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ash411

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We’re obviously not wanting to spend that much on a fullback or we’d just give it to him. The obvious downside is what fullback is available that is anywhere near Gutho’s quality?
Where do you rank him in terms of the whole NRL? Top 3? Origin quality? Kangaroos quality? That’s what 750K is likely to get you.
 

hineyrulz

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If Guth can get 750k good luck to him, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.


We’ve lost quality players like Luke Kelly, Sef Paulo and Ken Sio. We survived before we can do it again.
 

Noise

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Where do you rank him in terms of the whole NRL? Top 3? Origin quality? Kangaroos quality? That’s what 750K is likely to get you.

Origin / international quality is around the 900 - 1 million mark. Players like Tedesco , tommy T, RTS and Ponga when he gets his next contract

Gutho is prob next on the list at the level below those guys. I’d rate him about 5th best in the game right now. What would you pay the 5th best?

FWIW Moses Mbye is on close to 700. Gutho is a shitload better than him
 

Happy MEel

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Where do you rank him in terms of the whole NRL? Top 3? Origin quality? Kangaroos quality? That’s what 750K is likely to get you.
Yeah nah...

Here are some other fullbacks in the comp and their alleged salaries (quoted salaries should be used as a guide rather than proof):

Teddy: >$1mill
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/cou...n/news-story/88a396c66400a758f43073b73b366efe

Boyd: 2020 - $750k, 2021 - $750k
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...sion-wayne-bennett/1mzouzc0fm5yv13766o8d469hj

Dugan: 2020 - $750k, 2021 - $750k
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...s/news-story/6d778c703bd6a2b34494efa449ac7c22

RTS: 2020 - $900k
https://www.nospam21.com/rugby-league/players/roger-tuivasa-sheck/
(Zero Tackle)

Moylan (May need to play fullback once back from injury): 2020 - $900k, 2021 - $900k
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...s-swap-for-james-maloney-20171003-gytayl.html

Turbo Tom: 2020 - $900k
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...evic-for-next-four-years-20161008-grxzp7.html

Ponga: 2020 - $720k, 2021 - $720k, 2022 - $720k (negotiations already under way to extend and upgrade)
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.../17/nrl-knights-offer-kalyn-ponga-3m-contract

Mbye: 2020 - Approx $670k, 2021 - Approx $670k
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...ntract-with-wests-tigers-20180529-p4zi8d.html

In the current market, I can’t see why Gutho shouldn’t expect a contract around that $700k mark.

IMO, Gutho is probably about 5th in the pecking order behind Teddy, Tom T, RTS and Ponga as far as fullbacks go.

I think the original $700k was a fair valuation he and his manager placed on him.
 

Happy MEel

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If Guth can get 750k good luck to him, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.


We’ve lost quality players like Luke Kelly, Sef Paulo and Ken Sio. We survived before we can do it again.
Mate, I know you’re taking the piss but comparing Gutho with those muppets is criminal.
 

Happy MEel

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Neither is paying three quarters of a million dollars for a solid first grader with less than a hundred games under his belt.
You do realise said marquee player will no doubt be fielding offers from most of the other clubs in the competition so we would need to be a more desirable proposition. I’m not confident we are and a few losses could see our appeal drop dramatically.

We have a good (but not great) young fullback, who happens to have a fantastic attitude and is the leader of this club. As the saying goes, “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush”.
 

Happy MEel

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It's overs. That's why he's at the Tigers and not somewhere better.
Are we a better proposition than the tigers? Possibly but there wouldn’t be much in it. By your logic we’ll be paying overs for anyone we recruit into the club anyway, so why is there so much aversion to paying “supposed” overs for a bloke who is already at the club and has indicated he is keen to stay?
 

Delboy

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Interesting comments from Andrew Webster on the Piggy radio show this morning.

Openly stated that the offer for Gutho at $650k for 3 years is slightly overs for his ability but as club captain it's acceptable, if Manly offer $750k for 4 years it's madness and he should sign immediately.

When a reporter that has no player manager links or agendas reports the story as it should, then I guess it's the truth. He mentioned that Ayoub is known for these tactics, and that Gutho has not acted well in the whole drama.
 

ram raid

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Guth is a Manly jr and he still lives over there. Maybe manly is a good fit for him. I doubt his leg will hold hold up playing on that surface every second week.

I'd be tabling a good deal to Moses and building the team around him.
 

Gronk

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Interesting comments from Andrew Webster on the Piggy radio show this morning.

Openly stated that the offer for Gutho at $650k for 3 years is slightly overs for his ability but as club captain it's acceptable, if Manly offer $750k for 4 years it's madness and he should sign immediately.

When a reporter that has no player manager links or agendas reports the story as it should, then I guess it's the truth. He mentioned that Ayoub is known for these tactics, and that Gutho has not acted well in the whole drama.

Webster has been the voice of reason during this kerfuffle. So what is Gutho waiting for - IF the offer is genuine ? Merkins like Peter Peters would get giggly if they force us to pay overs for a player they had no intention of signing.
 

Soren Lorenson

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He mentioned that Ayoub is known for these tactics, and that Gutho has not acted well in the whole drama.
Which make me wonder is he really the leader and all round top bloke that he is made out to be? No bastard on here actually knows him. I'm not sayng he's a prick, but he has the opportunity to bond a young and developing team and he's not grabbing it.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Are we a better proposition than the tigers? Possibly but there wouldn’t be much in it. By your logic we’ll be paying overs for anyone we recruit into the club anyway, so why is there so much aversion to paying “supposed” overs for a bloke who is already at the club and has indicated he is keen to stay?
A little bit overs is understandable, but Gutherson is worth $500k as a player. You merkins are vastly overrating him based on a narrow sample behind a team playing well.
 

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