Round 22 v The Sharks

[age.s]

Petero was overpaid, but it didn't stop us assembling a pretty good team on paper during that period. Jennings, peak Flash, Lewis, Coote, Pritchard, Graham, Cooper, Waterhouse. These are all very good players, or at least should have been. The problems in that era all stemmed from Elliott.

 

[Iamback]

Yeah, there were a few that were fixated on the areas Dyl was lacking. At the time his ball playing was subpar, especially for a player that played juniors as a half. The observations were correct but I don't think anyone wanted him to fail. I was a bit frustrated that he wasn't better on that front, but loved him for his effort so was happy enough to let the ball playing slide. To his credit, he has worked hard on it and become a much better player than even his biggest supporters could have foreseen.

Same with Kenny, he was loved when he came into grade and most were pretty pleased when Tim Grant stepped aside to give him a full time spot. The criticism started when his development pretty much stopped and went stagnant. Again, thats how it played out, he hit a wall. Also to his credit he has put in the work and become better. And been given the wraps for it. It was never about hate.

The jury is still out on Soni. At this stage imo it's not looking good for him, I don't hate the bloke though. I'll also be happy to be proven wrong and eat the humble pie.

I think some on here confuse someone calling it how they see it at hatred, right or wrong it's observations and perception. No one hates anyone, except maybe @chrisD hating on RCG.

We replaced Moylan with Edwards...

Of course people were going to wonder if he was going to be up to it.

TBH even know he is a mid tier fullback, he suits our style but not so in rep sides

 

[Iamback]

You've just said the same thing we have about Luke. Can the club develop him into a top tier first grader? Anyone would be delusional to say no ivan made Brooks halfback of the year ffs but don't tell me it's unreasonable for people to have these questions. At this rate of development he'll be ready to go for 2024 at the earliest. Chins and myself have spoken directly about finals this year and also his age. He needs to get going at some point or he'll be left behind.

As for dyl it's been done to death but your making an emotional argument because he's one of your favourites. The club had Staines and critta as back up and 99% of the league thought the same thing. Don't lie and say the club saw the player he is now and simultaneously talk down brandy who's on the board and part of that very system that apparently knows best. I'm also positive I've heard ivan talk about it in interviews before. It's a credit to Edwards hes a one in a million but I refuse to rewrite history because he wears our club's jersey and that makes me feel good.

On the flip side, The club has always struggled to develop 9's

 

[Iamback]

While we are all having this navel gazing exercise….

My issues are the posts that don’t allow for debate. I am not picking on WestyLife specifically, because there are a number of posters (both in the fanboy and death rider sides) that post in a way that doesn’t allow for debate. The fact that some may think that this is an objective analysis (and again, it is just an example, but telling that it is an example raised during this very debate) beggars belief. Worse still, from there it often also gets personal (and I have been at fault with that too).

Looking back in time is hard to give examples.

Him being dropped the season before, as well as examples relevant to the time.

I use stats behind my opinions, I don't always post them because it gets tiresome for others.

Happy to go into further if someone engages.

As @soc123_au said though, often the reply is Ivan knows better or an insult. Which doesn't allow the convo to evolve to get reasons for people's opinions

 

[soc123_au]

We replaced Moylan with Edwards...

Of course people were going to wonder if he was going to be up to it.

TBH even know he is a mid tier fullback, he suits our style but not so in rep sides

Cant agree with the mid tier assessment. His work off the ball, defensive organisation, positional play, tackle busting and work rate is elite. His backline involvment as a standalone is arguably mid tier, but as a whole package he more than makes up for that.

I'd love to see him get a crack at Origin, I think he would be fine.

 

[Black Panther]

On the flip side, The club has always struggled to develop 9's

What about Danny Farrar, Brett Boyd and Scott Ellem. Although we got Farrar from Parra I think.

 

[Black Panther]

Those were the days.

 

[Chins get the wins]

Cant agree with the mid tier assessment. His work off the ball, defensive organisation, positional play, tackle busting and work rate is elite. His backline involvment as a standalone is arguably mid tier, but as a whole package he more than makes up for that.

I'd love to see him get a crack at Origin, I think he would be fine.

He wouldn't get in the way like Teddy but he doesn't offer enough with the ball for rep footy imo.

