Rumours and Stuff

[Bazal]

You said Hayne won two Dally Ms as a playmaker. No he won them as a fullback.

Why does being at fullback preclude him from being a playmaker? I thought you claimed to know rugby league? Apparently not with a statement like that

Yes he failed. I judge success by the team winning and the coach believing he was the right player for the 6 jumper. We didn't win and Hayne was put back to 1. SO yes a fail.

So you judge the failings of a sub standard football side on one player, rather than the poor roster? Once again, not showing yourself as the rugby league luminary you claim to be. That is quite simply the most ignorant, small-minded opinion you could hold on the matter. If a chain breaks, do you blame the strongest link?

 

[Parra47]

And you're the only person on this forum that has ever played Rugby League? You're the only one who understands what it takes to play?

Did I say that? No I did not. However if anyone thinks running the ball takes an equal amount of energy to making tackles, they really don't understand the energy levels required for different aspects of the game.

 

[Bazal]

And you're the only person on this forum that has ever played Rugby League? You're the only one who understands what it takes to play?

I sincerely doubt he's ever played tbh

 

[Parra47]

Why does being at fullback preclude him from being a playmaker? I thought you claimed to know rugby league? Apparently not with a statement like that



So you judge the failings of a sub standard football side on one player, rather than the poor roster? Once again, not showing yourself as the rugby league luminary you claim to be. That is quite simply the most ignorant, small-minded opinion you could hold on the matter. If a chain breaks, do you blame the strongest link?

You said Hayne won the awards as a playmaker. No he won them playing from the fullback position. He is a brilliant runner of the ball. He did not win them from a 'playmaker' position As for your continued childish abuse, its the simple under developed mind that resorts to abuse whey they fail to be able to form an intelligent or truthful argument.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Hayne is the most explosive powerful player the game has seen is he? Ever heard of Arthur Beatson?

Nah who is that?They're from different eras, of course Hayne is going to have more power. Maybe if Beetson had the training that Hayne has had he would be up there but there's just no way that the players of the past (even the really athletic ones for the time) would be even close to the average NRL player of today in terms of athleticism.

 

[Parra47]

I sincerely doubt he's ever played tbh

I played 14 years in group 7. If you want me to send you the two clubs I played for and you can phone them to check just send me a private message.
Along with being involved in coaching for the past 10 years.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No I don't. For all of Hayne's brilliance, he is a pretty selfish type of player and some might argue that had something to do with out lack of success for most of the years he was with us. (along with plenty of other problems).And Hayne got more than just one go at 6 over the years, and not just with that line up you have chosen to show.
He does not have the game to game temperament to play in the halves. That is why fullback suits him, he can be individualistic and play his own game to an extent whereas he can't do that at 6.
Its like Greg Inglis, he can fill in at 6 and have a good game here and there, he even won grand final playing at 6. However he is not a full time 6, it just does not suit his game, same as Hayne.
If we are going to be a contender for the title next year we need to find a good half to partner Norman.

Hayne needs space to utilise his running game, which is his biggest strength. That space just isn't as common in the halves so his running game is wasted there.

 

[Bazal]

You said Hayne won the awards as a playmaker. No he won them playing from the fullback position. He is a brilliant runner of the ball. He did not win them from a 'playmaker' position As for your continued childish abuse, its the simple under developed mind that resorts to abuse whey they fail to be able to form an intelligent or truthful argument.

Shall I ask in capital letters so you understand it better?

WHY DOES PLAYING FULLBACK PRECLUDE A PLAYER FROM BEING A PLAYMAKER?

 

[eels_fan]

If you are paying a bloke upwards of $800k-$1m, you play him wherever HE wants to play, and his signing is based on that decision. It's no different to Norman wanting to play in the halves despite being a decent FB. BA wouldn't say, "we're out of fullback options, You're up!" (Maybe for a game in an injury crisis, but not for a season or longer).

You dont pay someone over 10% of your cap and then force them to play in a position they don't want to play in.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Agree, his last 2 years he played exactly the way that Morgan plays from the Cows does now. Only difference is that Hayne can run the ball like Morgan and pass the ball like JT.

Morgan is stuck on one side of the field and never has to kick.

 

[Parra47]

Nah who is that?They're from different eras, of course Hayne is going to have more power. Maybe if Beetson had the training that Hayne has had he would be up there but there's just no way that the players of the past (even the really athletic ones for the time) would be even close to the average NRL player of today in terms of athleticism.

