Rumours and Stuff

[Noise]

We need to forget off contracted players, they're too expensive.

Who wasn't off contract at this stage last year, yet played for a different club from the start of 2016?

Jennings, Gutherson and Scott are three that immediately spring to mind
Roberts, Copley, Hiku, Lafai and any others involved in the centres roundabout in the offseason.
Sam Burgess was playing rugby, Walker and McQueen were at Souths
Taupau was at the Tigers

We need to think outside the box.

I'm not disagreeing that we need to think outside the box. I am just predicting what I think will happen regarding ours (and other teams) half and hooker options

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Ok so he's a leader amount scumbags. I'll give you that. Even scumbags need a leader.

They do. There are plenty of strong leaders on the wrong side of the law. If you don't like the term 'leader' (because of its positive connotations) then replace it with 'influential'.

 

[Roadrunner]

I'm liking the fact that BA has said we have money to chase a specialist half and there is no leaks coming from our club saying he are talking to this player or that player etc etc.
There was a bit of a whisper we are after Reynolds but that was the media putting a player not happy at his club together with a club looking for a player in his position.
I'd like to hear nothing til the day the club is announcing a signing.

The leaks had stopped. Only wants to hear good news...... such as Corey have re-signed etc etc etc ......

 

[Jake the snake]

He is bog average. Unless he can last more then 5 minutes fitness wise he is going to have a tough time of it with BA. He was huffing and puffing two minutes into both his stints.

Had a good look at him last week against Newcastle ... Not impressed at all.

 

[Chipmunk]

I'm not disagreeing that we need to think outside the box. I am just predicting what I think will happen regarding ours (and other teams) half and hooker options

I'm pretty confident that the club will come up with a significant signing at half back. I wouldn't be expecting anything announced before the end of the season though.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm a new member but have been lurking for ages and I think that was the most ridiculous thing Pou has ever posted.

I think a lot of people don't understand leadership because in modern Western society there's not much need for it. These days it is best seen in certain subcultures (including sporting teams and criminals). What a lot of people think of as leadership would be better termed 'management'.

There are strong leaders ('influential' players) in the NRL that are potentially bad influences. These are guys you don't want at your club, because of their potential to lead other players astray. Was Kieren Foran a bad influence on any of our players? Norman and Paulo both went off the rails, but they didn't seem part of Foran's Central Coast bogan peer group. Then again they both probably knew Foran was mixing with dodgies and were influenced by the example he set. But if so this proves his leadership credentials even as it proves he shouldn't have been our captain.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I disagree, I don't see much in his game. He's not a bad player but nothing like how Junior used to trample players. I'd like to see his stats for this year. I could be wrong but he will ever only be a bench player.

What's wrong with bench players? You need four of them. Kenny Edwards was our best last night and he's a bench player. Wicks was pretty good off the bench as well.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

They seem to be doing what Hayson wants, so I don't think he's their leader.

Beau Scott seems to be doing what Arthur's wants. Does that mean he's not a leader?

 

[Chipmunk]

Beau Scott seems to be doing what Arthur's wants. Does that mean he's not a leader?

We're a chance of winning any game when Beau Scott's on the field.

I'm guessing his attitude at the Club from Day 1 is what has transformed this football team.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Agree about Vave ... he's just average

He's no star, mostly because of his inability to play big minutes. But he does offer plenty of attack while he's on the field. I dare say that if we sign him our bench rotation will revolve around trying to get as many carries from him as we can while minimising his periods of fatigue.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

2 from 2 so far. Which means the last off contract half is Benji Marshall lol

Just because he is a shadow of the superstar he was doesn't mean he's not still a first grader.

 

[Happy MEel]

I think a lot of people don't understand leadership because in modern Western society there's not much need for it. These days it is best seen in certain subcultures (including sporting teams and criminals). What a lot of people think of as leadership would be better termed 'management'.

There are strong leaders ('influential' players) in the NRL that are potentially bad influences. These are guys you don't want at your club, because of their potential to lead other players astray. Was Kieren Foran a bad influence on any of our players? Norman and Paulo both went off the rails, but they didn't seem part of Foran's Central Coast bogan peer group. Then again they both probably knew Foran was mixing with dodgies and were influenced by the example he set. But if so this proves his leadership credentials even as it proves he shouldn't have been our captain.