 

[WestyLife]

I think it was natural to have question marks over Edwards early on, especially given where we had been as a club in the previous decade and a half. But at this point we've seen them repeatedly turn players who have looked pretty average starting out into gems. In addition to Edwards, guys like Nath, Leota, Martin and even Fish all looked pretty streaky starting out and Kenny is starting to show glimmers of the same trajectory. That's in addition to guys who hit the ground running like Spencer, Tago, Taymay, To'o etc. They've shown extremely good judgement in who they've stuck with thus far, and while maybe Luke is the instance in which they get it wrong, I don't really see that overall trend being acknowledged by the people who don't rate him.

I said it in this very conversation the last day or so. The conversation is more having him on the bench for finals games this year while he currently looks to still need time to develop more. His potential isn't in question.

 

[Chins get the wins]

I said it in this very conversation the last day or so. The conversation is more having him on the bench for finals games this year while he currently looks to still need time to develop more. His potential isn't in question.

At 27 I very much question his potential.
Peach or Salmon in 14 with 3 forwards is the go for the finals

 

[WestyLife]

At 27 I very much question his potential.
Peach or Salmon in 14 with 3 forwards is the go for the finals

agreed 110% on the bench this year.

I'm giving him credit for having less time due to not playing as much with injuries. A solid 12 months in this team could mean the world to his development just look at Kenny who now looks like a first grade hooker. Problem for me is we need a good bench right now.

 

[Iamback]

He wouldn't get in the way like Teddy but he doesn't offer enough with the ball for rep footy imo.

Playing with Cleary weekly helps with that.

You'd think because he was 18th man that Drinkwater is next up.

Although Latrell and Tommy are in the 17, Allows Campbell Graham to come in if you move one.

Gutho too was in the current side.

That is 6 that would start before him.

Then you have the 3 Fullbacks QLD have used.

If Hammer goes back to Fullback at the fish. That is 10 teams with rep players playing fullback.

None would suit our style but it shows Edwards standing despite the massive improvement he made

 

[Chins get the wins]

Playing with Cleary weekly helps with that.

You'd think because he was 18th man that Drinkwater is next up.

Although Latrell and Tommy are in the 17, Allows Campbell Graham to come in if you move one.

Gutho too was in the current side.

That is 6 that would start before him.

Then you have the 3 Fullbacks QLD have used.

If Hammer goes back to Fullback at the fish. That is 10 teams with rep players playing fullback.

None would suit our style but it shows Edwards standing despite the massive improvement he made

Tommy is done. Not sure he even makes it back for club football

 

[age.s]

Dear God I hope selectors keep ignoring Edwards.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Playing with Cleary weekly helps with that.

You'd think because he was 18th man that Drinkwater is next up.

Although Latrell and Tommy are in the 17, Allows Campbell Graham to come in if you move one.

Gutho too was in the current side.

That is 6 that would start before him.

Then you have the 3 Fullbacks QLD have used.

If Hammer goes back to Fullback at the fish. That is 10 teams with rep players playing fullback.

None would suit our style but it shows Edwards standing despite the massive improvement he made

Drinkwater or Hynes for fullback next year. Need someone there that can create. Dylan could get a game on the wing though as they will need workhorses.

 

[Chins get the wins]

Drinkwater or Hynes for fullback next year. Need someone there that can create. Dylan could get a game on the wing though as they will need workhorses.

To'o and Graham wingers imo.
Latrell and anyone but poor Tommy Turbo. Best went ok but Tago will be an option

 

[Munky]

Drinkwater or Hynes for fullback next year. Need someone there that can create. Dylan could get a game on the wing though as they will need workhorses.

Hynes defence is absolutely putrid.

I wouldn't trust him in any one on one situation or having the technique to hold a ball carrier up over the line.

Drinkwater IMO is a less spectacular version of peak Nico.

I do realise Teddy was terrible this year but he used be as good off the ball as he was on it.

 

[Pomoz]

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Petero was overpaid, but it didn't stop us assembling a pretty good team on paper during that period. Jennings, peak Flash, Lewis, Coote, Pritchard, Graham, Cooper, Waterhouse. These are all very good players, or at least should have been. The problems in that era all stemmed from Elliott.

He spine was crap. Burns, Kingston, Walsh and a rookie Coote. That was were the money should have been spent, not on a glamour prop

 

[jane the pain]

I like them too, as long as they aren't boiled to death.

Me too, with cheese

 

[WestyLife]

Me too, with cheese

Everything tastes better with cheese..... including cheese.