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Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

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I really think Issah Yeo is the glue of this team as a link player. Martin may be good at lock but he lacks that ball playing link play. It's like the difference between Mitch Kenny and Api. When Kenny's we have to pull it back and play more simple footy. Less creative stuff and more hard dummy half runs up the middle when Kenny's on. It's not terrible or anything but it's not ideal and when you head into the finals you want to be playing your best brand of footy. Yeo needs to be there lock for 80 minutes or someone similar for the team to play our best football.

Kikau moves there and Crichton and Luai become less effective without him drawing in defenders so it's not something I'd be eager to do.

Crichton and Luai will be effective no matter what back rower is playing on the left. If Kikau is in the middle then he is drawing defenders in to the middle and creating space on the edges.
 

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Re Barrett, again i find it funny how much can change in 12 months. IF I dared mention Barrett as a reason we might improve this time last year most of the responses were along the lines of "what has barrett ever done, his record is shit as coach" now him leaving seems to be a big reason we will go backwards according to many.

Barrett was a great addition he definitely improved our attack but he isnt the make or break of this team. He was one piece and Just cause he leaves doesnt mean the changes he made will leave with him. The challenge for us is to keep evolving the attack without Barrett so it doesnt become stale.
 

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It well documented api came because of Barrett .He was going to the bulldogs

No it isnt, that is complete bullshit.. Api has stated he was gone to the dogs before Ivan called him and invited him around to his house and after that meeting Api was coming to Penrith. It was Ivan that got Api here. There was articles on it and quotes from Api and Ivan.
 

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It well documented api came because of Barrett .He was going to the bulldogs
Private meeting brings one-time 'loose cannon' Koroisau back to Penrith
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Ivan Cleary once enlisted Api Koroisau to help him break down a language barrier to sign Fijian gun Viliame Kikau.

But the Panthers coach wanted to make sure Koroisau had left his old "loose cannon" ways behind before bringing the No.9 back to Penrith.

Koroisau spurned interest from Canterbury and the Warriors to link once more with Cleary and the Panthers in 2020, reuniting with his former club and coach from 2015.

Pushed out of Manly by his protégé Manase Fainu, Koroisau concedes he was "really close" to landing at Belmore.

Until a private meeting at the Cleary household, with Ivan ensuring Panthers halfback and oldest son Nathan was elsewhere.

"I was really close to going to the Bulldogs, they wasted no time in hitting me up after everything had happened with Manly," Koroisau told NRL.com.

"I was fortunate enough to go out there, look at their facilities and I did the same with New Zealand and met them as well.

"It wasn't until two or three weeks after that when Ivan gave me a quick phone call. He wanted a private meeting, just me and him at his house.

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"Nice and quiet. After that chat, when he really sat me down, it got to me and a couple of days later I decided I was heading over to Penrith.

"We didn't talk about footy. We spoke a lot about my character, what I've been doing and he was asking a lot of questions about my growth and where I've been heading as a person off the field.

"When I was with him in 2015 I was a little bit of a loose cannon. I was a young 22-year-old if that makes sense. I was happy to be playing first grade, making a bit of money and partying.

"I was doing all of that and Ivan was definitely sussing me out, trying to work out if I was still that way. He was sussing me out a lot more than I was working out what Penrith is like.

"But it was a really good conversation about a lot of things deeper than footy."

Koroisau is expected to return to Penrith's pre-season in mid-December having just had his second child, Kalesi, with wife Amy last week.

Off-the-field he is a different man from his first Panthers stint, which ended in heartache when his then-partner took her life in late-2015.

On the paddock he is itching to combine with Cleary jnr, who will take charge of Penrith's attack following James Maloney's departure to France.

The man who took him to Manly in the first place, Trent Barrett, is also back as Cleary's attack and halves coach.

Koroisau's move back to the foot of the mountains will also put him in the same colours as Kikau, having helped convince him to do the same four years ago.


"I had played with big Bill for Fiji against PNG in 2015 in a mid-year Test and they had me in his ear, seeing if I could get him to Penrith," Koroisau said.

"Unfortunately I left the year he came. I don't know if I was the sole reason he was coming but I did have a chat to him, told him to come down [from North Queensland] and then left!

"He was still fresh from Fiji and there was a bit of a language barrier because I'm not the best Fijian speaker.

"But I got enough through to him and we're back together.

"I'm really happy to be back now. He's a star player with incredible potential so to be in the same club side again is going to be fun.

"It's like the whole club in general I think. We've got a really young side with so much potential there.

"Being a leader out there is something I want to do and something I'm looking forward to."
 

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Not sure where you pulled that from. Everything I read said that Ivan convinced him to come back.

There was an article later in the year where Api spoke glowingly about Barrett, there is no doubt Api liked working with Barrett and was full of praise for his work this year and at Manly but he has never said he came to Penrith because of Barrett or that Barrett convinced him to come. It was definitely Ivan who got him here. Also Kikau is on record saying Ivan was a big reason he signed with us originally, so Ivan goes alright in the recruiting department no matter what these butthurt wests fans try to say.
 

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Re Barrett, again i find it funny how much can change in 12 months. IF I dared mention Barrett as a reason we might improve this time last year most of the responses were along the lines of "what has barrett ever done, his record is shit as coach" now him leaving seems to be a big reason we will go backwards according to many.

Barrett was a great addition he definitely improved our attack but he isnt the make or break of this team. He was one piece and Just cause he leaves doesn't mean the changes he made will leave with him. The challenge for us is to keep evolving the attack without Barrett so it doesn't become stale.
According to (I think) @Blade23, he was doing a good job of managing the players psyche - geeing them up, chipping them etc.
 

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According to (I think) @Blade23, he was doing a good job of managing the players psyche - geeing them up, chipping them etc.

Yep Ive heard a number of our playmakers talk about the confidence Barrett instilled in them. Whatever he was doing hopefully Ivan understands we need it to continue going forward.
 

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Re Barrett, again i find it funny how much can change in 12 months. IF I dared mention Barrett as a reason we might improve this time last year most of the responses were along the lines of "what has barrett ever done, his record is shit as coach" now him leaving seems to be a big reason we will go backwards according to many.

Barrett was a great addition he definitely improved our attack but he isnt the make or break of this team. He was one piece and Just cause he leaves doesnt mean the changes he made will leave with him. The challenge for us is to keep evolving the attack without Barrett so it doesnt become stale.

I pointed to the Eagles attack when he was coach there as reason for why he would go well. Very few agreed.

Ciraldo had similar. More notably won 72-10 3 games in a row. The spine for those games

Edwards
Luai
Cleary
May

So he has success with these guys. I think Barrett did some good things but an assistant isn't super important in the overall picture
 

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According to (I think) @Blade23, he was doing a good job of managing the players psyche - geeing them up, chipping them etc.

You watched the videos on the website about the finals run? Kikau especially says similar about Ciraldo. Most assistants do that. Head coach is always the bad guy. Assistants the friends
 
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