Round 22 v The Sharks

[soc123_au]

We’re going around in circles. I’m sure we both understand both perspectives if not necessarily going to agree.

Maybe during the lesser years I too provided criticism of certain players I don’t quite remember.

I always thought Petero had a dig in his time with us but others didn’t share my opinion.

Fan forums go figure.

Petero was more because he was on crazy money and from memory involved himself in shit outside his lane. On field he always put in to the best of his ability, just arguable if it was enough to justify the size of the pay cheque.

And yeah, I think we are on the same page, just different paragraphs. Ha ha.

I love the success we are having now. Never in my life did I think we would have a period of dominance like this. Problem is it's addictive and I don't want it to end. As good as we are there is still areas we could be better and I believe others feel the same and that drives a lot of the discussion which is seen as criticism for the sake of being critical. In the end all of us want the same thing, to keep being insanely good.

 

[Pomoz]

Criticism warranted or not doesn't equal hate. Thats why when you hate brussells sprouts you say you hate them, you dont critique them. 2 very different things.

I don't understand, I love Brussels sprouts...

 

[soc123_au]

I don't understand, I love Brussels sprouts...

I like them too, as long as they aren't boiled to death.

 

[Munky]

Petero was more because he was on crazy money and from memory involved himself in shit outside his lane. On field he always put in to the best of his ability, just arguable if it was enough to justify the size of the pay cheque.

And yeah, I think we are on the same page, just different paragraphs. Ha ha.

I love the success we are having now. Never in my life did I think we would have a period of dominance like this. Problem is it's addictive and I don't want it to end. As good as we are there is still areas we could be better and I believe others feel the same and that drives a lot of the discussion which is seen as criticism for the sake of being critical. In the end all of us want the same thing, to keep being insanely good.

The ghosts of 05 to 07 haunt me.

A brilliant young team with one of the best spines ever assembled.

Dropping from 1st to last in a mere five years with the core of the premiership squad.

 

[Munky]

I like them too, as long as they aren't boiled to death.

I'm from a household with British parents.

Anything that hasn't been boiled to tasteless mush isn't cooked.

Let's not get started on any spice/seasoning outside of salt...

 

[Pomoz]

Petero was a good example of a great player, but not a leader. Our club was not competitive while he was here, not all his fault, but his criticsm of the board just created a division in the club.

He was also an example of why you don't pay a fortune for props. You can't balance your team with a good spine if you gave too much spent on props. Bennett said that out loud and its why he drove him to the airport and waved him off to the Panthers with the words "take the money son, you would be crazy not to ".

 

[age.s]

I don't understand, I love Brussels sprouts...

Monster!

 

[Pomoz]

I'm from a household with British parents.

Anything that hasn't been boiled to tasteless mush isn't cooked.

Let's not get started on any spice/seasoning outside of salt...

I blame the French and Italians. The Italians were in London for 200 years. The French conquered half of England for 140 years. Did either of them teach us to cook? Bastar#s. We gave them jellied Eels, sandwiches and custard, what did they leave us with? Would it have killed them to teach us how to cook?

 

[age.s]

I remember views on Petero being overall positive, with the price tag caveat. From memory things went south with rumours of white anting new management as things were changing towards the end of Elliotts time here.

 

[Kilkenny]

I blame the French and Italians. The Italians were in London for 200 years. The French conquered half of England for 140 years. Did either of them teach us to cook? Bastar#s. We gave them jellied Eels, sandwiches and custard, what did they leave us with? Would it have killed them to teach us how to cook?

I think they may have been out off for our love of black pudding. Bacon, eggs, toast and black pudding.

 

[soc123_au]

I blame the French and Italians. The Italians were in London for 200 years. The French conquered half of England for 140 years. Did either of them teach us to cook? Bastar#s. We gave them jellied Eels, sandwiches and custard, what did they leave us with? Would it have killed them to teach us how to cook?

Don't sell the sandwich short as a gift to the culinary world. A good one can be spectacular and it also gives the ladies a purpose in life. ***Last bit may be tongue in cheek****

A full English is pretty bloody good too.

