Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent

[The Great Dane]

@The Great Dane just checking in on you mate. Are you feeling ok? You might soon have to share your favourite Canberra sporting team with Melbourne just like you have to share your second favourite Canberra sporting team with Sydney.

It's all good! Go GWS Giants and GNM Brumbies!!

The fact that you can't separate keeping an eye on the broader sporting landscape from support for individual organisations says more about you than me. It's also probably why you truly believe that it's possible that the AFL could take a dominant share of the market in parts of SEQ within our lifetime if the NRL doesn't "expand" there first...

FYI; the NSWRU attempting to force the Brumbies to merge with the Rebels, or to relocate to Melbourne in effect, would rip the ARU in half, and Super along with it, long before any merger actually occurred.
They've been trying to murder the Brumbies since they were first proposed and this isn't the first time that they've proposed that the Brumbies "merge" with Melbourne, it's almost a biyearly occurrence at this point actually. Their schemes to get rid of the Brumbies have never worked before and the fact that the Brumbies have a roughly $2mil debt that they're struggling to pay isn't going to be the difference that forces them over the edge.

In other words don't hold your breath for a Brumbies collapse anytime soon (not unless the whole ARU goes under anyway). It'd be a disaster for all the rectangular sports in the ACT if they did anyway.

 

[Wb1234]

The fact that you can't separate keeping an eye on the broader sporting landscape from support for individual organisations says more about you than me. It's also probably why you truly believe that it's possible that the AFL could take a dominant share of the market in parts of SEQ within our lifetime if the NRL doesn't "expand" there first...

FYI; the NSWRU attempting to force the Brumbies to merge with the Rebels, or to relocate to Melbourne in effect, would rip the ARU in half, and Super along with it, long before any merger actually occurred.
They've been trying to murder the Brumbies since they were first proposed and this isn't the first time that they've proposed that the Brumbies "merge" with Melbourne, it's almost a biyearly occurrence at this point actually. Their schemes to get rid of the Brumbies have never worked before and the fact that the Brumbies have a roughly $2mil debt that they're struggling to pay isn't going to be the difference that forces them over the edge.

In other words don't hold your breath for a Brumbies collapse anytime soon (not unless the whole ARU goes under anyway). It'd be a disaster for all the rectangular sports in the ACT if they did anyway.

Go
Brumbies

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The fact that you can't separate keeping an eye on the broader sporting landscape from support for individual organisations says more about you than me. It's also probably why you truly believe that it's possible that the AFL could take a dominant share of the market in parts of SEQ within our lifetime if the NRL doesn't "expand" there first...

FYI; the NSWRU attempting to force the Brumbies to merge with the Rebels, or to relocate to Melbourne in effect, would rip the ARU in half, and Super along with it, long before any merger actually occurred.
They've been trying to murder the Brumbies since they were first proposed and this isn't the first time that they've proposed that the Brumbies "merge" with Melbourne, it's almost a biyearly occurrence at this point actually. Their schemes to get rid of the Brumbies have never worked before and the fact that the Brumbies have a roughly $2mil debt that they're struggling to pay isn't going to be the difference that forces them over the edge.

In other words don't hold your breath for a Brumbies collapse anytime soon (not unless the whole ARU goes under anyway). It'd be a disaster for all the rectangular sports in the ACT if they did anyway.

I definitely don't subscribe to the 'AFL will take over without the Jets' theory. I certainly agree that a western corridor team will be a good thing for the NRL and for Rugby League in QLD and definitely agree that having four NRL clubs in SEQ makes life more difficult for any code to expand here in the future.

Oh and on Canberra, go the Raiders. Soon to be the only genuine Canberra pro sports club left in the city and its great to see. But of course... people in Canberra prefer Union and AFL right? That's why those codes are doing so well their with their versions of a Canberra club

 

[Wb1234]

I definitely don't subscribe to the 'AFL will take over without the Jets' theory. I certainly agree that a western corridor team will be a good thing for the NRL and for Rugby League in QLD and definitely agree that having four NRL clubs in SEQ makes life more difficult for any code to expand here in the future.

Oh and on Canberra, go the Raiders. Soon to be the only genuine Canberra pro sports club left in the city and its great to see. But of course... people in Canberra prefer Union and AFL right? That's why those codes are doing so well their with their versions of a Canberra club

BOOM

 

[Jamberoo]

The Rebels would not be missed here in the slightest. They would be the least visible professional sporting club in the country.

And what would a merger with the Brumbys achieve? At best the Brumbies could play a single game at AAMI once the Rebels fold. But what would be the point?

 

[Canard]

The Rebels would not be missed here in the slightest. They would be the least visible professional sporting club in the country.

