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aqua_duck

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Maybe we should look to England for a hooker if anyone available. Nobody decent available here at the moment?
I doubt any decent Pom would come over knowing Brailey will most likely be first choice when he’s fit again next season (until he gets hurt again)
 

Woody90

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I doubt any decent Pom would come over knowing Brailey will most likely be first choice when he’s fit again next season (until he gets hurt again)
I guess that’s the awkward situation we’re in with Brailey where we’re going to struggle to sign a decent hooker from anywhere while he’s still seen as our main #9.

It’s a hard situation as he’s co-captain and obviously well-loved by the club, and I feel so bad for the bloke but we need to make the tough call and move in another direction. I still hope he can come back and have a couple of injury free years…but I think it should now be as a bench replacement at best…we need to chase a top tier #9 that can hopefully stay on the field.
 

aqua_duck

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I guess that’s the awkward situation we’re in with Brailey where we’re going to struggle to sign a decent hooker from anywhere while he’s still seen as our main #9.

It’s a hard situation as he’s co-captain and obviously well-loved by the club, and I feel so bad for the bloke but we need to make the tough call and move in another direction. I still hope he can come back and have a couple of injury free years…but I think it should now be as a bench replacement at best…we need to chase a top tier #9 that can hopefully stay on the field.
What makes it even more difficult is we have quite a few utilities so hard to even sell the idea of the bench hooker/utility role
 

HarVeeGee

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Brailey doing his ACL so late, and the fact that it’s his second, means he’s probably going to miss most of the pre-season, and tbh I don’t think he’s looked as fit as he did in 2021 since coming back from the Achilles tear. If I was in charge I’d be chatting to him about moving to a two hooker rotation, whether he’s the starter or comes off the bench, and playing him for about 50-60 minutes. I think then it becomes easier to chat to other players - you’re competing with Phoenix/Kurt whoever for guaranteed game time in the hooking role, not just spending another year in reserve grade waiting for a shot.
 

Woosh

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Nine off-contract Newcastle Knights players - headed by starting forwards Tyson Frizell, Lachlan Fitzgibbon and Kurt Mann - are fighting it out for just six remaining top-30 roster spots for 2024.

And that number could drop to just four if the club opts to fill the final two positions left this season before June 30 with players from rival clubs signed to longer-term deals rather than promote from within, which seems the most likely scenario.

It's understood the Knights already have 23 players on top-30 contracts for next season. It will become 24 if emerging Dylan Lucas takes up an option in his favour for next year as expected. That's taking into account the defection of winger Dom Young to the Roosters.

Included in that list of signings are English Super League recruits Kai Pearce-Paul and Will Pryce. It's understood the other new faces in the 2024 top squad will be promoted youngsters Oryn Keeley, Ryan Rivett, Paul Bryan and Myles Martin


Besides Frizell, Fitzgibbon and Mann, the other off-contract players in the top squad are Hymel Hunt, Adam Clune, Bailey Hodgson, Jack Johns, Brodie Jones and Enari Tuala.

Given co-captain Jayden Brailey has suffered a second season-ending knee injury, it would seem imperative the Knights sign a specialist hooker as back-up for next year if another hooker is not signed for the remainder of this season. You would think replacing Young with another winger should also be a priority, particularly if Hunt and Tuala are both cut loose.

If the club was to re-sign Frizell, Fitzgibbon and Mann, who have all performed strongly this season, that could leave only one spot left to be filled.

Where that scenario leaves the likes of Jones and Johns remains to be seen.

BADGE OF HONOUR
Former Knights assistant coach Willie Peters has had a great start to his senior coaching career in England.

Peters' Hull KR side, captained by ex-Knight Shaun Kenny-Dowall, has won its past five matches straight to be sitting third in the Super League competition in his first season at the helm.

One of those wins was against World Club Championship winners St Helens, while they thrashed Hull FC 40-0 in their local derby clash a few weeks back.

Not surprisingly, the club's supporter base are lauding Peters' efforts. So much so, they have even created an "I Love Willie Peters" badge for charity that sold out in a matter of days.

ROOM TO IMPROVE
There is no question the Knights have shown far more resilience and desire this season and probably haven't been fully rewarded for their efforts on the scoreboard.

But if coach Adam O'Brien was looking for areas that need big improvements, we've identified two.

A lack of defensive line speed is one of those areas which the Cowboys exploited last weekend in Townsville. According to stats going into last night's clash against Parramatta, the Knights had, on average, given up more metres per set in defence than any other team.

That suggests the side's line speed is at least among the slowest in the NRL.

Another interesting stat is the team's second-half error rate. The Knights are ranked fifth for completed first-half set percentages but they drop alarmingly to 16th for sets completed in the second half of games.

JACK'S BACK SEAT
Knights prop Jack Hetherington hardly trained in the pre-season with his new club due to off-season surgery and a subsequent injury.

Which may explain to a certain degree his limited playing time this season from the bench. But it's still hard to fathom why he is not being utilised more by coach Adam O'Brien.

Going into last night's clash with the Eels, Hetherington was averaging just 25 minutes per game over the first eight weeks of the competition.