 

[MugaB]

I love the success we are having now. Never in my life did I think we would have a period of dominance like this. Problem is it's addictive and I don't want it to end. As good as we are there is still areas we could be better and I believe others feel the same and that drives a lot of the discussion which is seen as criticism for the sake of being critical. In the end all of us want the same thing, to keep being insanely good.

This is a development club
Dylan Edwards developed into the best fullback
Mitch Kenny and Wayde Egan developed into great hookers
Isaiah Yeo developed into the best middle ever
Issac Tago is on his way to being one of the best centres in the game
The long list goes on how many great players are getting pumped out, soni luke is no different to mitch kenny when he entered 1st grade... now we praise mitchs efforts and worry when or if he gets injured or suspended, the same as when we worried 2 years ago when apisai would be out of a game
In 3 years from now we'll be annoyed we lost sommerton to the dogs, and are nursing some new prospect, whilst hoping luke never gets injured

 

[Girds89]

I was just bouncing of what Kilkenny said about being objective. Those criticisms were objective. Greg alexander himself has commented on Dyl and his struggles earlier.View attachment 77613

Theres a reason why the club stuck by dyl when he had a bad run of form and injuries.

Whilst it wasnt obvious to you or a lot of other posters...

It was blatantly obvious to me and a select few on here and most importantly the key people at the club that he was a champion player.

Hes work ethic is of the highest level and thats always been obvious..

Ive never ever heard the club put him down or doubt him even when he was out of form.

Id imagine as a coach, every so often you come across a player who just has elite quality..

Not talking about skill.. just desire, drive, a hunger to always be better, a will to win..

None of us were at training 5 days a week and watching dyl turn into the player he is but im 1000% sure the reason ivan has always undoubtedly backed dyl is cause he posses all those qualities...

In a way hes similar to cam smith... not the most talented or athletically gifted bloke... but just a hunger to win...

I honestly dont think penrith would be in the position they are over the last 3 or so years without dyl..

Whilst people like you choose to see hes failings from years ago like avg ball playing... the important people saw the traits that really mattered... the 100% commitment every week, every training session.. the extras...

Ive read comments from you and smug and others over the last few years along the lines of "no one couldve predicted dyls rise and how good hed get"...

That is 110% bs imo.. i never doubted him and that was just from watching him week to week at games.. could see the commitment off the ball and the elite level fitness..

I could only imagine how confident ivan amd co were in him.. ivan has always backed him and so have the players..

Brandy is a paid commentstor, he has a job based on drama and creating headlines.. i bet behind closed doors he knew exactly what dyl was capable off...

I think you and a few others have very very short memories about how hard you were riding dyl... some of the crap i read after critta had only played a few games was embarrassing haha..

I get people have opinions... and it can bring heated debates and people are passionate.. but i think sometimes our fans and posters on here are way way to quick to hammer players.

Kenny has been a whipping boy...
People hammered tago last year...
This year its soni luke from you and the same people that hammered dyl and kenny and tago last year..

Just give them time..

Lukes shown tremendous resilience to stick with league after a horror run of serious injuries and ges kept coming back... hes got fit and fought hes way into the team coming first in the comp...

Yeah hes getting limited mins and hes a bit frantic at times when hes on...

But im tipping Ivan's keeping him around because hes seen what i see and thats the positives..

The slight of hand, the craftiness, the short kicking game, the ball playing close to the line.... theres been snippets all year that have shown glimpses of what he can do..

And he obviously has the heart otherwise he wouldve given up years ago..

Maybe everyone shouldn't be so quick to write blokes off...

 

[Nealo 12]

I grew up in Orchard Hills and my family is still there. I know Penrith from the Black Stump and Sizzler days. Many of my younger Saturday nights spent at the Daily Planet.

You young wiper snapper, what about Lady Jade night club and Jilly’s hot dogs in the shell servo top of high street

 

[WestyLife]

Theres a reason why the club stuck by dyl when he had a bad run of form and injuries.

Whilst it wasnt obvious to you or a lot of other posters...

