Rumours and Stuff

[Obscene Assassin]

I'm referring to the fullback overcalling Norman (and the ither half). Very different... think back to how well Hayne and Sandow went in the same side.

Oh yeah sandow, he would have done so well without Hayne. If only sandow was able to play the way he wanted to we would have won a comp.

 

[hineyrulz]

Hayne touched the ball in our attack more than most halves do, sure some of that was from kick returns but it was mostly from being the only player in our team that could come up with something in attack and even get somewhat close to executing a play.

If you think Hayne died with the ball when a pass would have been better I'd hate to see what you think about Mick Gordon's attack. Is he a selfish player because he rarely ever passes the ball? Is Bevan French a selfish player because he more often than not declines a hit-up on kick returns? Is Jeff Robson a selfish player because he doesn't take the line on and the player he passes to is basically a sitting duck for the defence?

To parraphrase (lel) the High School principal from Billy Madison

"Mr. Parra47, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LOL!! I'd like this post twice if I could.

 

[Parra47]

Hayne touched the ball in our attack more than most halves do, sure some of that was from kick returns but it was mostly from being the only player in our team that could come up with something in attack and even get somewhat close to executing a play.

If you think Hayne died with the ball when a pass would have been better I'd hate to see what you think about Mick Gordon's attack. Is he a selfish player because he rarely ever passes the ball? Is Bevan French a selfish player because he more often than not declines a hit-up on kick returns? Is Jeff Robson a selfish player because he doesn't take the line on and the player he passes to is basically a sitting duck for the defence?

To parraphrase (lel) the High School principal from Billy Madison

"Mr. Parra47, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

You are now talking about different players with different skill set ability and different physical ability to Hayne.
For example Gordom has a poor passing game, Hayne has a very good one.
French is a very slightly built player who would get smashed hitting the ball up, Hayne is much bigger.
Robson has no where near the skill or vision of Hayne.
So your examples are pointless.
As for your quoting a movie line from a film aimed at 15 year old boys to try and emphasise your point. Embarrassing.

 

[hineyrulz]

You are now talking about different players with different skill set ability and different physical ability to Hayne.
For example Morgan has a poor passing game, Hayne has a very good one.
French is a very slightly built player who would get smashed hitting the ball up, Hayne is much bigger.
Robson has no where near the skill or vision of Hayne.
So your examples are pointless.
As for your quoting a movie line from a film aimed at 15 year old boys to try and emphasise your point. Embarrassing.

But you were happy to compare Fensom's stats as lock and middle forward to a centre and then an edge back rower with no Cartlidge in his knees........

 

[Parra47]

You're a non event, mate. Just another Hayne hater, but not even as intelligent as Phantom Bart. And that's saying something. You rate Fensom ffs :lol:

Hayne is a two time Dally M winning playmaker. No one needs any more proof that he would be a successful 6, because he already was. If you can't see that, then I'd suggest you're the one with a lack of footy knowledge. But, again, Fensom...

Touchy, you really don't like it when someone disagrees with you do you? Unable to hold a conversation based on facts? Yes Fensom was a very good player in his day. Anyone who can't see that has a poor understanding of the game.
Hayne did not win any Dally M's for playing at 6, he won them playing at 1. Get your facts right.
Hayne was given a number of goes at 6 and failed. But don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.
Oh and for the record I would be happy to see Hayne back, have never said I wouldn't. I just don't see him as the saviour you do. I see him as a very talented player in the 1 jumper. However we have Gutherson and French ready to step into that position.

 

[Parra47]

But you were happy to compare Fensom's stats as lock and middle forward to a centre and then an edge back rower with no Cartlidge in his knees........

No. I was replying to someone who said Smith was much better than Fensom. Please follow the entire conversation and don't make a goose of yourself with ill informed comments.

 

[Happy MEel]

I'm referring to the fullback overcalling Norman (and the ither half). Very different... think back to how well Hayne and Sandow went in the same side.

The Blues didn't seem to have any problems with Hayne over calling the halves from fullback in 2014, what makes you think we'll have a problem next year.

For the record I'm pro-Hayne to the halves.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

You are now talking about different players with different skill set ability and different physical ability to Hayne.
For example Gordom has a poor passing game, Hayne has a very good one.
French is a very slightly built player who would get smashed hitting the ball up, Hayne is much bigger.
Robson has no where near the skill or vision of Hayne.
So your examples are pointless.
As for your quoting a movie line from a film aimed at 15 year old boys to try and emphasise your point. Embarrassing.

But if Hayne was selfish and died with the ball how did you know that he had a good passing game (superior to Gordon's), and that he had better vision than Robson? If a selfish player had these traits how would you know they had them?

And if he died with the ball as much as you said he did wouldn't that be sort of a good thing? Hayne is the most powerful/explosive player the game has seen and is extremely quick off the mark wouldn't that have meant he had the vision to see a gap and head towards it?

And yeah mate, a good writer always writes for his audience.

 

[Parra47]

lol this is coming from someone who is championing the cause of a known Plodder like Fensom, I don't claim to be a footy guru but Baz has forgotten more about the game of RL then you will ever know.

