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I bleed blue & gold

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How good is this photo???

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parra pete

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Nice story Pete.

Was your brother known as Parra Paul?

Don't tell me you have a sister Mary?


Parra Paul!!!! :lol: He wasn't different kind of supporter than me. He used to clap when the opposition crossed for what he called "a ggod try" :lol:..Paul was one of the selectors for the Australian Schoolboys team in 1972 - the first Schoolboys team to tour England (Roy Masters coach). He coached NSW CHS Open team for a couple of seasons (replacing Roy who went to Wests)- teams which included players who went onto be household names. He coached Inverell in mid sixties in Group 5, and was a very very good player. He passed away a couple of years ago after a long teaching career at Camden High School. He was my best mate, my hero and my inspiration, and I miss him very much..RIP Paul..
 
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Parra Paul!!!! :lol: He wasn't different kind of supporter than me. He used to clap when the opposition crossed for what he called "a ggod try" :lol:..Paul was one of the selectors for the Australian Schoolboys team in 1972 - the first Schoolboys team to tour England (Roy Masters coach). .

Was that the year of the famous 26-9 Grand Final victory for Hay?
 

phantom eel

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My argument is that one of these cut offs is defensive work rate, and for NRL hookers it appears to be around the 0.5 tackles per minute mark.
My counter argument is that no matter how you dice it, King's stat (and those of the other three) isn't stopping them playing NRL at all - and in King's case, has no impact on his team's ability to threaten in attack or indeed win games. In order words, despite your denials you are cherry picking stats to support you pre-determined line of discussion.

If you don't agree with it that's your business. It's not going to get any more convincing. You'd best establish your own theory on why King has played so much reserve grade.
Well if it's not going to get any more convincing, then it's not worth prompting you to provide more support for why that stat is "significant" or why King et all aren't doing "enough" - even though it's not stopping them playing first grade in winning teams.

Instead of fixating on a random stat, I would theorise that King hasn't played much first grade over the years due a combination of injuries, and not being the best option available (for whatever reason - coach's preference, dynamic between strengths of other players in the spine etc) at a particular club when he was fit. Simple, no dodgy use of stats required!
 

Poupou Escobar

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My counter argument is that no matter how you dice it, King's stat (and those of the other three) isn't stopping them playing NRL at all - and in King's case, has no impact on his team's ability to threaten in attack or indeed win games. In order words, despite your denials you are cherry picking stats to support you pre-determined line of discussion.


Well if it's not going to get any more convincing, then it's not worth prompting you to provide more support for why that stat is "significant" or why King et all aren't doing "enough" - even though it's not stopping them playing first grade in winning teams.

Instead of fixating on a random stat, I would theorise that King hasn't played much first grade over the years due a combination of injuries, and not being the best option available (for whatever reason - coach's preference, dynamic between strengths of other players in the spine etc) at a particular club when he was fit. Simple, no dodgy use of stats required!
The stats show he doesn't offer much. But if his backup's salary allows him to be surrounded with talent then of course his team will remain competitive.
 

phantom eel

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Exactly. And hence the stat you are bandying about is of little significance, and (as demonstrated to the stats-less naked eye) he is doing "enough" to contribute favoruably within the team.
 

phantom eel

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Indeed - are you implying King is your preferred scapegoat (complete with pre-prepared stat), if we lose our next game?

Why not simply watch the game and if necessary put blame on the guys who miss the easy tackles, move up out of the line, or give away the key turnover etc?
 

Poupou Escobar

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There's no scapegoat with me. Just because a player plays his worst (or best) doesn't mean I change my opinion of him. I look at his performance (or lack thereof) over time.

Just because Kritchard tackles at 96% effectiveness in his last four games with us doesn't mean he is now a high tackle effectiveness player. Because four games isn't even close to a good sample for forming an opinion.

But I'll be watching to see if King's work rate improves.

As for the 'key' turnover or other 'moment', that's more dumb fan bullshit. It's only pivotal if the team allows it to be. One player's mistake or missed tackle is worth no more than any other until circumstance makes it appear so.
 

phantom eel

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Profound... except a missed tackle on one's line which results in 6 points is underdoubted worth more than a missed tackle downfield where a cover tackle stops the line break... but carry on the stat nonsense!
 

Poupou Escobar

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Profound... except a missed tackle on one's line which results in 6 points is underdoubted worth more than a missed tackle downfield where a cover tackle stops the line break... but carry on the stat nonsense!
Except it isn't from the point of view of the player missing the tackle. If you're going to miss a tackle you don't get to choose the outcome. You can only wish you had harder working, more desperate teammates pushing across to help clean up.
 

Soren Lorenson

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Except it isn't from the point of view of the player missing the tackle.
I would argue that sometimes it is. There's an undoubted mental toll that goes with letting down your team mates. Some players respond and lift and improve and some fail to do so and continue to make the same mistakes over again. Maybe they are the ones who have shorter careers. I don't know. There's no stats that can account for this. Bottom line for me is that Cam King has poor stats (which I admittedly didn't realise) but just seems to 'fit' well in our current team for whatever reason so good luck to us for once.
 

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