Rumours and Stuff

[phantom eel]

The Blues didn't seem to have any problems with Hayne over calling the halves from fullback in 2014, what makes you think we'll have a problem next year.

For the record I'm pro-Hayne to the halves.

Because it never worked for us in the years 2010-2014. What makes you think signing Hayne will work for anything other than his bank account in 2017?

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Like a bad reporter with an agenda, only quoting a small part of a comment and ignoring the rest. Agenda?

Everyone can see your entire post already. I wasn't ignoring the rest, the rest just didn't need to be answered. Anyway I'll comment on it since you're so uptight about me answering it.

Really? I've been watching the game for 30 years. Played the game for 14 years and have been involved in coaching the game for about 10 years. And have not missed an copy of RLW or BL since 1987.
What a stupid thing to say to try and justify your argument.

Many people have watched the game for many years, that doesn't make them an expert in the field of it though. There's some die-hards out there that have watched the game for far longer than you have and they understand less than you do. Also playing the game is exactly the same, I played cricket for many years doesn't mean I was good at it nor did I know much about it, doesn't mean I didn't play it. At what level are you coaching? If it's anything below a development coach for the 14's at an NRL club then that doesn't really count either. But wow you haven't missed a copy of RLW or BL since 1987? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. I did quote the wrong part of your comment, I meant to only quote the top half but not this part. If you've bought not only the Rugby League Week, which has some great articles written by such scholars as Tony Adams a.k.a The Mole, and Mark Geyer but ALSO The Big League I'm sure you have a wealth of knowledge about the game. How much has this cost you over the years?

 

[ash411]

So you think running the ball takes the same amount of energy as defending?
No I am sure most on here have played before.
You should never assume.

Show me the post where I said that... Defending saps a hell of a lot of energy out of you, I know first hand.

You wouldn't know it by the sound of you, spouting off your "resume" as if most people on this forum haven't done exactly the same as you. We've all watched RL for years, many of us have probably played as well, some have probably had a hand in coaching, I know there are some here heavily involved in Junior RL.

Because I have a different opinion to you? Sorry champ different opinions are part of life, time to get used to the idea

Hypocrite. You did exactly the same thing!

Trying to use your "resume" as a point of difference between you and those you disagree with is the exact same thing, then saying that if they don't agree then they obviously have no idea about the game, and aren't qualified to talk on the subject (I'm paraphrasing). Don't get on your high horse there.

 

[Bazal]

Is that a new Dally M category I missed? I thought Hayne won for Player of the Year and Fullback of the Year, not "playmaker"?

Huh? One of your best Bazal - a Dally M Player of the Year is proof enough that someone would be a successful 6, even though he was a successful 6 already - even though he actually wasn't? Lol.

Are you sure Pou didn't hack your log in for a minute there?

Are you as thick as 47, or just blinded by your ridiculous Hayne hatred? Perhaps you can answer the question he refuses to...in what way does being a fullback preclude him from being a playmaker?

 

[phantom eel]

Shall I ask in capital letters so you understand it better?

WHY DOES PLAYING FULLBACK PRECLUDE A PLAYER FROM BEING A PLAYMAKER?

It doesn't. But you claimed Hayne won Dally M Awards FOR being a playmaker. He won them for Fullback of the Year and Player of the Year.

There is no award for being a playmaker, wake up Baz!

 

[Bazal]

It doesn't. But you claimed Hayne won Dally M Awards FOR being a playmaker. He won them for Fullback of the Year and Playmaker of the Year.

There is no award for being a playmaker, wake up Baz!

Right, extra credit. As our leading playmaker during those years, do you think that his playmaking ability had anything to do with winning the Dally M?

I'd also challenge you to actually read what I said, which is that he was a two time Dally M winning playmaker, not that he won the award as Dally M Playmaker of the year twice. But you already knew that, I presume. Intentionally being obtuse is still just being obtuse.

 

[Parra47]

Show me the post where I said that... Defending saps a hell of a lot of energy out of you, I know first hand.

You wouldn't know it by the sound of you, spouting off your "resume" as if most people on this forum haven't done exactly the same as you. We've all watched RL for years, many of us have probably played as well, some have probably had a hand in coaching, I know there are some here heavily involved in Junior RL.


Hypocrite. You did exactly the same thing!

Trying to use your "resume" as a point of difference between you and those you disagree with is the exact same thing, then saying that if they don't agree then they obviously have no idea about the game, and aren't qualified to talk on the subject (I'm paraphrasing). Don't get on your high horse there.

As I have already said, I listed my experience and level of involvement in the game as someone questioned my knowledge of the game. But I already explained that.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

You said Hayne won the awards as a playmaker. No he won them playing from the fullback position. He is a brilliant runner of the ball. He did not win them from a 'playmaker' position As for your continued childish abuse, its the simple under developed mind that resorts to abuse whey they fail to be able to form an intelligent or truthful argument.

In the system that we were using Hayne was a playmaker, yes even at "fullback" or should I say wearing the number 1 jersey?

 

[Parra47]

Anyway as I said from the beginning, next year will show us all who is right about Hayne and who is wrong.

 

[Bazal]

In the system that we were using Hayne was a playmaker, yes even at "fullback" or should I say wearing the number 1 jersey?