Did Foran lead any of our players to overdose on pain killers? Did anyone else not turn up to the community event that was meant to? Has anyone else not turned up to rehab sessions, games or training whilst under contract?

No???

Well then I think Foran had very little influence on this playing group and you're basing your assumption of leadership on the fact he had a (c) next to his name.

One thing we can agree on is most people don't understand leadership....the thing is though, you're actually one of them.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Beau Scott seems to be doing what Arthur's wants. Does that mean he's not a leader?

Eddie is Kieran's boss?

 

[Happy MEel]

Beau Scott seems to be doing what Arthur's wants. Does that mean he's not a leader?

You're right. I think BA is absolutely a leader of men. What's your point?

 

[Jake the snake]

What's wrong with bench players? You need four of them. Kenny Edwards was our best last night and he's a bench player. Wicks was pretty good off the bench as well.

I didn't say anything was wrong with bench players. Actually I will say that Vave would not make our bench.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We're a chance of winning any game when Beau Scott's on the field.

I'm guessing his attitude at the Club from Day 1 is what has transformed this football team.

Well you are only guessing. While you can say Beau Scott hasn't stopped our squad from maintaining its positive attitude throughout the year, you can say the same for any of our leaders. What you can't do is directly attribute the influence of any one player on the squad, because we are unable to isolate the impact of any individual leader. The most definite thing we can say is that our playing group has very strong leadership. Who are the leaders? We know that captains Mannah, Foran and Scott are/were part of that. Then there are senior players Gordon, Jennings, De Gois, Wicks and Gower. I'm sure we each have our own ideas about who provides the most leadership out of them. We know Arthur has talked about Corey Norman's leadership (despite criminal record and associations) and I have a friend close to the club who says the coaching staff consider Kenny Edwards (himself no angel) to be a leader of the group as well.

Edit: forgot Robson as a senior player

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Did Foran lead any of our players to overdose on pain killers? Did anyone else not turn up to the community event that was meant to? Has anyone else not turned up to rehab sessions, games or training whilst under contract?

No???

Well then I think Foran had very little influence on this playing group

No, it means he had very little negative influence on the playing group.

and you're basing your assumption of leadership on the fact he had a (c) next to his name.

Do you think Arthur would make him captain if he wasn't a leader? Especially when there were obviously other options?

One thing we can agree on is most people don't understand leadership....the thing is though, you're actually one of them.

I beg to differ.

 

[Chipmunk]

He's no star, mostly because of his inability to play big minutes. But he does offer plenty of attack while he's on the field. I dare say that if we sign him our bench rotation will revolve around trying to get as many carries from him as we can while minimising his periods of fatigue.

Given the make up of Parra, I'd consider starting him, playing him for 20 minutes and never using him again.

Well you are only guessing. While you can say Beau Scott hasn't stopped our squad from maintaining its positive attitude throughout the year, you can say the same for any of our leaders. What you can't do is directly attribute the influence of any one player on the squad, because we are unable to isolate the impact of any individual leader. The most definite thing we can say is that our playing group has very strong leadership. Who are the leaders? We know that captains Mannah, Foran and Scott are/were part of that. Then there are senior players Gordon, Jennings, De Gois, Wicks and Gower. I'm sure we each have our own ideas about who provides the most leadership out of them. We know Arthur has talked about Corey Norman's leadership (despite criminal record and associations) and I have a friend close to the club who says the coaching staff consider Kenny Edwards (himself no angel) to be a leader of the group as well.

You're one for the stats Pou Bear, go find the teams stats whilst Beau Scott is on the field against not on the field and you'll soon see his influence on the team.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You're right. I think BA is absolutely a leader of men. What's your point?

You seem to think being subordinate to somebody else (Scott to Arthur, Foran to Hayson) invalidates somebody's leadership. Is Scott not a leader because he answers to Arthur? An important thing about leaders is that they also make highly influential 'first followers'. This is a principle of hierarchical organisation.

 

[Noise]

I reckon Pou understands leadership. He just doesn't know who provides good leadership. He banged on about Watmough being a great leader. 12 months later Watmough admits his heart wasn't in playing for the eels and never plays again. He then banged on about Foran being a great leader that the club needs. 6 months later Foran succumbs to mental health issues, OD's in a suicide attempt and is possibly involved in match fixing and never plays again. Pou can you please not make predictions on who our next great leader will be?