Of course not, however I was replying to a comment that Hayne is the most powerful explosive player to play the game. That is a foolish ill informed comment to make.

 

[hineyrulz]

No. I was replying to someone who said Smith was much better than Fensom. Please follow the entire conversation and don't make a goose of yourself with ill informed comments.

You were replying to me, then you rambled on about stats and as i said they were two different players. Could not compare there stats at all. But go on keeping making a tithead out of yourself.

 

[ash411]

Did I say that? No I did not. However if anyone thinks running the ball takes an equal amount of energy to making tackles, they really don't understand the energy levels required for different aspects of the game.

Sounds like you think you do..

You sound as if you believe you're the only person that has ever played the game, and are uniquely qualified to talk about it, and others who feel differently to you, are not.

Which I can assure you, isn't the case. I'd say a vast majority of posters (i.e. over 90%) on this forum are quite knowledgeable in terms of the game (granted they may have missed an edition or two of RLW though) and understand full well what it takes to play the game.

Hayne is a professional athlete, If he can't handle defending maybe he shouldn't be one at all then. I severely doubt Hayne would have any trouble defending, especially now, he is physically a lot different now than he was when he left us in 2014, and may actually be more suited to a halves role now than he was before, and inversely, less suited to a fullback role. But then, I doubt he'd have any trouble with either position IMO.

 

[ash411]

I sincerely doubt he's ever played tbh

No I believe him, I just resent the fact that he believes he knows more about RL than anyone else on this forum, which is rubbish..

 

[hineyrulz]

Really? I've been watching the game for 30 years. Played the game for 14 years and have been involved in coaching the game for about 10 years. And have not missed an copy of RLW or BL since 1987.
What a stupid thing to say to try and justify your argument.

All that experience and involvement and you still have no idea

 

[Parra47]

Sounds like you think you do..

You sound as if you believe you're the only person that has ever played the game, and are uniquely qualified to talk about it, and others who feel differently to you, are not.

Which I can assure you, isn't the case. I'd say a vast majority of posters (i.e. over 90%) on this forum are quite knowledgeable in terms of the game (granted they may have missed an edition or two of RLW though) and understand full well what it takes to play the game.

Hayne is a professional athlete, If he can't handle defending maybe he shouldn't be one at all then. I severely doubt Hayne would have any trouble defending, especially now, he is physically a lot different now than he was when he left us in 2014, and may actually be more suited to a halves role now than he was before, and inversely, less suited to a fullback role. But then, I doubt he'd have any trouble with either position IMO.

So you think running the ball takes the same amount of energy as defending?
No I am sure most on here have played before.
You should never assume.

 

[Parra47]

All that experience and involvement and you still have no idea

Because I have a different opinion to you? Sorry champ different opinions are part of life, time to get used to the idea

 

[phantom eel]

Hayne is a two time Dally M winning playmaker.

Is that a new Dally M category I missed? I thought Hayne won for Player of the Year and Fullback of the Year, not "playmaker"?

Gavin Miller twice won Dally M Player of the Year, but it didn't automatically make him a "playmaker".

No one needs any more proof that he would be a successful 6, because he already was.

Huh? One of your best Bazal - a Dally M Player of the Year is proof enough that someone would be a successful 6, even though he was a successful 6 already - even though he actually wasn't? Lol.

If you can't see that, then I'd suggest you're the one with a lack of footy knowledge.

Are you sure Pou didn't hack your log in for a minute there?

 

[Parra47]

No I believe him, I just resent the fact that he believes he knows more about RL than anyone else on this forum, which is rubbish..

I have never said that. I was replying to someone who stated I don't know or understand RL. That is not putting myself above anyone. Its putting forward my experience and involvement in the game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You said Hayne won the awards as a playmaker. No he won them playing from the fullback position. He is a brilliant runner of the ball. He did not win them from a 'playmaker' position As for your continued childish abuse, its the simple under developed mind that resorts to abuse whey they fail to be able to form an intelligent or truthful argument.

Mate, I'm with you that Hayne is much better at fullback, but to say he's not a playmaker is wrong.

The reasons he shouldn't play half are related to his lack of workrate (in both tackling and staying busy off the ball) and the fact his running game would be wasted. Obviously his lack of involvement off the ball hurts him as a fullback too, but nobody's perfect. Hayne is a quality playmaker though. Better than most NRL halves.