Rumours and Stuff

[Gary Gutful]

Yep. FFS indeed. FF F’n S.

 

[Dibs]

I reckon that's enough to tempt Avenger back.

Oh if I wanted to tempt him back I would have said less reliable than Chiefy but more reliable than Avenger

 

[hindy111]

2 guys signed

everyone agreed fergo was a solid signing .... we have no outside backs coming through who are really up to nrl

25 is not old

seggy supposedly not coming - perhaps we only offered him a short contract to make sure we don't get in the way of juniors coming through???

ffs hindy111

Aslong as we have money too keep the young guys I am happy.

I like our signings.
Segy? Wasnt sega normi and Jnr the 3 amigo causing trouble? Re unite?

We need young blood now injected. Youth bring something to a team. Sometimes make the old blokes step up as they want to prove there still better.

 

[Glenneel]

I reckon people over over complicating the game.

Quick play balls
Big powerfull athletic bodies
Smart kicking game
Minimal penalties and errors

We arent scoring tries cause our playmakers are shit. It is cause we arent tiring the defense enough to get quick play balls and have them going backwards. That is when gaps open. If the defense is set it takes a magic offload to break it or some kind of luck.But that is forcing a risk or turning ball over.

Lot of penalties we have given away have been when had a team backed up. When a teams inside there own 15mtrs and your defending your kind of attacking. We give dumb penalties that lets them off the hook and opens up the field.
Keeping a team inside that range limits the field to the middle. Your defense can then move tighter rather then spread, meaning less gaps and harder for them to get yards. If can start most defensive sets inside a teams 15mtrs chances are they wont score. Your defense has also had an easy set as ran less meters retreating and your strike players havent had to make tackles. Just the pigs upfront.

Then you get the ball un a good position. Two backs who are fresh can take strong carries. 2 halves who also fresh can make smarter plays as not fatigued and have more time to think. Your forwards can take a run on 3rd or 4th if need be. If there defense is retreating there will be gaps and can have a shot outwide.

Too many times we seem to go wide just for sake of it. Unless the defense is rereating its f**king pointless. Only a mircale play will result in a possitive. Better to play feild possesion.

Our biggest problem is the lack of skill across the board but mainly in the forwards. To really test defences you need more of the above plus be able to attract defenders and get a ball away to a support . Either create holes in close or drag outside defenders in before going around them. As I said our forwards are not big enough or skilful enough to do either.

 

[hindy111]

Agree.
None have that real mongrel either like your Fafita,Klemmers, Gallens etc.
KE was only one who did.

 

[Glenneel]

The fact he has spent so long in reserve grade suggests he wasn't signed as an automatic top 17 player like I thought.

Pou he was signed as a starting prop, signed to add height, which must have been BAs only criteria, because he has done FA since being here. Because of his height he can see the NRL squad train on the other side of the fence.

 

[IFR33K]

Aslong as we have money too keep the young guys I am happy.

I like our signings.
Segy? Wasnt sega normi and Jnr the 3 amigo causing trouble? Re unite?

We need young blood now injected. Youth bring something to a team. Sometimes make the old blokes step up as they want to prove there still better.

Yeah no wonder the culture of the club blows. Look at the Gronks we continually sign. Corey, fergo, KE, jnr. If we sign Segeyaro it could be a train wreck disaster. I know fergo has turned his career around and is in top form, but this signing could easily be another flop. BA needs to show faith in juniors if we’re to be a force.

 

[emjaycee]

Yeah no wonder the culture of the club blows. Look at the Gronks we continually sign. Corey, fergo, KE, jnr. If we sign Segeyaro it could be a train wreck disaster. I know fergo has turned his career around and is in top form, but this signing could easily be another flop. BA needs to show faith in juniors if we’re to be a force.

I reckon BA needs to find juniors that are able to play NRL before he shows too much faith in them.
He is/has shown faith in the only 2 that have pushed hard enough this year for a spot in a position we have needed them - Mahoney and Niukore. Cannot have debuted GL who everyone is saying has weaknesses in defence, or Aukofalou, while there are still available outside backs such as Nathan "fu#$%n" Davis in the 30 man squad to pick from first. Cannot have debuted Stone or Salmon (assuming neither are top 30) until we have no one left to choose in their roles first.

Unfortunately the NRL has some silly rules about who you can pick as your 17 players each week and we have to play by those rules.

 

[Gronk]

Yeah no wonder the culture of the club blows. Look at the Gronks we continually sign. .

Hey !

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Bullshit he was. Evans was going to transform our pack. At 200k the roodters would of snapped him up.

He is still worth 200k id say.

I'm sure we paid overs, but how much is overs?

BA prob shitty cause he was like many thinking he may take a leap fprward and be like Vaughn when went to dragons.

Well his pre-season was heavily disrupted, and his potential would have been a factor in his signing, but that doesn't mean he's on big money. Overs might only be $250k. You don't think anyone would have taken $200k to stay at a better club? These people are all motivated by money.

Im worried now with a miserable season BA will sign whoever and disregaurd any juniors just to save his own arse. Feel a little history repeating. Sign older guys who hearts arent in it and young guys let go.