It was blatantly obvious to me and a select few on here and most importantly the key people at the club that he was a champion player.

Hes work ethic is of the highest level and thats always been obvious..

Ive never ever heard the club put him down or doubt him even when he was out of form.

Id imagine as a coach, every so often you come across a player who just has elite quality..

Not talking about skill.. just desire, drive, a hunger to always be better, a will to win..

None of us were at training 5 days a week and watching dyl turn into the player he is but im 1000% sure the reason ivan has always undoubtedly backed dyl is cause he posses all those qualities...

In a way hes similar to cam smith... not the most talented or athletically gifted bloke... but just a hunger to win...

I honestly dont think penrith would be in the position they are over the last 3 or so years without dyl..

Whilst people like you choose to see hes failings from years ago like avg ball playing... the important people saw the traits that really mattered... the 100% commitment every week, every training session.. the extras...

Ive read comments from you and smug and others over the last few years along the lines of "no one couldve predicted dyls rise and how good hed get"...

That is 110% bs imo.. i never doubted him and that was just from watching him week to week at games.. could see the commitment off the ball and the elite level fitness..

I could only imagine how confident ivan amd co were in him.. ivan has always backed him and so have the players..

Brandy is a paid commentstor, he has a job based on drama and creating headlines.. i bet behind closed doors he knew exactly what dyl was capable off...

I think you and a few others have very very short memories about how hard you were riding dyl... some of the crap i read after critta had only played a few games was embarrassing haha..

I get people have opinions... and it can bring heated debates and people are passionate.. but i think sometimes our fans and posters on here are way way to quick to hammer players.

Kenny has been a whipping boy...
People hammered tago last year...
This year its soni luke from you and the same people that hammered dyl and kenny and tago last year..

Just give them time..

Lukes shown tremendous resilience to stick with league after a horror run of serious injuries and ges kept coming back... hes got fit and fought hes way into the team coming first in the comp...

Yeah hes getting limited mins and hes a bit frantic at times when hes on...

But im tipping Ivan's keeping him around because hes seen what i see and thats the positives..

The slight of hand, the craftiness, the short kicking game, the ball playing close to the line.... theres been snippets all year that have shown glimpses of what he can do..

And he obviously has the heart otherwise he wouldve given up years ago..

Maybe everyone shouldn't be so quick to write blokes off...

You've just said the same thing we have about Luke. Can the club develop him into a top tier first grader? Anyone would be delusional to say no ivan made Brooks halfback of the year ffs but don't tell me it's unreasonable for people to have these questions. At this rate of development he'll be ready to go for 2024 at the earliest. Chins and myself have spoken directly about finals this year and also his age. He needs to get going at some point or he'll be left behind.

As for dyl it's been done to death but your making an emotional argument because he's one of your favourites. The club had Staines and critta as back up and 99% of the league thought the same thing. Don't lie and say the club saw the player he is now and simultaneously talk down brandy who's on the board and part of that very system that apparently knows best. I'm also positive I've heard ivan talk about it in interviews before. It's a credit to Edwards hes a one in a million but I refuse to rewrite history because he wears our club's jersey and that makes me feel good.

 

[Girds89]

You've just said the same thing we have about Luke. Can the club develop him into a top tier first grader? Anyone would be delusional to say no ivan made Brooks halfback of the year ffs but don't tell me it's unreasonable for people to have these questions. At this rate of development he'll be ready to go for 2024 at the earliest. Chins and myself have spoken directly about finals this year and also his age. He needs to get going at some point or he'll be left behind.

As for dyl it's been done to death but your making an emotional argument because he's one of your favourites. The club had Staines and critta as back up and 99% of the league thought the same thing. Don't lie and say the club saw the player he is now and simultaneously talk down brandy who's on the board and part of that very system that apparently knows best. I'm also positive I've heard ivan talk about it in interviews before. It's a credit to Edwards hes a one in a million but I refuse to rewrite history because he wears our club's jersey and that makes me feel good.

This is what you dont get... and never ever have.

