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Rumoured Targets 3

PhilGould

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Toohey's News

- Toohey calls for the Knights to make a play at Cam Munster for 2024 even with Kalyn Ponga signed. He admits it would take some roster manipulation and some young players establishing themselves as first graders, but as it stands there's only 7 Knights under-contract for '24. Doesn't sound like there's any actual indication he's still on the radar, just Toohey hoping he is.
- The plan post-Pearce was for Ponga to transition into the halves and Bailey Hodgson to become the fullback. Toohey says there are now doubts about whether Ponga will ever make that transition, and Hodgson's development has been hindered by injury and COVID.
- Mitch Barnett's Warriors deal is reportedly $1.5m over 3 seasons. Knights would only offer a 1-year extension for considerably less money.
- Will Pryce followed Toohey on Twitter.
 

Sir Galahad

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The Knights should throw their hat in the ring for Munster

Put Hodgson in the halves if not Ponga

Barny needs to get Kurt Mann's manager
 

Knight Tales

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The way Barry is taking about the 2024 salary cap I think the club is going to completely rebuild around KP.
 
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Mr_Knightside

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Whilst I don’t want to do a 2015-2017 level rebuild it’s clear that our roster needs some sharpening up. Unlike the last rebuild we do have a pretty solid core of good players there this time around though which helps.

The following players I'd want to keep as the nucleus for our side in the medium-long term.

KP
Klemmer
DSaf
JSaf
Gags
Best
Clifford
Friz
Brailey (if he makes a successful return from injury)
Young
Lee (if he manages to return to pre-foot injury form)
Croker (as everyone has big wraps on him)
Thompson (assuming he continues to improve)

Then there's some guys who I think are worth keeping on cheap deals to provide some depth and fill out the top 30, although I'm sure some of these guys would get a gig elsewhere for better money and wouldn't necessarily stay to be a fringe first grader here.

Tuala
Hunt
Mann
Clune
Fitzgibbon

Outside of that everyone else we have in the squad can go as far as I'm concerned.

I think our main areas that we need to prioritize upgrading are second row/lock, we need at least two more first grade quality second rowers at the club. I also have concerns about whether Brailey will last in the long term given he's had two ACL injuries already so if I was looking after recruitment at the club I'd also have my eyes open for a couple more hookers as it's clear that we at least need a new backup given Randall doesn't cut it and we might need to replace Brailey in the next year or two if he can't get past his injury woes.

Also I haven't given up on Clune as a decent first grade halfback option but we probably need someone a little more dominant in that position long term so I imagine the club will look to upgrade there as well.
 

Spot On

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Once again we are looking to rebuild.

Is it that the recruitment has been poor or that the clubs ability to develop first grade standard (as a minimum) players has been poor or the coaching has been poor?

Or all three?

So, will any of the above be any different in the next phase of the club’s recruitment, player development and coaching set up?
 

Mr_Knightside

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Once again we are looking to rebuild.

Is it that the recruitment has been poor or that the clubs ability to develop first grade standard (as a minimum) players has been poor or the coaching has been poor?

Or all three?

So, will any of the above be any different in the next phase of the club’s recruitment, player development and coaching set up?
As I said in my previous post I think it's more about sharpening up the roster. We have enough talent currently at the club to be a top 8 team but the problem seems to be our depth because we always fall in a heap whenever we have a few injuries in our top squad.

Didn't we just put Garth Brennan in charge of looking after our pathways? Given he was in the Penrith system for a long time he'd have a pretty good idea of what that looks like. But it will take years to see those changes trickle through to the top.
 

Sir Galahad

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Whilst I don’t want to do a 2015-2017 level rebuild it’s clear that our roster needs some sharpening up. Unlike the last rebuild we do have a pretty solid core of good players there this time around though which helps.

The following players I'd want to keep as the nucleus for our side in the medium-long term.

KP
Klemmer
DSaf
JSaf
Gags
Best
Clifford
Friz
Brailey (if he makes a successful return from injury)
Young
Lee (if he manages to return to pre-foot injury form)
Croker (as everyone has big wraps on him)
Thompson (assuming he continues to improve)

Then there's some guys who I think are worth keeping on cheap deals to provide some depth and fill out the top 30, although I'm sure some of these guys would get a gig elsewhere for better money and wouldn't necessarily stay to be a fringe first grader here.