His signings have looked good so far, but then I said that about this year's signings. I actually thought Segeyaro had the potential to make our defence worse, and we already have Paulo for that.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Older

Ferguson is 29, Jnr 24/25, Segy would be 27.

I am not saying past it at all. I am sugessting they are costing or getting their best pay day of career. Some at peak but it does put a hole in cap and we may lose juniors.
I feel juniors will always stay for a little less and have a bond with the club thsst they feel embarrased when perform bad.

You want success you need juniors

It's July and we only have 17 players officially announced for next year's top 30. I dare say there will be some cheap youngsters rounding out the squad.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Aslong as we have money too keep the young guys I am happy.

I like our signings.
Segy? Wasnt sega normi and Jnr the 3 amigo causing trouble? Re unite?

We need young blood now injected. Youth bring something to a team. Sometimes make the old blokes step up as they want to prove there still better.

Only if the young blokes are good enough ffs.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Pou he was signed as a starting prop, signed to add height, which must have been BAs only criteria, because he has done FA since being here. Because of his height he can see the NRL squad train on the other side of the fence.

In his four games for us he started twice, but wore jersey 17 three times and jersey 18 once. But anyway starting/bench isn't an important distinction when forwards are all about the same level. Vave started for us against the Dragons but he is obviously behind Mannah in the pecking order.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I reckon BA needs to find juniors that are able to play NRL before he shows too much faith in them.
He is/has shown faith in the only 2 that have pushed hard enough this year for a spot in a position we have needed them - Mahoney and Niukore. Cannot have debuted GL who everyone is saying has weaknesses in defence, or Aukofalou, while there are still available outside backs such as Nathan "fu#$%n" Davis in the 30 man squad to pick from first. Cannot have debuted Stone or Salmon (assuming neither are top 30) until we have no one left to choose in their roles first.

Unfortunately the NRL has some silly rules about who you can pick as your 17 players each week and we have to play by those rules.

It's also understood that if you pick a bloke in the development list it means he might not be good enough for the NRL yet, but you want him training full time, so the potential is there. And there are two top 30 spots that don't need to be filled until after the comp starts, like we've done with ours.

 

[TheRam]

Just turned 22 and 8 games. I reckon he will be a excellent purchase. Has mongrel.
And be cheap.

Klemmer would cost 800k. One dimensional player who has had to dona lot of work fromma young age. Id be wary of Klemmer. Mark Omelet was also great till about 26.

You have a great point here Hindy as usual. Klemmer is the kind of player that could go either way within a couple of years. Look at JMH, one serious knee injury and the player hasn't been the same since. These guys bodies take the worst beatings consistently in most games and therefore the earlier they are the alpha prop and play with the most aggression the more likely they will burn out in the later years.

Buying someone like Klemmer at full freight of around 800-900k is a major risk of failure from here on in to the buyer. Especially in say 2 years from now onwards.

 

[hindy111]

I'm sure we paid overs, but how much is overs?

Well his pre-season was heavily disrupted, and his potential would have been a factor in his signing, but that doesn't mean he's on big money. Overs might only be $250k. You don't think anyone would have taken $200k to stay at a better club? These people are all motivated by money.

His signings have looked good so far, but then I said that about this year's signings. I actually thought Segeyaro had the potential to make our defence worse, and we already have Paulo for that.

Look this is what will happen. Evans will be back in first grade. He will re think his career and pull finger out. Also bulk up a little.
He is still capable of playing first grade. And would offer what guys like Terepo do. So id say his value would be around 200k. So maybe 150k overs, but he may play better which I expect and to be closer to 250k atleast.
Many of us where hoping he would step up and lead our pack and be a bargain like Brown. Thats less likely to happen. But getting to his original cost isnt out of question.
Anyhows I dont feel its a huge issue. Even if plays at a 200k level.
MJ on over 700k is playing at a 150k level. And best hopes for him is to maybe get to about a 400k level. He hurts our cap no matter what scenario.

 

[hindy111]

Only if the young blokes are good enough ffs.

Bring energy and excitement

 

[Bazal]

Bring energy and excitement

Maybe

Or maybe you bring them in to a losing side that has f**k all confidence and can't see a way out of it, and that attitude infects the young kids and hurts their development

 

[hindy111]

You have a great point here Hindy as usual. Klemmer is the kind of player that could go either way within a couple of years. Look at JMH, one serious knee injury and the player hasn't been the same since. These guys bodies take the worst beatings consistently in most games and therefore the earlier they are the alpha prop and play with the most aggression the more likely they will burn out in the later years.

Buying someone like Klemmer at full freight of around 800-900k is a major risk of failure from here on in to the buyer. Especially in say 2 years from now onwards.

Guys like Woods are less risk. The style they play is different. Klemmer is taking so many bangs. And already done it for 6 yrs now.
Jnr is less risk. He come on later and play less minutes. And is more like a big tractor. Powers along.

Not saying Klemmer wont be good till 30. But he would want 4yrs at 800k

 

[hindy111]

Maybe

Or maybe you bring them in to a losing side that has f**k all confidence and can't see a way out of it, and that attitude infects the young kids and hurts their development

Look.
You pick juniors who will be stars and get the correct like me. Then you may speak.
Another one is Xerri for sharks