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Hardcore_Fan

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My point is not about the cap, it's about timing. If we wait until Cronk makes a decision, we might find other halves have already sorted out their futures. Look how fast the market has been moving lately. After Origin is a long time away.

I'm not convinced we will be making offers and getting a deal done with any half until we know where we stand with Cronk. If I'm wrong, great. I want to be wrong.

I don't think brown and mooney are just going to sit back and twiddle their thumbs while waiting for Cronk to sign. I have no doubt they are looking at other players banking on Cronk not signing.
 

Hardcore_Fan

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I'm not fussed at all if gagai stays or goes.

He reminds me of Mullen. All the skill in the world but we rarely see it. Every year we have great hopes that it will be gagais year, but it never is.

He's no big loss imo. He's not a game breaker, bog average defender, not overly fast or strong. Goes ok in open space and broken field play. I believe he is quite over rated by knights fans. Just my opinion.
 

knightsarmy

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If Gags goes can anyone actually blame him
He has stuck around waiting for us to improve... on and off the field
Honestly what are we doing with recruitment
Remember when Nathen came along they said he will get all these English player over that he coached...um no
Take Ivan Cleary he gets all his ex players he wants
Our recruitment sucks!!
 

perverse

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The problem isn't Gagai's value in a vacuum, or even on the open market. If we lose him, we struggle to even get plodders to sign here. We'll struggle to get juniors to sign up ffs.

People have not paid my whinging about our unpopularity overly much concern over the years, but I reckon you can pull up threads from 7 or 8 years ago talking about how unfashionable Newcastle is to the outside world, or even to what feels like a majority of Novocastrians. Bennett and Tinkler temporarily thwarted that perception with reputation and cold hard cash, but now we've added years of sustained total failure to that perception and are constantly being knocked back by anyone we chase.

We need to keep Gags, we need the good news story. The fact that a story that would be considered a standard traffic bulletin to most supporters might be the best news we hear all year is f**king sad, but that's where we are at.

We won't convince a single player on the open market that we're headed in the right direction if we don't keep him, which restricts us to players who care about money over winning, which isn't where we want to be. It could add years to the "rebuild". We NEED something to go out way, to put one foot in front of the other, because we are not moving forward at the moment. We've got the biggest wallet of any club at the moment and yet we are dead in the water.

It's unfathomable to think that we haven't yet reached rock bottom. Losing Gagai would somehow take us deeper.
 

Frederick

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If Gagai wants elite player $$ and Brown won't give it to him then let him go I say. He's good, and probably the best player in our squad, but he's not an elite player.

His best attribute is he's hard to tackle. It's just about his only positive attribute. He's not particularly fast, he's pretty poor at setting up his winger, he can't find the tryline and we all know how diabolical his defense is.
 

Spot On

Coach
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So at what figure do you stop for Gagai?

Personally, I'd feel sick offering him too much more than the option he currently has on the table with us.
 

Glendale

Juniors
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The problem isn't Gagai's value in a vacuum, or even on the open market. If we lose him, we struggle to even get plodders to sign here. We'll struggle to get juniors to sign up ffs.

People have not paid my whinging about our unpopularity overly much concern over the years, but I reckon you can pull up threads from 7 or 8 years ago talking about how unfashionable Newcastle is to the outside world, or even to what feels like a majority of Novocastrians. Bennett and Tinkler temporarily thwarted that perception with reputation and cold hard cash, but now we've added years of sustained total failure to that perception and are constantly being knocked back by anyone we chase.

We need to keep Gags, we need the good news story. The fact that a story that would be considered a standard traffic bulletin to most supporters might be the best news we hear all year is f**king sad, but that's where we are at.

We won't convince a single player on the open market that we're headed in the right direction if we don't keep him, which restricts us to players who care about money over winning, which isn't where we want to be. It could add years to the "rebuild". We NEED something to go out way, to put one foot in front of the other, because we are not moving forward at the moment. We've got the biggest wallet of any club at the moment and yet we are dead in the water.

It's unfathomable to think that we haven't yet reached rock bottom. Losing Gagai would somehow take us deeper.

