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Rumoured Signings and Even More Crap X

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Poupou Escobar

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no - he's still a kid too .... a bit more mature than the parra kids, but he's not in a position to lead men yet

Not necessarily true. He might be too young to be the captain, but if his character is strong enough to lead then he's old enough to be a leader.
 

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he was never a talker for manly - he was (and still is) young .... maybe he's matured a bit in the last 2 years, but fact is he has a quiet personality and i would have serious doubts he's gonna stroll into parra and suddenly be ready to be one of our onfield leaders who can lift all the other's heads when shit happens
 

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There was a quote on this board after about 5 rounds along the lines of " there are 19 players off contract at the end of 2014 and Ricky only thinks 3 of them are worth resigning".

How right was that, did someone actually suggest that the club was thinking of giving Mullaney 2 more years, please no, there was a reason why Sean Meaney, Tedesco and Moltzen was in front of him at the Tigpies ( he is not NRL standard)
 

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There was a quote on this board after about 5 rounds along the lines of " there are 19 players off contract at the end of 2014 and Ricky only thinks 3 of them are worth resigning".

How right was that, did someone actually suggest that the club was thinking of giving Mullaney 2 more years, please no, there was a reason why Sean Meaney, Tedesco and Moltzen was in front of him at the Tigpies ( he is not NRL standard)

There's 35 blokes in a squad. Not all of them are intended to play first grade.

Ideally only your top 17 would play first grade each week and the other 18 would be on peanuts and playing for Wenty/Guildford. That would allow you to devote maximum salary cap space to the top 17.

Unfortunately there are injuries and so some of the bottom 18 (especially props and spine players) need to be able to play a handful of games for the NRL team each year.

And if you're really unlucky you get heaps of injuries and players from your bottom 18 end up combining for dozens of NRL appearances in a year.
 

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The Hayne thing was reported in both Telegraph and the Sun-herald. Im sure if you checked out his Twiitter account you could work out if true or not.

Well he 100% said it, which is completely unprofessional from him imo. I usually support him but tbh I think he should have rang someone in the club rather than give the media an excuse to drag us the through it again!

The other part about Edwards and Stuart just shits me, as I said, true or not it is disappointing that it is even being reported in the media!
 

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Mullaney would be on minimum wage and is realistically just here to play at Wenty and fill in for Hayne when he gets injured or plays Origin. I dont think I would begrudge him a contract given all those circumstances actually.

I would begrudge him, because there's a dozen other players at state cup level who make more sense to sign for the same cash.

For example: someone who can play wing normally, and fill in at FB in a pinch.

Fullback cover for Origin time isn't a pressing concern for us when we have Norman and Hoppa in the squad. And if it was a pressing concern for us, we'd be best served signing someone who can actually play FB, rather than Mullaney, who can only play the attacking part.
 

oldmancraigy

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Phil Gould wrote an article recently that alluded to this. He said you'd be better off starting a new club from scratch than taking over a shit one.

As for all the comments over the past two years about 'the players look like they only just met each other', I suggest the problem was that the players all knew each other too well, and they didn't trust the next guy to do what needed to be done on game day.

I definitely think a culture of trust and working for your mates has been a major issue for us over the past few years.

I thought Kearney had the balls to change it when he axed Burt [aka the king of not working for your mates], but when he brought him back it was the beginning of his own demise.
 

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I definitely think a culture of trust and working for your mates has been a major issue for us over the past few years.

I thought Kearney had the balls to change it when he axed Burt [aka the king of not working for your mates], but when he brought him back it was the beginning of his own demise.

Luke Burt was a 80kg winger that played over 200 first grade games, was our greatest ever goalkicker and point scorer, scored over 100 career tries, had some memorable games for us and won more than he lost for us and now he is some King of not putting in.

The game may have past him somewhat but FFS OMC have some respect mate.
 

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Isn't it ironic that we're whingen about how bad our wingers are a season after Burt retired, we never had this problem when him and guru junior were playing in the side..
 

oldmancraigy

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There's 35 blokes in a squad. Not all of them are intended to play first grade.

Ideally only your top 17 would play first grade each week and the other 18 would be on peanuts and playing for Wenty/Guildford. That would allow you to devote maximum salary cap space to the top 17.

Unfortunately there are injuries and so some of the bottom 18 (especially props and spine players) need to be able to play a handful of games for the NRL team each year.

And if you're really unlucky you get heaps of injuries and players from your bottom 18 end up combining for dozens of NRL appearances in a year.

While this is true, there's more to it than meets the eye!

For example, NRL minimum salary is about $80k (for those in the top 25 paid players).
The second tier cap is still $350k, which is spent on blokes who are not top 25, but play NRL.

Then there is the $250k for the "next 20" Toyota cup players (ie, those who aren't already part of the top 25 paid players at the club.
Then there's a Toyota cup 2nd tier cap of $50k


SO - the best option for a club is to spend that second tier cap on blokes who play Toyota Cup, with an eye to them also playing NRL. They can sit outside the top 25 (ie, under $80k), and there is no requirements of even distribution, it just must be under $80k per player.



So (to get to my point): my belief is that there is little to no point in having a veteran 'backup' contracted for less than $80k unless he is genuinely NRL standard, or a massive risk that's worth taking. It is senseless, because effectively we'd be paying to strengthen the reserve grade squad.

If you're going to have vets, make them at least capable of doing something well in first grade, and cough up accordingly. This might mean 5-6 guys in the top 25 who are earning 100-150k.
Meanwhile you have 5 blokes in the squad who are 21 year olds, earning $80k (minimum salary), and we have them because we forked out $50-70k for them the previous 2 years in the 2nd tier cap (whether to poach a talented NYC player, or retain a talented one).

Suddenly we only have 14 spots to fill in the top 25, lots of cash to do so. NRL capable players in spots 15-20, and young talents in 21-25.
You can get your big stars, and then overspend to fill critical positions of weakness.


Saying all this to illustrate that I do not believe players of Mullaney's calibre ought to be in an NRL squad for more than 2 years. You give them a flyer, if they don't have what it takes, throw the cash at a younger bloke!
I kind of believe in "churn" at the bottom of the roster. Never 'settle' for inferior products, try them, if they don't pan out, try something new.
 

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Luke Burt was a 80kg winger that played over 200 first grade games, was our greatest ever goalkicker and point scorer, scored over 100 career tries, had some memorable games for us and won more than he lost for us and now he is some King of not putting in.

The game may have past him somewhat but FFS OMC have some respect mate.

I'm talking about his last 2 years with us.

Definitely didn't put in for his mates.

Show some respect for our jersey Avenger! Don't give hollow respect to cats who didn't try. That's why the club is in the position it's in now.

I don't reckon Burt ever fully recovered mentally from his 2007 injury, and as he aged, his attitude became more "professional" and less "passionate".
 

oldmancraigy

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Isn't it ironic that we're whingen about how bad our wingers are a season after Burt retired, we never had this problem when him and guru junior were playing in the side..

And it's sad that he'd be the best winger in the club if he pulled on a jersey right now! Even if he's 95kgs with a sprained ankle :lol:
 
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