Really? I've been watching the game for 30 years. Played the game for 14 years and have been involved in coaching the game for about 10 years. And have not missed an copy of RLW or BL since 1987.
What a stupid thing to say to try and justify your argument.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

The Blues didn't seem to have any problems with Hayne over calling the halves from fullback in 2014, what makes you think we'll have a problem next year.

For the record I'm pro-Hayne to the halves.

I actually think that NSW suffered because Hayne wasn't overcalling the halves. They were being overcalled by Gallen and Bird who wanted to take nothing hit-ups inside the opposition 30. If the ball goes into Hayne's hands more often NSW score 2-3 tries more than they did.

I'm pro-Hayne to Parra. He'll kill it at fullback and he'll kill it in the halves. Much moreso than before because now he actually has a good team around him which invariably makes him better.

 

[ash411]

However we have Gutherson and French ready to step into that position.

Exactly the reason we are advocating Hayne to take the 5/8th role.

Yeah, he didn't do great when he was tried there before, but that was a long time ago, and he wasn't really mentally prepared for that then, he MAY be now.

I am so/so about him coming back, I won't be upset if he doesn't and I won't be if he does. However, I feel the money we will inevitably have to pay him doesn't warrant a fullback spot, especially if singing him means we can't hit the market for a decent half to fill the void left by Foran.

The obvious solution is to fill that void with Hayne, he could be good in the role, if he wants it. and he'll become twice the star he was when he left if he succeeds at it. That's how you sell it to him.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

And have not missed an copy of RLW or BL since 1987.

What a stupid thing to say to try and justify your argument.

 

[Bazal]

Touchy, you really don't like it when someone disagrees with you do you? Unable to hold a conversation based on facts?

Not at all, I just have no patience for morons. Perhaps if you offered a single fact, it would be a different matter?

Hayne did not win any Dally M's for playing at 6, he won them playing at 1. Get your facts right.

Please point out where I said he wore the six as a twio time Dally M winning playmaker?

Hayne was given a number of goes at 6 and failed. But don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.

Did he fail? How do you judge success with the side around him? You have never addressed the players around him being park footy standard and the role that played in his games at 6...perhaps I'm not the one with an agenda?

 

[Ratchy]

Hayne touched the ball in our attack more than most halves do, sure some of that was from kick returns but it was mostly from being the only player in our team that could come up with something in attack and even get somewhat close to executing a play.

Does Hayne want to do 20+ tackles a game week in week out...he doesn't strike me as someone who is overly keen to do that

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Does Hayne want to do 20+ tackles a game week in week out...he doesn't strike me as someone who is overly keen to do that

He'd have to do more running as a fullback so what he gains in more tackles he loses in having to run less metres overall.

 

[Parra47]

But if Hayne was selfish and died with the ball how did you know that he had a good passing game (superior to Gordon's), and that he had better vision than Robson? If a selfish player had these traits how would you know they had them?

And if he died with the ball as much as you said he did wouldn't that be sort of a good thing? Hayne is the most powerful/explosive player the game has seen and is extremely quick off the mark wouldn't that have meant he had the vision to see a gap and head towards it?



Please point out where I said he wore the six as a twio time Dally M winning playmaker?



Did he fail? How do you judge success with the side around him? You have never addressed the players around him being park footy standard and the role that played in his games at 6...perhaps I'm not the one with an agenda?

Not at all, I just have no patience for morons. Perhaps if you offered a single fact, it would be a different matter?



Please point out where I said he wore the six as a twio time Dally M winning playmaker?



Did he fail? How do you judge success with the side around him? You have never addressed the players around him being park footy standard and the role that played in his games at 6...perhaps I'm not the one with an agenda?

Hayne is the most explosive powerful player the game has seen is he? Ever heard of Arthur Beatson?
You said Hayne won two Dally Ms as a playmaker. No he won them as a fullback.
Yes he failed. I judge success by the team winning and the coach believing he was the right player for the 6 jumper. We didn't win and Hayne was put back to 1. SO yes a fail.
As I've said before I'd be happy to see Hayne back but not as a half. I think you are letting your man crush on Hayne cloud your judgement.
Anyway lets see what happens next year and then we'll see who is right. I have no interest in trying to convince you of anything and your resorting to childish posts is of no interest to me.

 

[Parra47]

What a stupid thing to say to try and justify your argument.

Like a bad reporter with an agenda, only quoting a small part of a comment and ignoring the rest. Agenda?

 

[Parra47]

He'd have to do more running as a fullback so what he gains in more tackles he loses in having to run less metres overall.

What? Have you ever played the game? Running the ball and defending are very different in the energy required.

 

[ash411]

What? Have you ever played the game? Running the ball and defending are very different in the energy required.

And you're the only person on this forum that has ever played Rugby League? You're the only one who understands what it takes to play?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Everyone was more than happy to pay a pill popping, gambling, depressed half with no kicking game $1.2m yet if it's Hayne it's not on.

That $1.2M wasn't all on the cap until we got caught cheating. After that nobody was happy with his value. But Hayne's a much better player (though not as good as a half) than Foran so he would cost a lot more.