously stuffs up games yet he always gets one of the better games?

Last week McCullough was penalised for having his arm around the neck of a warriors player yet Kikau puts players in headlocks & it’s play on. Even last night Bird penalised for a “slap” to the neck WTF.

Martin at one stage in the first half led with his head & shoulder with no arms & contacted Bird flush on the nose which probably broke it, Play on?
If that was Rava, Moose,Su’a or Fui I know what would happen.

Apologies for the rant, will now go take my blood pressure tablets lol.

Well summerised.
Wee are entitled to a rant after the officiating of that game.

 

[Crush]

Good effort but execution and discipline again cost is the points.
We have to stop giving away stupid penalties.
The Su’a sin bin was a tough call but at the end of the day he didn’t need to hit him, it was unnecessary. He was just trying to be a tough guy and it cost us.
De Belin right in front of our goal line all over the play the ball, 6 again, they score off that set.
Discipline.
You can kind of cop the drop balls and clunky attack as they are a work in progress but must get the discipline right.
Anyway, effort was great, encouraging.

 

[Pomoz]

I confess I am a Panthers fan and want to add a bit of balance to this discussion.

The 1st sin bin was contentious, but it was early enough in the game to give you a chance to recover. During that period the Panthers lost their halfback for HIA and were quite clunky in attack and To'o was on one leg. Furthermore, the try scored by Spencer Leniu was through the middle of your defence and had nothing to do with being stretched with a man down. It was just soft. Kikau scored 10m from the posts. Again, soft, not because you had a man down. You have to own that. The two tries were about mental fatigue, not the loss of a player. Your heads had dropped.

Contrast the second half sinbin. You conceded no points. You were up for it. Fired up, bashing the Panthers and right in the game. If you had that attitude for the first sin-bin, Leniu wouldn't have strolled though like he was out for a scenic walk.

The final penalty count was 6 - 7. The Dragons had possession for 31 minutes versus the Panthers 25 minutes.
The Panthers lost their star winger (he is normally worth 200m a game, the best in the NRL), and their number one prop JFH. It had a massive impact on the Panther's ability to roll down the field.

You didn't lose because of the refs, you made more metres, had more possession and made more offloads. You lost because you have a few rookies and aren't quite there yet with the tough mentality that teams like the Storm have. Last week the Storm lost three players including two to season ending injuries and were already missing a few star players and yet still won the game.

I am sure you will improve as your rookies get more game time and that will also help your mental toughness. You have a good tough pack and I think you will have a good year, good luck guys.

 

[Gold_Coast Dragon]

I've been critical of Ramsey at times too but last night the ball went nowhere near him. Penrith kicked every kick to Rava and had Koroisau, Kikau and others there to greet him and we went wide to the left maybe just twice the whole game. Ramsey and Suli both could have come in field to take some runs and give their forwards a break but it wasn't really that sort of game. What Ramsey did well though was really nailed his one on one tackles and made the most of it when he did get the ball. I'm warming to him, he's been good so far this year. You want to give Moga a run give him Lomax's jersey for a couple of weeks.

If the roles were reversed and all the play went to Ramsey, Rava would have gone searching for ways to contribute and found them.

 

[Trifili13]

Su'a no case to answer and Burgess fined $1,000 or can fight charge and if losses it's $1,500. What a joke for Burgess. Either he hit him high or late and should cop a week or whatever or he is free. It's like saying I'm sort of pregnant. You either are or you aren't. NRL admin is a joke.

 

[Crush]

I confess I am a Panthers fan and want to add a bit of balance to this discussion.

The 1st sin bin was contentious, but it was early enough in the game to give you a chance to recover. During that period the Panthers lost their halfback for HIA and were quite clunky in attack and To'o was on one leg. Furthermore, the try scored by Spencer Leniu was through the middle of your defence and had nothing to do with being stretched with a man down. It was just soft. Kikau scored 10m from the posts. Again, soft, not because you had a man down. You have to own that. The two tries were about mental fatigue, not the loss of a player. Your heads had dropped.

Contrast the second half sinbin. You conceded no points. You were up for it. Fired up, bashing the Panthers and right in the game. If you had that attitude for the first sin-bin, Leniu wouldn't have strolled though like he was out for a scenic walk.

The final penalty count was 6 - 7. The Dragons had possession for 31 minutes versus the Panthers 25 minutes.
The Panthers lost their star winger (he is normally worth 200m a game, the best in the NRL), and their number one prop JFH. It had a massive impact on the Panther's ability to roll down the field.

You didn't lose because of the refs, you made more metres, had more possession and made more offloads. You lost because you have a few rookies and aren't quite there yet with the tough mentality that teams like the Storm have. Last week the Storm lost three players including two to season ending injuries and were already missing a few star players and yet still won the game.

I am sure you will improve as your rookies get more game time and that will also help your mental toughness. You have a good tough pack and I think you will have a good year, good luck guys.

All fair points mate.

 

[Trifili13]

I confess I am a Panthers fan and want to add a bit of balance to this discussion.

The 1st sin bin was contentious, but it was early enough in the game to give you a chance to recover. During that period the Panthers lost their halfback for HIA and were quite clunky in attack and To'o was on one leg. Furthermore, the try scored by Spencer Leniu was through the middle of your defence and had nothing to do with being stretched with a man down. It was just soft. Kikau scored 10m from the posts. Again, soft, not because you had a man down. You have to own that. The two tries were about mental fatigue, not the loss of a player. Your heads had dropped.

Contrast the second half sinbin. You conceded no points. You were up for it. Fired up, bashing the Panthers and right in the game. If you had that attitude for the first sin-bin, Leniu wouldn't have strolled though like he was out for a scenic walk.

The final penalty count was 6 - 7. The Dragons had possession for 31 minutes versus the Panthers 25 minutes.
The Panthers lost their star winger (he is normally worth 200m a game, the best in the NRL), and their number one prop JFH. It had a massive impact on the Panther's ability to roll down the field.

You didn't lose because of the refs, you made more metres, had more possession and made more offloads. You lost because you have a few rookies and aren't quite there yet with the tough mentality that teams like the Storm have. Last week the Storm lost three players including two to season ending injuries and were already missing a few star players and yet still won the game.

I am sure you will improve as your rookies get more game time and that will also help your mental toughness. You have a good tough pack and I think you will have a good year, good luck guys.

Your argument about Storm winning against adversity last week - they were playing what I consider the spoon favourites. I'm sure if they were playing one of the top teams the outcome would have been different.

Penalty counts are deceiving. It's matters where and when you get them, and should you have had more. So saying the 6-7 means nothing unless you also give context. I lost count of the times Kikau was lying on the player and looking around to see if the defensive line was set before getting off.

Can't be bothered poking holes into your other comments like the sin bin was still early in the game and we have overcome it.