Tuala
Hunt
Mann
Clune
Fitzgibbon

Outside of that everyone else we have in the squad can go as far as I'm concerned.

I think our main areas that we need to prioritize upgrading are second row/lock, we need at least two more first grade quality second rowers at the club. I also have concerns about whether Brailey will last in the long term given he's had two ACL injuries already so if I was looking after recruitment at the club I'd also have my eyes open for a couple more hookers as it's clear that we at least need a new backup given Randall doesn't cut it and we might need to replace Brailey in the next year or two if he can't get past his injury woes.

Also I haven't given up on Clune as a decent first grade halfback option but we probably need someone a little more dominant in that position long term so I imagine the club will look to upgrade there as well.
good list

Too many average wingers being kept for my liking though. We need big, mobile, strong wingers that bend the line and get our sets off to a great start coming out of our own end - the importance of this cant be understated in the modern game.

Young is our only winger that gets a pass - plenty of tomorrows and could be anything.

Tuala - I'd keep as back-up , he is still developing and I think we are yet to see his best - plenty of tomorrows.

Hunt - is bog average at the best of times , experienced yes but he's a winger so not a great bearing in game day - thanks for the memories.

Lee - cant make it onto the field, made of glass and is well past his prime - isnt a modern winger prototype.

another player I'd say bye bye to is Fitzgibbon - I have yet to see anything other than vanilla since his break out season ( what was it 1 season ?) reached and past his ceiling already. - money better spent on a red hot prospect.
 

Sir Galahad

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s it that the recruitment has been poor or that the clubs ability to develop first grade standard (as a minimum) players has been poor or the coaching has been poor?
Recruitment/retention - C ( fail ) ( besides Friz, Gagai, Cliff )

Development - D ( fail)

Coaching - B ( pass ) We made the 8 twice in a row - I'm hopefull AOB will grow a pair and swing the axe for non performance and raise standards . I havent seen that as yet - could be related to the lack of depth in the squad.
 

Burwood

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Why are we looking to rebuild the squad around Ponga in 2024? By that stage he would already be going into his 7th season at the club- what a complete waste of time 2018-2023 would have been.

No way we want both Saifitis and Klemmer in our cap either- that would have to be close to $2m on three front rowers who provide little impact or point of difference. If Leo develops, he could very easily replace one of them on much less cap space, but we desperately need a front rower who can come on and skittle the defence or throw an offload or two.

Our spine is poor and nowhere near top 4 sides either. Ponga is still too hot and cold and drifts in and out of games far too often. Brailey is injury prone and vanilla, while our halves aren't really anything special as well.
 

Sir Galahad

Juniors
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Why are we looking to rebuild the squad around Ponga in 2024? By that stage he would already be going into his 7th season at the club- what a complete waste of time 2018-2023 would have been.

No way we want both Saifitis and Klemmer in our cap either- that would have to be close to $2m on three front rowers who provide little impact or point of difference. If Leo develops, he could very easily replace one of them on much less cap space, but we desperately need a front rower who can come on and skittle the defence or throw an offload or two.

Our spine is poor and nowhere near top 4 sides either. Ponga is still too hot and cold and drifts in and out of games far too often. Brailey is injury prone and vanilla, while our halves aren't really anything special as well.
Off contract 2023

Jake Clifford, Adam Clune, Lachlan Fitzgibbon, Tyson Frizell, Bailey Hodgson, Hymel Hunt, Jack Johns, Brodie Jones, David Klemmer, Kurt Mann, Chris Randall, Leo Thompson, Enari Tuala, Dominic Young

https://www.zerotackle.com/rugby-league/players/off-contract-2023/
 

Burwood

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My point is why are we, once again, needing to rebuild a team around a guy who has already been here for all these years? When are the good years meant to be?

It's been pretty clear since we first signed Ponga that he is a generational player to build a team around, but we keep signing guys like Brailey, Clune and Clifford. 1/4 of our spine is quality, and even that's only for 50% of the games when bothers to put in.

By the time 2024 rolls around, we should have already had at least 3-4 seasons where we were seriously challenging for the premiership. We'll be lucky to have 1.
 

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