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lingard

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We could've won it this year exactly like that.

You're wrong. Against the likes of Cronulla, Melbourne, Cowboys and Broncos, we wouldn't have gone near the grand final. You need a couple of superstars to win a comp these days. Winning a premiership with a good, solid, honest team of 'genuine first-graders' went out in the nine-teen seventies. Besides - we cheated to get the team we've got this year.
 

Poupou Escobar

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I see the notion of following a particular club, as becoming increasingly meaningless - given the salary cap and the constant rotation of players in the NRL. What's your opinion?

The club is bigger than the players, and the number of players backing up from year to year is enough to make me feel like they are all Parra players. That and the jerseys they all wear.
 

Chipmunk

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I heard a rumour that because Shark Park is so close to the Airport Semi will be flying in on Saturday and going straight to the game.

Of course his dad can't come to the game or else the taxi and ticket would need to be included in the cap.

Is this serious or are you just trying to be facetious?
 

Poupou Escobar

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You're wrong. Against the likes of Cronulla, Melbourne, Cowboys and Broncos, we wouldn't have gone near the grand final.

Yes but not because they have superstars and we don't. It's because they're spending a lot more on players than us (due to TPAs) and so can afford some superstars as well as putting good first graders around them.

You need a couple of superstars to win a comp these days.

Says who? Manly made the finals for ten straight years and won two comps without any genuine superstars. Their highest paid players in that time would have been Lyon (an outside back), Stewart (only eight Origins in his career) and Orford. All three players looked like stars playing in a team with no weaknesses, but managed little (or nothing) at rep level. Foran and DCE had their premiership success while young and on relatively modest contracts.

None of these guys would have been on Hayne/Inglis/Smith money, because they weren't as good. They just looked great because the quality around them picked everybody up.

Winning a premiership with a good, solid, honest team of 'genuine first-graders' went out in the nine-teen seventies. Besides - we cheated to get the team we've got this year.

Don't focus too much on 'solid, honest' players. I think you're ignoring the grey area between Michael Gordon and Jarryd Hayne. I advocate spending the entire cap. With players 18-25 averaging $120k each that leaves a salary cap of over $5.8M for the other 17 players. You really believe you can't win a comp with 17 players worth $300k+ each? Jack up the highest paid half dozen to $500k and the rest are still worth over $250k each. That's probably more than Semi Radradra is costing under the cap.

The more you're spending on your best players the less you have to spend on your weakest players. IMO it is constantly proven that your worst handful of players are at least as influential as your best, especially in defence.

As for our team this year, if you removed Foran and Jennings, and replaced them with Townsend and Ryan f**king Morgan, plus kept Peats and Paulo, then it would have won as many games, plus been under the cap from round one.
 
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Eelementary

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And that's mostly due to the Salary cap. It's turned the NRL into a game of musical chairs. I mean, how can you get excited about 'Parramatta players' when they might be 'Cronulla players' next year and 'Souths players' two years after that? What does a 'club' even mean anymore?

Absolutely, mate.

And I think it's been exacerbated for me because all my favourite Eels have left/are leaving in such a short space of time. It's devastating.
 

strider

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Assuming Foran has actually been stripped of the captaincy, is beau scott now official club captain?
 

Poupou Escobar

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Absolutely, mate.

And I think it's been exacerbated for me because all my favourite Eels have left/are leaving in such a short space of time. It's devastating.

It's an interesting thing, our attachment to players. How long does it take for you to consider a player to be an 'Eels player'? If you go with an arbitrary two years, you'll find that about a third of the players used by clubs this year have been contracted to another club in the past 24 months.

That means about two thirds have been nowhere else but at their current club in the past two years.
 
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Poupou Escobar

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Hahahahaha the is a gee up, surely.

You must have a low bar for 'superstar'. Do you rate Darius Boyd a superstar? Michael Jennings? James Maloney? Adam Reynolds? Michael Morgan? All rep players and premiership winners, but never in the conversation for best player in the game.

These guys aren't commanding top dollar (i.e. $1M+). You could fit half a dozen of these into a well balanced team, depending on TPAs. Even without them you could probably carry two or three.
 
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And that's mostly due to the Salary cap. It's turned the NRL into a game of musical chairs. I mean, how can you get excited about 'Parramatta players' when they might be 'Cronulla players' next year and 'Souths players' two years after that? What does a 'club' even mean anymore?

Absolutely, mate.

And I think it's been exacerbated for me because all my favourite Eels have left/are leaving in such a short space of time. It's devastating.

even before peats left i have always hated players changing clubs mid season i think it's a shocking look and extremely harsh on the fans to go to a game and cheer one of their favourite players then next week he is running around in another team's jersey
 
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