Rumoured Targets 3

[PhilGould]

According to James Hooper we're chasing Matt Prior.

 

[Frederick]

I don't like that much. Yes he's been good for the sharks, but his entire time at the dragons he was very average.

 

[PhilGould]

I agree. He's been mediocre at best/terrible at worst for pretty much his whole career up until the finals this year (where admittedly he was great).

 

[perverse]

Yeah no thanks to Prior. Shithouse. Worst forward in every pack he's played in, or damn close.

 

[Hardcore_Fan]

Depends on what we are paying him. But he's an experienced grand final winning forward, I also dare say he's a good trainer and leader. Pretty much the same mould as kostjaysn and buhrer.

If he's a depth signing then all is good.

 

[slotmachine]

Matt Scott
2014 - 20 games 175m 28 tackles
2015 - 25 games 138m 27 tackles
2016 - 23 games 126m 22 tackles

If his decline plateaus a 2+1 deal would be OK value. If he keeps falling away you might be paying $700k for Dave Fa'alogo in 2019.

Agree on Prior, his 2016 spike in form is more than likely an outlier I think.Or the Sharks have warmed up their peptide program again.

 

[Knight76]

I never mentioned 600k so I don't know what you mean.

First you say he won't be any value for us on or off the field as he is going to be long term injured and over the hill.

Then, you try to justify that by saying we paid overs. And thus, the value is not there.

So if paying overs, what is his correct value in your opinion? $600pa? 500? My post about 600k was saying he must be value at a lower level, but not 700k according to you.

And that is if we pay 700k per season. The media report what they want. But is that what we are actually paying him? Maybe it is 700k for first year front loaded, then a little less each year after!

It is a risk signing any player so far in advance. The NRL really needs to do something about this as what happens if Scott or Ponga suffer some serious injury that for both affects their performance for years to come. But they still wish to play.

That is why the decent thing to do in this situation is to release the player early, and move them on to their next club. But on the flip side I see the need to respect a contract and honour it.

 

[Johns Magic]

I reckon Prior would be on very little coin at the moment. I don't mind him(love him on end of '16 form) but wouldn't get in a bidding war for him. If we got him for the right price then great.

 

[betcats]

First you say he won't be any value for us on or off the field as he is going to be long term injured and over the hill.

Then, you try to justify that by saying we paid overs. And thus, the value is not there.

So if paying overs, what is his correct value in your opinion? $600pa? 500? My post about 600k was saying he must be value at a lower level, but not 700k according to you.

And that is if we pay 700k per season. The media report what they want. But is that what we are actually paying him? Maybe it is 700k for first year front loaded, then a little less each year after!

It is a risk signing any player so far in advance. The NRL really needs to do something about this as what happens if Scott or Ponga suffer some serious injury that for both affects their performance for years to come. But they still wish to play.

That is why the decent thing to do in this situation is to release the player early, and move them on to their next club. But on the flip side I see the need to respect a contract and honour it.

So the 600k figure you just pulled from nowhere? Lol.

Mate you haven't read what I have said properly at all. I never called him over the hill, I said he has a history of back issues which is a fact, also he will be 33 in june of the first year of the potential 3 year deal, which is a fact. I also said that he isn't going to be able to give you 700k worth of impact on the field in terms of his own personal production, that's my opinion. But I think he has plenty of value for your young side as an experienced rep player but to provide that value he needs to be on the field and training paddock with your young squad to provide that value and if he is injured your squad isn't likely to learn much from him while he is rehabbing. I also said if he picks up a serious injury such as a knee or shoulder that puts him out for 8-12 months than he isn't likely to get back on the field though he will try so he can get his contract money.

I've basically said giving a 3 year big money(IMO) deal to a guy who will be 33 half way through the first year is risky, certainly more risky than if he was 30 or 28, that just seems like common sense to me. If he does an ACL at 33 you really think you will get any value out of him? Not likely.

Now I also said it was a good signing providing he stays relatively fit, I can see why they made and what they are after but it certainly has the potential to work out poorly for Newcastle.

 

[slotmachine]

If he does an ACL he'll be medically retired and the contact will be cap exempt.

 

[Knight76]

Mate you haven't read what I have said properly at all. I never called him over the hill

So you didn't post this?

"At 32/33 he isn't going to produce enough on field to provide any value for money"

How is that not calling him over the hill? Your calling out his age, and saying he won't be any good. I would think most would consider that calling him over the hill.

 

[Spot On]

Matt Scott
2014 - 20 games 175m 28 tackles
2015 - 25 games 138m 27 tackles
2016 - 23 games 126m 22 tackles

If his decline plateaus a 2+1 deal would be OK value. If he keeps falling away you might be paying $700k for Dave Fa'alogo in 2019.

Agree on Prior, his 2016 spike in form is more than likely an outlier I think.Or the Sharks have warmed up their peptide program again.

I think it's a bit unfair to read those numbers as a 'decline' in form. It's shortsighted and naive. I think part of the drop in metres must be attributed to others pulling their weight and the fact that Taumololo plays in the middle and has found his niche as the 3rd prop.

I can't argue with Scott's age but that does not mean shit in regards to ailing ability. That's been proven in the modern game by players such as Petero.

For mine the only concern is the back issue that every one seems to know about yet no one can tell me exactly what the problem is and just how bad it is??? I'm sure there are some knowledgeable blokes in here with the inside info on Scott's broken back.

As for Prior, I can't say I ever thought him to be one of the top tier props going around but he was incredible late last year as has been mentioned. Bloody impressive he was. May just be a vey late bloomer??? I'm not too fussed on him tbh.

 

[Knight76]

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.a...y/news-story/dff5f7eb4057b1e7f913ff203ca65b9a

Sounds like bulging discs.

 

[Spot On]

Mate, that was 18 months ago. People are talking as though his spine needs to be fused together, top to bottom, and Bronwy will have to push him out in a chair for kickoff.

If his back is shot then surely we don't touch him????

 

[Knight76]

Mate, that was 18 months ago. People are talking as though his spine needs to be fused together, top to bottom, and Bronwy will have to push him out in a chair for kickoff.

If his back is shot then surely we don't touch him????

My substantial powers of deduction are telling me....his back isn't that bad!

 

[Caped Crusader]

So Green has gone with Bowen over Ponga

Looks like we won't see him much in FG this year

 

[Burwood]

So Green has gone with Bowen over Ponga

Looks like we won't see him much in FG this year

Green is doing what Brown should have done with Tapine last year- play him in the trials, say that he'll be selected if good enough, and then let him sit in reserve grade for most of the season.

 

[Johns Magic]

Green is doing what Brown should have done with Tapine last year- play him in the trials, say that he'll be selected if good enough, and then let him sit in reserve grade for most of the season.

I agree with what Brown did tbh. Different situation though as we were no chance of winning the competition but Cowboys are.

 

[Glendale]

Green is doing what Brown should have done with Tapine last year- play him in the trials, say that he'll be selected if good enough, and then let him sit in reserve grade for most of the season.

If we kept Tapine we wouldn't of signed Barnett mid year.

 

[Spot On]

Isn't Tapine on 500K plus per season?