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Rumoured and Confirmed Signings - XXV

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Poupou Escobar

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Pou, the one flaw in your reasoning is that SK splashed cash at crap players based on future potential.... he may have done the same with Morgs?

Unlike Sandow, Hopoate and Lussick, who all showed a lot of potential playing in strong teams, Ryan Morgan wasn't a standout, so there would have been no reason to pay him a lot. Hell even Mortimer was killing it in 2009 when we re-signed him to overs. There needs to be demand for prices to go up.

And to Morgan's credit he has continued to improve.

But whatever wrong he did, Ricky re-signed him after the projector thing, so one might expect he is getting less?
I hope he is under 140k now... not worth more than that. There are plenty of average defensive centres who can't pass, but who have 50+ games FG experience available every year.

Like who?
 

Stagger eel

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If we lose Hopoate and Seff

And gain Kleppa, gutho, Cornish and Reece or earl in the process I think we've done quite well out of this...
 

oldmancraigy

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Unlike Sandow, Hopoate and Lussick, who all showed a lot of potential playing in strong teams, Ryan Morgan wasn't a standout, so there would have been no reason to pay him a lot. Hell even Mortimer was killing it in 2009 when we re-signed him to overs. There needs to be demand for prices to go up.

And to Morgan's credit he has continued to improve.

You keep saying this demand thing, but it simply isn't true.
Sure, if you know how to negotiate, and can accurately predict value (by having a good eye for talent), that is fine. But if one struggles in those areas, one may well overpay hacks.

No player agent walks into a coaches office and says 'sorry, nobody else wants my guy, can you spot us 90k?'. These guys make their living out of this, and they are always looking for easy meat. If I am representing Morgs I would call every club that is yet to express interest and try and drum up a market BEFORE negotiating with the clubs who have. And I would be trying to get whatever I could.... but even if I can't, i tell the club inteested that I have, and start at double what he is worth....
If blokes like Lussick, Harrison, Ryan (etc) were being paid as starters, it indicates fresh meat was gobbled up.


Like who?

Off the top of my head, Joel Reddy and Brad Tighe are available for next year. There are always centres not good enough for first grade available at seasons end.
Given the hard nosed approach the club has taken to negotiations of late, i would not be shocked to learn Morgan is on a 2nd tier deal. I doubt very much he is earning anything that hurts us cap wise.
 

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I'm having a brain fade....who is Kleppa?
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Poupou Escobar

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You keep saying this demand thing, but it simply isn't true.

Well it is, because it determines how much players ask for. If they're only made one offer and there are no offers from elsewhere they aren't going to turn their nose up at it.

Sure, if you know how to negotiate, and can accurately predict value (by having a good eye for talent), that is fine. But if one struggles in those areas, one may well overpay hacks.

The place where players are most likely to be overpaid is at the talent levels where they stand out with good-but-inconsistent form, and therefore where there is some demand. Players like Mortimer, Loko, Sandow, Lussick and Hopoate.

No player agent walks into a coaches office and says 'sorry, nobody else wants my guy, can you spot us 90k?'.

They don't walk in anywhere until they're made an offer. This is why the highest demand players get all the money and everyone else gets peanuts.

These guys make their living out of this, and they are always looking for easy meat. If I am representing Morgs I would call every club that is yet to express interest and try and drum up a market BEFORE negotiating with the clubs who have. And I would be trying to get whatever I could.... but even if I can't, i tell the club inteested that I have, and start at double what he is worth....
If blokes like Lussick, Harrison, Ryan (etc) were being paid as starters, it indicates fresh meat was gobbled up.

Lussick and Harrison were playing regular footy for the defending premiers, so of course there was demand for those two. Ryan was playing reserve grade, so he wouldn't have been on much more than minimum salary.

Do you think Beavis f**ked us on the Hayne re-signings?

Off the top of my head, Joel Reddy and Brad Tighe are available for next year. There are always centres not good enough for first grade available at seasons end.
Given the hard nosed approach the club has taken to negotiations of late, i would not be shocked to learn Morgan is on a 2nd tier deal. I doubt very much he is earning anything that hurts us cap wise.

The only players who hurt you cap wise are those in the top 25 who shouldn't be, and those earning a couple hundred grand more than they're worth. The rest come out in the wash. Counterintuitively, Kieran Foran is more likely to hurt our cap than is Ryan Morgan.

As for Tighe and Reddy, why would you want centres not good enough for the NRL to fill your third (and potentially second) centre slot?
 

lingard

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I watched plenty of old video. I also played in the early nineties when volunteer coaches were all silly old merkins like yourself who taught us the game how they remembered it when they were kids.


In other words you know f**k all about it. "Plenty of old video", eh? :lol::lol:
 

lingard

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Don't be ignorant mate, lingard already told you that structures have stayed the same. Right after he told you the game is more structured and rigid these days.

So because centres (and halves and second rowers) sometimes found themselves on opposite sides of the ruck it means it was no different to modern structures where players are coached to remain on their respective sides. If you don't know that you're just ignorant.


You're funny. You know all I've been saying is that: 1. the 'split halves' idea is not a new invention, and: 2. that we still have specialist five-eights in the game. But if you want to keep making shit up, that's fine by me.
 
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