Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[betcats]

Difference is now they'll be kicking into the in goal and not before the line. As soon as the attacker catches it, it a try. Simply no way to stop them

Most of the time they still land on their feet in that situation(its instincts) which gives you a good chance to stop it, in particular if you are ready for it and have practiced for it. Kicking into the in goal comes with its own risks also.

It something that can certainly be a weapon for teams, but I don't think we are going to see every short winger forced out because of it. Getting the kick and chase right and not getting run off your jump is a pretty big challenge, once in the air defensive teams will play it safe a lot more now and just look to knock the ball out if they can get a hand to it. I just don't see it as having a huge impact.

 

[Dave's mate]

What half can consistently aim a kick exactly where they want. 7 tackles if they miss it slightly

All of them can hit a 7m wide in goal. Most this forum could

 

[betcats]

All of them can hit a 7m wide in goal. Most this forum could

If they put it too deep its an easy catch for the defending team and a 7 tackle set. Its more like 1-2 metre zone they need to hit, and two metres is pushing it probably.

 

[OldPanther]

What half can consistently aim a kick exactly where they want. 7 tackles if they miss it slightly

I could in my teens and would probably be at above 50% now. I'd say accounting for the extra pressure at NRL level guys like Cleary, DCE, Ash Taylor(if his confidence is back) Moses, Keary would be more than capable.

What I guess will happen is blockers will get worse.

 

[Crashtest]

What I guess will happen is blockers will get worse.

Good point. Hopefully the NRL have thought of that as well, and will instruct the referees to be vigilant in policing it.

 

[betcats]

Even the best NRL kickers struggle to do it consistently. Your average fan is absolutely no chance landing kicks on a dime with nrl pressure, be serious.

 

[franklin2323]

I could in my teens and would probably be at above 50% now. I'd say accounting for the extra pressure at NRL level guys like Cleary, DCE, Ash Taylor(if his confidence is back) Moses, Keary would be more than capable.

What I guess will happen is blockers will get worse.

50% is still too high a risk to give up 7 tackles. Grubber still better option

 

[franklin2323]

Even the best NRL kickers struggle to do it consistently. Your average fan is absolutely no chance landing kicks on a dime with nrl pressure, be serious.

Yep not much will change the 7 tackle rule is a good equaliser

 

[OldPanther]

Even the best NRL kickers struggle to do it consistently. Your average fan is absolutely no chance landing kicks on a dime with nrl pressure, be serious.

You missed my point and maybe I explained it poorly. I mentioned NRL pressure to show it would be more difficult for them and the players I named are guys I think could do it under those more extreme circumstances with Ash Taylor being a bit unknown having the ability but lacking the confidence and mentality in recent times.

 

[OldPanther]

50% is still too high a risk to give up 7 tackles. Grubber still better option

The players I named I'd bet could hit it with defensive pressure at 80% or more.

 

[betcats]

You missed my point and maybe I explained it poorly. I mentioned NRL pressure to show it would be more difficult for them and the players I named are guys I think could do it under those more extreme circumstances with Ash Taylor being a bit unknown having the ability but lacking the confidence and mentality in recent times.

We've seen the players you named kick, they are best kicking games in the nrl and they still cant land it where they want all the time. There is a small margin between a contestable kick and an easy catch for the defender. This rule hasn't made that margin any bigger, its still going to be pretty bloody difficult to get it in the sweet spot consistently.

 

[franklin2323]

The players I named I'd bet could hit it with defensive pressure at 80% or more.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...layers?category=kicking&sortBy=attackingKicks

This is the kicking stats for last year

Lets use Reynolds who I think has the best kicking game

104 attacking kicks
21 kicking errors. 9 kicks went dead. So 30% went wrong

How will that change with this rule?

 

[OldPanther]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...layers?category=kicking&sortBy=attackingKicks

This is the kicking stats for last year

Lets use Reynolds who I think has the best kicking game

104 attacking kicks
21 kicking errors. 9 kicks went dead. So 30% went wrong

How will that change with this rule?

How many are bombs? How many are grubbers? Etc. That's not a very good use of stats.

 

[franklin2323]

How many are bombs? How many are grubbers? Etc. That's not a very good use of stats.

What does it matter? If a kicker can aim exactly where he wants then 1/3 wouldn't be errors

 

[OldPanther]

What does it matter? If a kicker can aim exactly where he wants then 1/3 wouldn't be errors

It matters because it's innacurate cherry picked data that doesn't prove the point at all. Secondly you don't need every single kick to be on point to score tries. It only takes 1 to get 6 points and regain possession. If we have Crichton in the team the opposition better hope the ref isn't after blockers that day or say some prayers because a combo of him and Cleary is going to be deadly if you can't tackle him in the air.

 

[betcats]

It matters because it's innacurate cherry picked data that doesn't prove the point at all. Secondly you don't need every single kick to be on point to score tries. It only takes 1 to get 6 points and regain possession. If we have Crichton in the team the opposition better hope the ref isn't after blockers that day or say some prayers because a combo of him and Cleary is going to be deadly if you can't tackle him in the air.

You are making it sound a lot easier then it is.

Let’s say the good kickers can place it right 80 percent of the time(which is probably being generous), the chaser still needs to get the timing right, he stills needs to avoid blockers, he needs to outjump his defender, catch the ball and get it down.

Let’s keep in mind a Knock on or kick that isn’t perfectly placed is a fair chance of being a 7 tackle set. It’s still high risk enough that no team will spam it.

 

[Thirsty Panther]

Does this kicking rule also apply to Kick-offs and drop-outs or only for kicks in the field play?

 

[OldPanther]

You are making it sound a lot easier then it is.

Let’s say the good kickers can place it right 80 percent of the time(which is probably being generous), the chaser still needs to get the timing right, he stills needs to avoid blockers, he needs to outjump his defender, catch the ball and get it down.

Let’s keep in mind a Knock on or kick that isn’t perfectly placed is a fair chance of being a 7 tackle set. It’s still high risk enough that no team will spam it.

It's no more risk than a grubber possibly going dead. The danger of a 7 tackle set is still there and happens regularly. Honestly I'm in favour of the rule because it was always supposed to be about player welfare anyway but there is an inherent advantage to the attacking team and especially those teams with good kickers and tall outside backs. Toupou from Roosters is already virtually unstoppable in the air.

Anyway everyone's main point of contention is Mansour's weakness more than anything which is already there anyway being a shorty.

 

[OldPanther]

Does this kicking rule also apply to Kick-offs and drop-outs or only for kicks in the field play?

Yes all kicks.

 

[franklin2323]

It matters because it's innacurate cherry picked data that doesn't prove the point at all. Secondly you don't need every single kick to be on point to score tries. It only takes 1 to get 6 points and regain possession. If we have Crichton in the team the opposition better hope the ref isn't after blockers that day or say some prayers because a combo of him and Cleary is going to be deadly if you can't tackle him in the air.

attacking kicks are attacking kicks. 7 tackle is the risk and still will be. The blocked chasers.

The rule has always been you can't take out defenders in the air. Doesn't stop the attackers getting it the same will apply here