Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

Apparently he is very small and bog average from one eyed eels fans

I'm sure we're not signing him into the top 17.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If we're paying him $450k, he's essentially only costing us $150k under the salary cap. He's worth more than $150k a year. But if he's not here we don't get the $300k discount.

My point is just because Mannah is cheap (on the cap) doesn't mean we should pay more than 16 other players top 17 money.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Mannah is the only player eligible, and the only player anywhere near eligible given that we sent Morgs to Melbourne. So, if Mannah goes, there is nobody else with sufficient tenure to use the allowance on.

Did anyone ever answer the question about whether they need to be consecutive years?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Interesting signing, I gather we won't re-sign Kelly or Cornish as a result.

Unless Fogarty is our 'next 17' fullback and goal-kicking option. But I agree, I doubt we will re-sign both Kelly and Cornish. You'd think we will probably retain one of them though.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Did anyone ever answer the question about whether they need to be consecutive years?

It has to be 6 continuous years.

 

[Kornstar]

A first grade Halfback?

To be fair, he was never any good at half back. He was always best at 5/8th.

I'm not sure if he would be a good or bad signing as I don't know how he is coached at the Dragons. He wouldn't be the dominant half with us which may let him play his natural game. I haven't really seen him be able to do that for the Dragons.

Whether that is playing or coaching is to be determined whenever he signs with someone else.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Mannah is the only player eligible, and the only player anywhere near eligible given that we sent Morgs to Melbourne. So, if Mannah goes, there is nobody else with sufficient tenure to use the allowance on.

Yeah. It's not like the MPA that applies equally for every club. The LSA only applies if you have sufficient player(s) that qualify.

Anyway, Terepo has been at the club since before 2010 as well. How far back do they have to go to qualify?

 

[Chipmunk]

Unless Fogarty is our 'next 17' fullback and goal-kicking option. But I agree, I doubt we will re-sign both Kelly and Cornish. You'd think we will probably retain one of them though.

I think I'd go for Cornish, based purely on the fact that he's younger. We've given Kelly enough chances to show what he's got and I don't see him improving anything that he's already shown us.

 

[emjaycee]

Did anyone ever answer the question about whether they need to be consecutive years?

Long Serving Player Allowance ($300K) per Club for eligible players who have played more than six continuous years of grade football with that club including Holden Cup and NSW Cup.

Clicky

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Why would Sam Williams leave the Raiders, as their back up half, to come to Parra as the back up half and play for Wenty?

Plus there's a good chance Williams is in the top 25 (as opposed to a backup in the second tier).

 

[Chipmunk]

Yeah. It's not like the MPA that applies equally for every club. The LSA only applies if you have sufficient player(s) that qualify.

Anyway, Terepo has been at the club since before 2010 as well. How far back do they have to go to qualify?

I think they start it when you played in the Under 20s. Given Terepo probably isn't on $300k I guess we would need two players if it was just him.

I guess we can now really say that Terepo is on minimum wage and Mannah is probably costing us around the $250k mark if you split the $300k discount $200k to Mannah and $100k to Terepo.

They're both providing reasonable value at that rate.

 

[IFR33K]

He's just playing a role he's no longer suited for.

I agree. The role he's playing (attempting) is a first grade footballer.

 

[Happy MEel]

Then Norman could play 'halfback' and Marshall could play 'five eighth'.

As you know, they are essentially the same thing, just on either side of the ruck. My point is he's no longer a first grade standard "half" IMO.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think I'd go for Cornish, based purely on the fact that he's younger. We've given Kelly enough chances to show what he's got and I don't see him improving anything that he's already shown us.

I don't think either will ever be a first grader, so I would go with whichever one is most able to come straight in and support the existing first choice half. In round one this year that was Kelly. Maybe it will be different next year.

 

[Chipmunk]

I don't think either will ever be a first grader, so I would go with whichever one is most able to come straight in and support the existing first choice half. In round one this year that was Kelly. Maybe it will be different next year.

So should we really just punt both of them and re-sign Robbo for another year as the backup and see how Fogarty goes?

Robbo can also cover 9 if needed.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It has to be 6 continuous years.

Clicky

Cheers. What if you put in six years, leave and come back? I assume you start from scratch?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

As you know, they are essentially the same thing, just on either side of the ruck. My point is he's no longer a first grade standard "half" IMO.

That's harsh. In 13 games this year he has 8 try assists and 8 line break assists. That's not Thurston class but it's certainly worthy of a top 17 NRL half. In defence he has been good enough as well. Only four times has he missed more than 2 tackles (once he missed 5 tackles and twice he missed 4) - those numbers are also typical of an NRL standard half.

Of course you can say the stats don't tell the full story, but over half a season they tell a pretty good story. Certainly more of a story than anecdotal recollection of having watched his worst game. Marshall's biggest issue is how many games he has missed this year (7 from 20), and given his age this might be the new normal for him. But in his defence, the last time he missed more than two games in a season was 2008.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

yes. Blake green just chimes in - Benji tries to take control and messes it up.
Garbage

Yeah but that's poor coaching from Mary and with us, Norman would take control with Benji just "chiming in"

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So should we really just punt both of them and re-sign Robbo for another year as the backup and see how Fogarty goes?

Robbo can also cover 9 if needed.

If Robson is happy to sign as a backup that would be the best option. We could even give him more than minimum salary in the top 25. But how much would he want to put himself through another pre-season? I reckon he'd currently be on about $100k for half a season. What sort of pay cut would he cop to go through it all again?

 

[phantom eel]

And no matter what Bart thinks he is still in the clubs best 17 players.

Just... for one more season.