And what would a merger with the Brumbys achieve? At best the Brumbies could play a single game at AAMI once the Rebels fold. But what would be the point?

Agreed with this 100%.

They have ZERO presence in Melbourne. The Brumbies would have nothing to gain by merging with them.

It would be akin to the Crushers merging with South Sydney in 2002.

 

[gerg]

Agreed with this 100%.

They have ZERO presence in Melbourne. The Brumbies would have nothing to gain by merging with them.

It would be akin to the Crushers merging with South Sydney in 2002.

Like @The Great Dane says Rugby Australia has a stupid preference of Rebels over Brumbies despite the latters long history with Rugby in Australia. If they’re dumb enough to go through with this then they deserve to fold entirely. Pointing at the Brumbies debt … um how about RA debt?

But unlike a few others I don’t think rugby completely dying in Australia is ‘the win’ for the NRL that some of you think it is, at least in the longer term.

 

[Canard]

Like @The Great Dane says Rugby Australia has a stupid preference of Rebels over Brumbies despite the latters long history with Rugby in Australia. If they’re dumb enough to go through with this then they deserve to fold entirely. Pointing at the Brumbies debt … um how about RA debt?

But unlike a few others I don’t think rugby completely dying in Australia is ‘the win’ for the NRL that some of you think it is, at least in the longer term.

It's not going to die, there is to much infrastructure at the private school level, it's just going to contract to a more sustainable level.

It over expanded to rapidly.

Something all pro sports leagues should take heed from.

 

[The Great Dane]

I definitely don't subscribe to the 'AFL will take over without the Jets' theory. I certainly agree that a western corridor team will be a good thing for the NRL and for Rugby League in QLD and definitely agree that having four NRL clubs in SEQ makes life more difficult for any code to expand here in the future.

Frame it however you like, but your position on this stuff almost always falls back to "what about the AFL" and "X team will stop the AFL's inroads in X place" fearmongering nonsense.

Oh and on Canberra, go the Raiders. Soon to be the only genuine Canberra pro sports club left in the city and its great to see. But of course... people in Canberra prefer Union and AFL right? That's why those codes are doing so well their with their versions of a Canberra club

There truly was no better way to prove that you're f**king clueless about Canberra than to suggest that the Queanbeyan based, owned, and operated club is the 'genuine' Canberra pro sports team, you absolute dipshit LOL!

BTW; the participation numbers don't lie, both Aussie Rules and RU are more popular than RL in the grassroots in the ACT and that is partially a by product of the Family Farm's grudging attitude towards Canberra and the ACT and the NRL's neglect.
There isn't an ACT based AFL side either, if there was, and we assume that it's competently run, it'd be of a similar size, if not slightly bigger than, the Raiders from day-dot, and wouldn't need to bank on support from country NSW riding on the coattails to achieve it either...

 

[Wb1234]

Frame it however you like, but your position on this stuff almost always falls back to "what about the AFL" and "X team will stop the AFL's inroads in X place" fearmongering nonsense.

There truly was no better way to prove that you're f**king clueless about Canberra than to suggest that the Queanbeyan based, owned, and operated club is the 'genuine' Canberra pro sports team, you absolute dipshit LOL!

BTW; the participation numbers don't lie, both Aussie Rules and RU are more popular than RL in the grassroots in the ACT and that is partially a by product of the Family Farm's grudging attitude towards Canberra and the ACT and the NRL's neglect.
There isn't an ACT based AFL side either, if there was, and we assume that it's competently run, it'd be of a similar size, if not slightly bigger than, the Raiders from day-dot, and wouldn't need to bank on support from country NSW riding on the coattails to achieve it either...

Go
Brumbies

 

[The Great Dane]

It's not going to die, there is to much infrastructure at the private school level, it's just going to contract to a more sustainable level.

It over expanded to rapidly.

Something all pro sports leagues should take heed from.

AUS RU's problems aren't even that they expanded too rapidly so much as their consistent refusal to react to market changes and competition.

 

[The Great Dane]

Like @The Great Dane says Rugby Australia has a stupid preference of Rebels over Brumbies despite the latters long history with Rugby in Australia. If they’re dumb enough to go through with this then they deserve to fold entirely. Pointing at the Brumbies debt … um how about RA debt?

But unlike a few others I don’t think rugby completely dying in Australia is ‘the win’ for the NRL that some of you think it is, at least in the longer term.

It's not really the ARU, it's the NSWRU exerting pressure on the ARU through their old boys in positions of power on the board. For most of history they've effectively controlled the ARU, but for the last 35ish years they haven't had the power to make unilateral decisions without the support of the some of the other unions, particularly QLD.

 

[The Great Dane]

The Rebels would not be missed here in the slightest. They would be the least visible professional sporting club in the country.