Sean Fensom 47 believes that a fullback cannot possibly be a playmaker

 

[hineyrulz]

Because I have a different opinion to you? Sorry champ different opinions are part of life, time to get used to the idea

You are the one who is seeming to get upset, telling me i had no idea for having a different opinion to you. I don't care what you think, i'm not the one big noting how much i played or how many copies of RLW i own.

 

[ash411]

Anyway as I said from the beginning, next year will show us all who is right about Hayne and who is wrong.

Maybe we'll have a cake for the winner, cause that's important...

 

[Parra47]

In the system that we were using Hayne was a playmaker, yes even at "fullback" or should I say wearing the number 1 jersey?

As Phantom is trying to explain to you, there is no award for 'play maker'. He played fullback. That is the position he played, not 6 and not 7.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Sounds like you think you do..

You sound as if you believe you're the only person that has ever played the game, and are uniquely qualified to talk about it, and others who feel differently to you, are not.

Which I can assure you, isn't the case. I'd say a vast majority of posters (i.e. over 90%) on this forum are quite knowledgeable in terms of the game (granted they may have missed an edition or two of RLW though) and understand full well what it takes to play the game.

Hayne is a professional athlete, If he can't handle defending maybe he shouldn't be one at all then. I severely doubt Hayne would have any trouble defending, especially now, he is physically a lot different now than he was when he left us in 2014, and may actually be more suited to a halves role now than he was before, and inversely, less suited to a fullback role. But then, I doubt he'd have any trouble with either position IMO.

I reckon he's more suited to the halves now. After transforming his body to be more about anaerobic fitness rather than aerobic the distance that he would have to cover at fullback may be too much. But then again he did transform his body in such a short amount of time to a completely different sport/role than what he was used to that he'd have no problems changing back. Plus his time spent training with the Fijian 7's side would have meant that he's built back up his aerobic fitness levels.

 

[ash411]

You are the one who is seeming to get upset, telling me i had no idea for having a different opinion to you. I don't care what you think, i'm not the one big noting how much i played or how many copies of RLW i own.

I have every copy of "Ralph" magazine, does that make me an expert on women?

 

[phantom eel]

Right, extra credit. As our leading playmaker during those years, do you think that his playmaking ability had anything to do with winning the Dally M?

I'd also challenge you to actually read what I said, which is that he was a two time Dally M winning playmaker, not that he won the award as Dally M Playmaker of the year twice. But you already knew that, I presume. Intentionally being obtuse is still just being obtuse.

No one's saying Hayne doesn't have some playmaking abilities Baz.

Some people are saying:
a) Hayne didn't win an award for his playmaking (like you erroneously tried to claim), and
b) Hayne doesn't have sufficient playmaking abilaities to play permanently/80min in the front line at 6 (as evidenced by his poor fist of things when previously tried at 6)
c) Baming the team around Hayne for his poor showing at 6 conveniently forgets that true playmakers on equivalent salaries (Thurston, Johns, Cronk etc) would still look good as a 6 behind a beaten pack or in a beaten side - frustrated yet, but still looking like a playmaker
d) Hayne is much better when he is chiming into attack at a time of his choosing (i.e. from fullback), and despite his effectiveness he would still "go missing" for significant sections of a game (inexcusable at 6/ as main playmaker)

Thanks for playing Baz!

 

[Obscene Assassin]

He won them for Fullback of the Year and Playmaker of the Year.

There is no award for being a playmaker, wake up Baz!

Uhh what?

 

[Bazal]

As Phantom is trying to explain to you, there is no award for 'play maker'. He played fullback. That is the position he played, not 6 and not 7.

I'll simplify it even more for you. And for phantom bart, for that matter

In his PLAYMAKING ROLE at the PARRAMATTA FOOTBALL CLUB, he won TWO DALLY M AWARDS.

Get it?

 

[ash411]

I reckon he's more suited to the halves now. After transforming his body to be more about anaerobic fitness rather than aerobic the distance that he would have to cover at fullback may be too much. But then again he did transform his body in such a short amount of time to a completely different sport/role than what he was used to that he'd have no problems changing back. Plus his time spent training with the Fijian 7's side would have meant that he's built back up his aerobic fitness levels.

I think his bigger frame would suit well in the halves, he'll still have his speed, he still did when he was in the NFL, His added strength might help with line breaks and such if he's more up the front rather than hanging back.

But in the end it really is up to BA. where ever BA decides he wants him to play, that's where he plays.

 

[Bazal]

No one's saying Hayne doesn't have some playmaking abilities Baz.

Some people are saying:
a) Hayne didn't win an award for his playmaking (like you erroneously tried to claim), and
b) Hayne doesn't have sufficient playmaking abilaities to play permanently/80min in the front line at 6 (as evidenced by his poor fist of things when previously tried at 6)
c) Baming the team around Hayne for his poor showing at 6 conveniently forgets that true playmakers on equivalent salaries (Thurston, Johns, Cronk etc) would still look good as a 6 behind a beaten pack or in a beaten side - frustrated yet, but still looking like a playmaker
d) Hayne is much better when he is chiming into attack at a time of his choosing (i.e. from fullback), and despite his effectiveness he would still "go missing" for significant sections of a game (inexcusable at 6/ as main playmaker)

Thanks for playing Baz!

So do you believe that

A) Hayne was not a playmaker when he won two Dally M awards, or
B) Hayne's playmaking ability did not contribute in any way to his Dally M wins?