Imo the club never ever had critta or staines as a back up for edwards.

Imo they always had full faith in him and belief hed be the player he is. Hence why they always stuck by him and all the players and coaches 110% backed him.

Suggesting the club was making plans or whatever incase he didnt work imo just wasnt the case. I think ivan always wanted dyl as his 1 and never really planned for other options.

Ivan saw enough of dyl coming through with luai and nath and the rest of that brigade to know that the patch of bad form he was in would turn around...

People, including me aremt at training 5 days a week. They dont know these players intimately.

I truly believe if you met brandy one on one over a beer away from the cameras hed tell you the club never doubted dylan.

I mean for crying out loud staines wasnt fg standard for a long long time let alone be close to fb. That was obvious to most no bias staines lovers. He had a lot of work to do.. hes become a solid wing option.

You guys pegged critta as a fb after stuff all time there just off potential. But the idea he could be a fb is still unproven tbh..not sure he possesses the work ethic to be brilliant back there and doesmt have walshs or latrells x factor.

You clearly dont think the club saw dylan becoming the player he is.

I strongly believe they did. Given the qualities he possesses. Once in a generational kind of player.

Especially given we had laurie coming through at the time too..

The club had plenty of options but never ever looked to deviate from edwards.

As for sonny its clearly a work in progress... thats obvious to everyone but every single week the same old posters come in and hammer him about the SAME stuff...

Hes getting 10 to 15 a week to try do something...

I think if you look at things slightly different you can see things hes doing well and were theres potential..

For example hes short and mid range kicking game is very high quality... we barely get to see it cause he gets limited mins but theres been enough snippets to suggest thats a top part of his game..

Thats just one facet.

Im all for hammering a player if theyve had a few shockers but i tend to leave that for the seasoned fg players.

For example ive been one of nathans biggest critics at times..

Anyway i doubt we will ever know what the club thought at the time of dyl... but hes proved basically every single person wrong and become arguably not only the best fb in the game but one of the elite players..

I cant see Luke following the trajectory of course but i think hes shown enough little glimpses to give hope that he can kick on and develop into a 30 to 35 min impact game breaking bench hooker next year

 

[Chins get the wins]

Petero was more because he was on crazy money and from memory involved himself in shit outside his lane. On field he always put in to the best of his ability, just arguable if it was enough to justify the size of the pay cheque.

And yeah, I think we are on the same page, just different paragraphs. Ha ha.

I love the success we are having now. Never in my life did I think we would have a period of dominance like this. Problem is it's addictive and I don't want it to end. As good as we are there is still areas we could be better and I believe others feel the same and that drives a lot of the discussion which is seen as criticism for the sake of being critical. In the end all of us want the same thing, to keep being insanely good.

Our worst ever signing. Giving a prop rep halfback money, dark times

 

[age.s]

I think it was natural to have question marks over Edwards early on, especially given where we had been as a club in the previous decade and a half. But at this point we've seen them repeatedly turn players who have looked pretty average starting out into gems. In addition to Edwards, guys like Nath, Leota, Martin and even Fish all looked pretty streaky starting out and Kenny is starting to show glimmers of the same trajectory. That's in addition to guys who hit the ground running like Spencer, Tago, Taymay, To'o etc. They've shown extremely good judgement in who they've stuck with thus far, and while maybe Luke is the instance in which they get it wrong, I don't really see that overall trend being acknowledged by the people who don't rate him.

 

[soc123_au]

Our worst ever signing. Giving a prop rep halfback money, dark times

I don't think I'd go that far, but the dollars were obscene. We have had some shocking signings over the years. Petero at least played at a high level and I think he was good for McKendry and Grant. Terrible business cap wise, but I can think of a few worse ones.

 

[Westernised Panther]

Our worst ever signing. Giving a prop rep halfback money, dark times

That’s on the club. Gower decides to leave and the stack of money he left on the table was given to the most high profile player available, without any consideration as to whether it would be a “like-for-like” signing.

That being said, Petero’s time with us was ok but definitely not worth the money that was reportedly paid.