And what would a merger with the Brumbys achieve? At best the Brumbies could play a single game at AAMI once the Rebels fold. But what would be the point?

I don't think you understand what's actually being proposed.

The idea is to effectively force the Brumbies to takeover the Rebels and relocate to Melbourne fulltime, thereby removing the Waratahs competition in "NSW" as they see it, and moving the most successful Australian team out of the smallest market into the second biggest and one of the most important strategically from RU's point of view.

In other words the Brumbies would be based in and play all or most of their matches out of Melbourne, and in theory that would give the Tahs clear air and the pick of the litter of ACT and Southern NSW talent, but that's the quite part out loud, and give Melbourne the most competent and successful RU football department in the country.

The reality is that the majority of the ACT contingent would refuse to relocate to Melbourne in protest, either retiring or taking jobs overseas instead, and you'd effectively end up with the Rebels wearing a Brumbies skinsuit, but that suits NSW just fine.

 

[Canard]

I don't think you understand what's actually being proposed.

The idea is to effectively force the Brumbies to takeover the Rebels and relocate to Melbourne fulltime, thereby removing the Waratahs competition in "NSW" as they see it, and moving the most successful Australian team out of the smallest market into the second biggest and one of the most important strategically from RU's point of view.

In other words the Brumbies would be based in and play all or most of their matches out of Melbourne, and in theory that would give the Tahs clear air and the pick of the litter of ACT and Southern NSW talent, but that's the quite part out loud, and give Melbourne the most competent and successful RU football department in the country.

The reality is that the majority of the ACT contingent would refuse to relocate to Melbourne in protest, either retiring or taking jobs overseas instead, and you'd effectively end up with the Rebels wearing a Brumbies skinsuit, but that suits NSW just fine.

A team that would have even less support in Melbourne then the current meagre support they have

 

[Jamberoo]

I don't think you understand what's actually being proposed.

The idea is to effectively force the Brumbies to takeover the Rebels and relocate to Melbourne fulltime, thereby removing the Waratahs competition in "NSW" as they see it, and moving the most successful Australian team out of the smallest market into the second biggest and one of the most important strategically from RU's point of view.

In other words the Brumbies would be based in and play all or most of their matches out of Melbourne, and in theory that would give the Tahs clear air and the pick of the litter of ACT and Southern NSW talent, but that's the quite part out loud, and give Melbourne the most competent and successful RU football department in the country.

The reality is that the majority of the ACT contingent would refuse to relocate to Melbourne in protest, either retiring or taking jobs overseas instead, and you'd effectively end up with the Rebels wearing a Brumbies skinsuit, but that suits NSW just fine.

That is a ridiculous proposal. Who is actually pushing this?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

That is a ridiculous proposal. Who is actually pushing this?

NSW Rugby afaik?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Frame it however you like, but your position on this stuff almost always falls back to "what about the AFL" and "X team will stop the AFL's inroads in X place" fearmongering nonsense.

There truly was no better way to prove that you're f**king clueless about Canberra than to suggest that the Queanbeyan based, owned, and operated club is the 'genuine' Canberra pro sports team, you absolute dipshit LOL!

BTW; the participation numbers don't lie, both Aussie Rules and RU are more popular than RL in the grassroots in the ACT and that is partially a by product of the Family Farm's grudging attitude towards Canberra and the ACT and the NRL's neglect.
There isn't an ACT based AFL side either, if there was, and we assume that it's competently run, it'd be of a similar size, if not slightly bigger than, the Raiders from day-dot, and wouldn't need to bank on support from country NSW riding on the coattails to achieve it either...

Incorrect, I've never fallen back on fearmongering about AFL in SEQ because they are a long way behind RL.

Sure... Union and AFL are bigger than RL in Canberra but the Raiders are the only ones able to make a go of it there Brumbies are all but dead and the AFL can't even muster a full-time team. Both codes get their ass beaten by the NRL for crowds in Canberra.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

I'd don't agree with danes position that AFL and Union are nearly as popular League in Canberra. Participation numbers aren't a litmus test for overall popularity. But I would echo that the loss of the Brumbies would be a net negative to the Raiders. Ideally we need a strong Union and Soccer team to add support for rectangle sports. If the Raiders are the only shop in town Barr will get less pushback on going 100% in on AFL.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yet another example of clubs being given too much power and acting in self interest to the overall determinat of the game.

Isn't the piont of having an independent commission to take the power away from clubs and make decisions that would be of benefit to the game ?

Hey, let's not try and sign the worlds best Union players because it might disadvantage the Tigers lol

The ARLC was set up in a way to give the NRL clubs, QRL and NSWRL the power to control the game.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Best Christmas present ever.