Rumours and Stuff

[emjaycee]

Think about it mate. I assume you are bright enough right? But how would you react if you were being low balled(even if it is only in your own mind initially) and then knew if you could eventually(as was stated by his manager up front when the initial low offer was made) go on the open market and use the media to get more then what you intended to get in the first place if your client started to play really well. Especially knowing that there weren't any other Number 1's on the market that were better during this period?

If you dick around with negotiations with a commodity that could easily go up in value or down then don't be surprised if the asking price rises when you have pissed off the other party and the said commodity has increase its market value. To me shows very poor and inexperienced negotiating skills by our football department. Like I said lets just wait and see how this circus pans out.

Thanks for the assumption on my intelligence level - I'll assume for a moment you are correct and run with your hypothesis a little bit further.

If I have a commodity to sell I would try to ascertain its 'true' worth before putting a price on it. Sure I wouldn't take the first offer that came along if I thought I was being low-balled, but I would be careful not to overprice it at the risk of not being able to close a sale. Like any commodity, Gutho has a value that should be determined by a combination of internal factors (i.e. what he wants/thinks he deserves) and external factors (i.e. what the market is prepared to pay/who needs him and how badly they do) and yes, the external market value can and should be tested. But external market value is determined by both supply and demand and to be honest, while there may not be very many (or any) other better number 1's on the open market, there are also very limited buyers of number 1's at present. If you rank various positions that Gutho can play in order of market value (what a club will be prepared to spend on a role) then it is probably halves, fullback, utility backs and then outside backs.

Gutho is probably only worth 60-65% of a top half (he doesn't have the kicking or passing game needed)- so assuming the top ones get $1M, his worth as a half is probably $600k-$650k.
If the top echelon of fullbacks are getting less than the halves, say $850-$900k and Gutho is worth maybe 75% of a Tedesco, Turbo Tom or Moylan (he doesn't have the speed or kicking game), then his worth goes up to say $635-$675k.
Outside backs are probably worth $500-$600k tops and utilities would sit somewhere in between the $600-$700k range. This is where Parra have placed him.

As far as Gutho's value going up or down, I disagree that it can go up much further, if at all. He has played out of his skin and probably to the best of his ability as a fullback in rounds 1-6 this year. Therefore he actually has more downside potential than upside (as we saw when he had his worse game of the year on Sunday) between now and when he eventually signs his next contract.

Add to that the risk of re-injury and the possible brand damage being caused by the behaviour of him and his manager and I personally think Sam has taken a right royal risk that just may not end up in his clients best interest after all.

 

[Avenger]

Sterlo once said that he had plenty of chances to leave Parra and always stayed for less because as a one club man he knew that the money would come (after retirement) due to his loyalty.

 

[IFR33K]

How close do you reckon we should have gotten to the supposed $700k?

Basing on last years form 500k would of been a decent offer. On current form he may command 6-650k. 750k would be overs IMO. And the initial figure Ayoub was talking was ludicrous. Think he was talking smack.

 

[Avenger]

Yep. $700k over 3 years sounds generous enough taking everything into consideration. This is a line in the sand stance for the club and players going forward when negotiating future contracts.

That's overs but that's the maximum I'd go with a cut off time to accept. f**k his slimy manager

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Sterlo once said that he had plenty of chances to leave Parra and always stayed for less because as a one club man he knew that the money would come (after retirement) due to his loyalty.

Unfortunately, times have changed.

 

[Happy MEel]

French was playing out of position. Gutherson is a true utility to the point where nobody knows his true position. At every position he lacks something essential to be elite (speed or kicking) or his work rate is wasted.

Which is why we’re not paying elite money (ie. Teddy, Turbo, RTS coin). He’s absolutely worth more than $500k, I’d say low $600s at least. His leadership, work ethic and captaincy, as well as a lack of alternatives pushes his price up to that $700k mark.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

So just off Gutho for a sec, I have read unsourced rumours that Ramien is unhappy at Newy, and Curtis Scott seems to have made an enemy of his coach. Any love for one of these 2? I'd have either on playing ability.

 

[Bazal]

So just off Gutho for a sec, I have read unsourced rumours that Ramien is unhappy at Newy, and Curtis Scott seems to have made an enemy of his coach. Any love for one of these 2? I'd have either on playing ability.

There are rumours that Curtis Scott has done his dash off the field somehow. He's also always come across as a complete cat of a bloke. And he's a horrid defender and IMO very overrated attacker. Big no thanks, even if he did snot that germ Dylan Walker.

I'd tale Ramien for the right money though. Another ordinary defender but playing outside Pearce is no good for him. He's certainly got the attacking game to be a star centre down the track.

 

[IFR33K]

Many fans were filthy on MJ/the club for the amount of $$$ he was/is on, and many wanted the club to stop throwing overs on players.

Now Ayoub and gutho are throwing tantrums trying to force the clubs hand into paying said overs, and some fans are crucifying the club.

No doubt if they buckle in to Ayoub they’ll be buckling in to teps, moses’, mj’s and taka’s managers respectively.

It’s about time the club put a deadline on their final offer. Amazing how they managed to tell the world Manly’s made an offer, but left out crucial bits like the amount. If he’s happy with their offer he should take it.

 

[parra pete]

Que Sera Sera...

 

[Suitman]

That's overs but that's the maximum I'd go with a cut off time to accept. f**k his slimy manager

Yep.
In reality, Gutho is still just a kid. I have no doubt this has dragged out due to Ayoub, nothing else. I applaud the club and the stance they are taking.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Yeah f**k off to Manly and play in the centres you merkin. And enjoy your next contract negotiations when no one will pay you even close to what you're being offered now.

 

[IFR33K]

Yep.
In reality, Gutho is still just a kid. I have no doubt this has dragged out due to Ayoub, nothing else. I applaud the club and the stance they are taking.

Gutho has selected Ayoub to represent him. He’s old and mature enough to know what’s going on. The pointing shouldn’t be at Ayoub alone.

 

[emjaycee]

Yep.
In reality, Gutho is still just a kid. I have no doubt this has dragged out due to Ayoub, nothing else. I applaud the club and the stance they are taking.

Mate Gutho turns 25 later this year. He isn't a kid.

 

[JokerEel]

Sad thing is since the media has beaten the crap out of this story if Gutho does leave as fans we wont care...
I think we are over the BS and either way just want it out of the media.

 

[Avenger]

He could be our biggest cult hero since Moimoi and he’s endangering it because of Ayoub.

 

[IFR33K]

He could be our biggest cult hero since Moimoi and he’s endangering it because of Ayoub.

He’s endangering it bc of himself! If he wants to sign he would of by now. Ayoub can’t stop him from signing.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Mate Gutho turns 25 later this year. He isn't a kid.

I know a number of 30 plus year olds who are still kids.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Yawn you don't win GFs with people like Gutho as your Fullback,cya mate

 

[Gazzamatta]

Sterlo once said that he had plenty of chances to leave Parra and always stayed for less because as a one club man he knew that the money would come (after retirement) due to his loyalty.

Sterlo also said that Pricey had threatened to bash him and anyone else if they left. Should have had him sort out Gutho on Easter Monday when he was there.