In the preceding two games, he played just 16 minutes against the Cowboys and 21 minutes against Penrith.

BANS PUT A DENT IN JUNIORS
Suspensions could cost the Knights a chance of winning a rare double in today's NSWRL junior grand finals at Leichhardt Oval.

The Knights take on the Eels in the SG Ball (under-19s) and the Bulldogs in the Harold Matthews (under-17s) deciders.

But the Ball side will go in under-strength against Parramatta after the loss of forwards Jermaine McEwen and Tama Whareaorere, who were both suspended after last weekend's preliminary final win.

The Matthews side was also in danger of losing a key player to suspension but star halfback Haami Loza was cleared of a two-match ban.

 

perverse

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If the club was to re-sign Frizell, Fitzgibbon and Mann, who have all performed strongly this season, that could leave only one spot left to be filled.

I just can't fathom why the rest of the world can't see what a useless tit Mann is. It's like I'm living in a bizarro world where being bog average at your best and shit otherwise means you're a great player.

I'm delighted he is off contract though. Surely we can't go around with him again right? That would be unthinkable at this point, yeah?
 

HarVeeGee

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His spot should go to a true #9 like Tyson Smoothy or Kalepo if he can live up to his potential.

Utilities are so overrated and smaller locks are starting to struggle again. You want specialist backup in every spot, and your next best spine player, whoever it is, at 14, whether that’s a second hooker, a half who can defend okay, etc. Honestly, what does Connor Watson or Kurt Mann give you over Jaeman Salmon or Jayden Campbell?
 

Jono078

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It's understood the Knights already have 23 players on top-30 contracts for next season. It will become 24 if emerging Dylan Lucas takes up an option in his favour for next year as expected.

I'm sorry... f**kING what?

The NRL's highest paid player is looking like he'll be going to reserve grade and then we've got actual reserve grade players who have contracts with us, which favour them!!!

What NRL team was chasing Dylan Lucas that it was so important to sweeten his deal like that!

Talking about bending over... FMD
 

perverse

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I'm sorry... f**kING what?

The NRL's highest paid player is looking like he'll be going to reserve grade and then we've got actual reserve grade players who have contracts with us, which favour them!!!

What NRL team was chasing Dylan Lucas that it was so important to sweeten his deal like that!

Talking about bending over... FMD
It's so bizarre. It seems like just about every contract we sign has options in the players favour.

His spot should go to a true #9 like Tyson Smoothy or Kalepo if he can live up to his potential.

Utilities are so overrated and smaller locks are starting to struggle again. You want specialist backup in every spot, and your next best spine player, whoever it is, at 14, whether that’s a second hooker, a half who can defend okay, etc. Honestly, what does Connor Watson or Kurt Mann give you over Jaeman Salmon or Jayden Campbell?
I don't think there's anything wrong with having "that guy" in your squad that can cover a bunch of positions well enough. Having 4 or 5 of them... or more... is absurd.
 

macavity

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If our club was actually capable of identifying and developing talent from our catchment we could have

1. Latrell Mitchell
6. Nicho Hynes

Just let that sink in.
 

Jono078

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If our club was actually capable of identifying and developing talent from our catchment we could have

1. Latrell Mitchell
6. Nicho Hynes

Just let that sink in.
Also remember Nicho was available but we decided to pay more to retain Pearce for 1-year in his mid-30s.

One of the biggest oversights in our history imo. Yeah Nicho was a gamble but it was clear as day we needed to move on from Pearce. Obvious enough when we were only prepared to commit to one year - and all the distractions that come with that.
 

macavity

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Also remember Nicho was available but we decided to pay more to retain Pearce for 1-year in his mid-30s.

One of the biggest oversights in our history imo. Yeah Nicho was a gamble but it was clear as day we needed to move on from Pearce. Obvious enough when we were only prepared to commit to one year - and all the distractions that come with that.

I didn't see it as a gamble at all, he was an upgrade for us at 6, or we move Ponga and he is a kick-arse 1.

He is a coastie kid, surely we would have been in with a massive shot if we targeted him.
 

perverse

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I didn't see it as a gamble at all, he was an upgrade for us at 6, or we move Ponga and he is a kick-arse 1.

He is a coastie kid, surely we would have been in with a massive shot if we targeted him.
The worst part of it is that even if you consider that we wanted to keep Pearce around another year - there was no succession plan. The only bloke we had been grooming in any capacity was Crossland... and by god...

You don't even need to consider Pearce to know that not even going after Nicho was a grossly negligent oversight.

Honestly our ability to identify and actually develop talent through to first grade is totally abysmal as well. Any club pinning their hopes on Crossland at any point is a failure by definition.
 

Spot On

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Also remember Nicho was available but we decided to pay more to retain Pearce for 1-year in his mid-30s.

One of the biggest oversights in our history imo. Yeah Nicho was a gamble but it was clear as day we needed to move on from Pearce. Obvious enough when we were only prepared to commit to one year - and all the distractions that come with that.

A post for the ages.

Pearce definitely pulled the wool over many eyes.
 

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