Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

Agree. Austin just has high energy so stands out. All he does is 100 miles an hour.
Is he better then Reynolds? Maybe but its debatable. Reynolds also is playing with an ordnary 1,7,9. If Gutherson can put up 10 lbas and 10 ta id persist with him this season. Problem is so far has none of either in 4 games. Kaysa also none. Id have to check on Bevan.

If Norman punched out 20 of each and your back up partner bangs out 10 of each and your 1 and 9 chips in your looking good.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Why?

I'm challenging the assertion that Austin "has nothing over" Reynolds. Play making hasn't even entered the discussion.

Austin used very differently to Reynolds so they're not even comparable. Beside wearing the same jersey number you could argue they're not even playing the same position. They certainly don't play the same role.

Of course Austin is better than Reynolds at something, but that something isn't anything we need more of, given the context of the overall discussion on our recruitment for 2018.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Do you get an LBA if you create a LB on your own accord? Serious question.

No. That's just a LB as far as I know. Obviously people can collect whatever stats they like though.

 

[hindy111]

Do you get an LBA if you create a LB on your own accord? Serious question.

No and sure gutherson has a few line breaks. But he could play centre and get them there. His job is to create

 

[hindy111]

Reynolds for 2yrs at decent price wouldnt annoy me

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

No. That's just a LB as far as I know. Obviously people can collect whatever stats they like though.

So if nobody is credited with a LBA when you make a LB, is that of equal value to creating a LBA?

 

[Eelementary]

Tbh, LBA's as a measure of a half's creativity are nullified by actual LB's created by the half - and while Gutherson has no LBA's, he's made a few breaks himself.

 

[Happy MEel]

No. That's just a LB as far as I know. Obviously people can collect whatever stats they like though.

Cheers. In that case I'm not sure how my suggestion that halves scoring tries and making line breaks off their own bat would mean they should have more LBAs then the fullback and centres.

 

[hindy111]

So if nobody is credited with a LBA when you make a LB, is that of equal value to creating a LBA?

Yes, but isnt that what a centre does? At some point if your ball skills arent creating breaks or tries your run game will be shut down, unless another play maker puts you in that hole.

 

[Bazal]

Austin used very differently to Reynolds so they're not even comparable. Beside wearing the same jersey number you could argue they're not even playing the same position. They certainly don't play the same role.

Of course Austin is better than Reynolds at something, but that something isn't anything we need more of, given the context of the overall discussion on our recruitment for 2018.

You're trying to shoe horn your own argument into a different one to which yours is completely and utterly irrelevant. Go away

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Yes, but isnt that what a centre does? At some point if your ball skills arent creating breaks or tries your run game will be shut down, unless another play maker puts you in that hole.

But won't your running game be shut down by them aiming more defence at you, which will then make it easier to create LBA for others?

 

[Happy MEel]

Yes, but isnt that what a centre does? At some point if your ball skills arent creating breaks or tries your run game will be shut down, unless another play maker puts you in that hole.

Similarly, if your half has a very strong running game, won't that ensure the defence puts numbers on him, opening up space on the outside? The half may not be attributed with the LBA or TA as the final pass may be thrown further down the backline. However, they caused the overlap. It's the same with most shift plays. The fullback usually throws the final pass but it's usually a simple draw and pass. It's the half and lead runner that create the overlap but they don't figure in the stats.

 

[Happy MEel]

But won't your running game be shut down by them aiming more defence at you, which will then make it easier to create LBA for others?

Beat me to it.

 

[Bazal]

Agree. Austin just has high energy so stands out. All he does is 100 miles an hour.
Is he better then Reynolds? Maybe but its debatable. Reynolds also is playing with an ordnary 1,7,9. If Gutherson can put up 10 lbas and 10 ta id persist with him this season. Problem is so far has none of either in 4 games. Kaysa also none. Id have to check on Bevan.

If Norman punched out 20 of each and your back up partner bangs out 10 of each and your 1 and 9 chips in your looking good.

Austin is much better than Reynolds, and his line break stats will prove that IMO. Are either what we need? Probably not. But you said that Austin has nothing over Reynolds, which is simply and wholly untrue. He is a far better ball runner and that creates opportunities for the players around him.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

So if nobody is credited with a LBA when you make a LB, is that of equal value to creating a LBA?

It's a different thing. LBAs (as I understand them) are designed to capture the act of setting someone else up. But, there's no reason why someone can't decide to add LBAs and LB's together if they want. Though LBALBs sounds more like some equal opportunity group.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Beat me to it.

Yeah but I was just making shit up.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It's a different thing. LBAs (as I understand them) are designed to capture the act of setting someone else up. But, there's no reason why someone can't decide to add LBAs and LB's together if they want. Though LBALBs sounds more like some equal opportunity group.

It does. The latest list is something like LGBTQIA something something

 

[hindy111]

Austin is much better than Reynolds, and his line break stats will prove that IMO. Are either what we need? Probably not. But you said that Austin has nothing over Reynolds, which is simply and wholly untrue. He is a far better ball runner and that creates opportunities for the players around him.

Your opinion. I think they are equal. One just plays under a coach who is more attacking and plays more expansive football and has a better 1,7,9 to help put him thru a hole.

 

[Bazal]

Your opinion. I think they are equal. One just plays under a coach who is more attacking and plays more expansive football and has a better 1,7,9 to help put him thru a hole.

If you think they're equal we'll have to take a few more percent off your nickname. Mr 62% doesn't quite have the same ring to it.....

Austin murders Reynolds as a footballer.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So if nobody is credited with a LBA when you make a LB, is that of equal value to creating a LBA?

Any given linebreak or LBA could mean anything. It is the aggregation of those across a season that indicates the quality of a player (or the quality of the playmaker on his inside).

Austin makes his linebreaks when he is able to get one-on-one with a defender. A nice quality to have, but getting anyone besides a fullback, wing or centre up against an isolated defender is difficult, and requires quality work from inside men. It says a bit about his quality running game but says far more about the situations his team can place him in - the Raiders play a long right side, whereas we attack best on a long left side. In this way Corey Norman benefits from inside work. We are banking on him becoming the type of specialist first receiver who doesn't need inside men always creating space for him (like Austin). The only reason Austin plays in the halves is because he has something resembling a kicking game.