This sums it up. Gagai's market value isn't the main issue here. Hell, we could even afford to re-sign him on almost double what he's on at the moment and still have plenty of room left in the cap. If we lose him, we won't be signing anyone. No one will come within cooee of the joint. If Brown can't convince Gagai, who has stated many times his love for the town and the club, to stay, then no one is gonna want to come here for a few years.
And his plan (which I have supported) has definatley not worked.

So at what figure do you stop for Gagai?

Personally, I'd feel sick offering him too much more than the option he currently has on the table with us.

It is a tough situation. Because Brown/Mooney might have to go against their principles a little bit here. But IMO they just have to get it done. If he goes to Cows, Roosters, Storm then we can say fair enough, he wants to be in a competitive team. But if he goes somewhere like Rabbits then he's either deluded, or they've beaten us with what they're offering. So more then likely 2nd option. After all these players we've lost as part of Browns cleanout, supposedly leading to signing quality players, we're about to lose our only rep player because another club has outbid us... How are our fans who have been through so much shit meant to accept that?

Toanswer your question I would be easily comfortable giving him an upgrade to his current contract. Cap is going up, he has been extremely loyal and we can't afford to lose him. Obviously I don't know what Rabbits are offering but I would be comfortable with paying him 600 or even more.

Also, Gagai is coincendentally the oldest player in our starting lineup this weekend and the only player with 100 games. And he's only 26. Browns plan was all about getting experience around the kids... Worrying times if he leaves.
 

Spot On

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To answer your question I would be easily comfortable giving him an upgrade to his current contract. Cap is going up, he has been extremely loyal and we can't afford to lose him. Obviously I don't know what Rabbits are offering but I would be comfortable with paying him 600 or even more.

And that's the offer on the table from us so if he leaves we can't whinge and whine about Brown and Mooney failing to offer him more than enough coin.
 

perverse

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And that's the offer on the table from us so if he leaves we can't whinge and whine about Brown and Mooney failing to offer him more than enough coin.
We can if Souths are offering more. Whatever they're offering, that's the number unfortunately, and we have to match it. If he leaves for Souths for the same or less money, then you can be filthy at Gags all you like. I wouldn't blame him personally, he wants to win football matches and just about anyone is a better chance at that than us.

We can't just lowball him and expect him to stay. We're not in that position. We have no leverage and we need him.
 

perverse

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Gagai leaving isnt going to stop players signing with us. That's ridiculous.
No one single thing does, it's a continued accumulation of bad news that keeps the stink about. I've lost count of the number of times I've had someone say to me "x, y or z isn't going to stop us getting better!" - the point is that we just continue to let this shit happen and go oh well, that situation didn't perfectly fit into our neat little rigid plan, I guess it wasn't meant to be. Suppose we'll wait another few years for something good to happen.

Our only rep player walking out on the team when he's supposedly tight with the coach is a shit look. It's a drop on top a mountainous range of shit, but we need to reverse this trend at some point. We need rep players at the club, not leaving it.

Everyone from outside the club loves to have a go at us for trusting Tinkler with the club, but honestly I still applaud that decision to this day. At least we, as a club, reached for something better for ourselves. Now we just roll over and take it, at least the boys are having a dig right.
 

perverse

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Gagai leaving isn't exactly bad news
Nah it's fantastic. We'll replace him with some 18 year old that probably could have had a career elsewhere, or a journeyman that doesn't give a stuff, or even worse - another Mata'utia will end up there. Or we'll go out and sign someone as great as SKD. Sweet. Then we'll have another $400k to spend on no-one.
 

Johns Magic

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I don't know which side of the fence I sit in regarding us having to keep Gagai, but either way his reputation has soared a ridiculous amount the last 18 months and I don't feel it's justified.

He is good, yes. Not sure I'd fork out 700K for him.
 

perverse

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Another thing - how long do you expect Brown to keep the current playing group on board with his plan when he keeps telling them he's going to get them all these rep stars to teach them how to play? How many years of having their arses flogged before they just flat out give up and we've got another crop of lazy bastards collecting paycheques?

I would imagine Gagai is a bloke that a lot of kids at the club look up to.
 

slotmachine

First Grade
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I think it's very difficult to see how good Gagai is playing in a very very bad side.

Every time he has good players around him like Origin or the All Star game he looks fantastic.

We don't get to pick and choose what we pay if we want rep quality players unfortunately. We'll just end up with a team of Starlings.
 

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