Rumours and Stuff

[TheRam]

Actually I don't notice them, because like you I'm a nuffy who's there to be entertained.

The boring little things, that coaches and players talk about as the things fans don't notice, are only evident in the stats, or on video later when you look for it.

Well then you're even more clueless then I thought. A player as gifted and talented as Kenny was, you couldn't help but notice everything he did, even the little boring effort stuff because he was so damn brilliant and whenever was involved your eyes instantly watched and followed him.

He was and out and out genius and way more impressive then Wally Freakin Lewis who had a saloon passage advantage in nearly half his SOO games, due to the way our NSW selectors didn't take Origin seriously for the first few years and then would pick the wrong types of players due to favouritism and not understanding the difference between Club and SOO types of players at the time.

But remember Kenny kept Lewis out of the Australian team often until they decided to play him at Lock finally when Price retired and they moved Junior to second row, because of Kenny. Sure you could say that that was because of the combo of Kenny and Sterlo, but they could of opted for Langer and Lewis or Mortimer at the time but they didn't because Frank Staton knew that the better more rounded players were Kenny/Sterlo if he wanted not just the spectacular stuff, but those little things that you love so much that coaches cream their pants over which we call effort on effort and working off the ball stuff.

Lewis, Langer and Mortimer until later on in their careers were nowhere near as good as the Parra duo in ALL facets of the game. Sure they would and could get themselves up for the big SOO, Semis, Tests and a major club game here and there, but Kenny and Sterlo were brilliant and tireless virtually for every club game, SOO, Semi and Test throughout their whole careers. You can't say that for Lewis in particular.

People just have a very short and selective memory. Because he was so great in SOO in particularly, and all of QLD love him for it, and had a very good International career too, he was always going to be considered an Immortal, which I agree with, but that doesn't mean that Kenny should not be too. Kenny's career is equally as impressive if not more so and what he did and could do on the biggest stages of RL time and time again are right up there with the best ever. So why the hell isn't he already?

We tend to forget and dismiss due to the passage of time, but not all of us mate. You stick to your plod loving and let the rest of us honour and rejoice in the deeds of the truly great.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

But $800k for Reynolds from Dogs and similar amount for Packer were well over the top for players of their calibre.

We don't know how much they were paid, but whatever it was, there's a reason they had to pay as much as they did. No coach wants to pay overs for any player.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do you even Tigers games?
They are so eerily similar it’s creepy. Down to the barge overs if there’s a PTB on the line and the identical missed tackles per game.
There both hero play seeking, lazy lumps that will command more money than they are worth to us

They're both big contributors in attack, which makes them attractive targets for one club or another.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well then you're even more clueless then I thought. A player as gifted and talented as Kenny was, you couldn't help but notice everything he did, even the little boring effort stuff because he was so damn brilliant and whenever was involved your eyes instantly watched and followed him.

He was and out and out genius and way more impressive then Wally Freakin Lewis who had a saloon passage advantage in nearly half his SOO games, due to the way our NSW selectors didn't take Origin seriously for the first few years and then would pick the wrong types of players due to favouritism and not understanding the difference between Club and SOO types of players at the time.

But remember Kenny kept Lewis out of the Australian team often until they decided to play him at Lock finally when Price retired and they moved Junior to second row, because of Kenny. Sure you could say that that was because of the combo of Kenny and Sterlo, but they could of opted for Langer and Lewis or Mortimer at the time but they didn't because Frank Staton knew that the better more rounded players were Kenny/Sterlo if he wanted not just the spectacular stuff, but those little things that you love so much that coaches cream their pants over which we call effort on effort and working off the ball stuff.

Lewis, Langer and Mortimer until later on in their careers were nowhere near as good as the Parra duo in ALL facets of the game. Sure they would and could get themselves up for the big SOO, Semis, Tests and a major club game here and there, but Kenny and Sterlo were brilliant and tireless virtually for every club game, SOO, Semi and Test throughout their whole careers. You can't say that for Lewis in particular.

People just have a very short and selective memory. Because he was so great in SOO in particularly, and all of QLD love him for it, and had a very good International career too, he was always going to be considered an Immortal, which I agree with, but that doesn't mean that Kenny should not be too. Kenny's career is equally as impressive if not more so and what he did and could do on the biggest stages of RL time and time again are right up there with the best ever. So why the hell isn't he already?

We tend to forget and dismiss due to the passage of time, but not all of us mate. You stick to your plod loving and let the rest of us honour and rejoice in the deeds of the truly great.

Sure Kenny was a great player. I just don't think he did enough at Origin level compared to others, 'only' playing 17 games and winning nearly half of them. Maybe it was the selectors' fault as you say.

 

[TheRam]

We scored 2 tries from big merkins running at holes on the weekend though Gazza

Why the hell did they do that? They still can't they follow simple instruction. Ffs

Bash and barge, bash and barge! Footwork and ball playing is for losers. BA sort this out please immediately. Make sure that by the time we play the Panthers, you have smacked this sh*t out of them.

Bash and barge, bash and barge, bash and bar...

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Why the hell did they do that? They still can't they follow simple instruction. Ffs

Bash and barge, bash and barge! Footwork and ball playing is for losers. BA sort this out please immediately. Make sure that by the time we play the Panthers, you have smacked this sh*t out of them.

Bash and barge, bash and barge, bash and bar...

Sounds a bit like a club I've heard of

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Huh? He's 28

Must be a typo in the article. I thought it sounded wrong

 

[Gronk]

Loko is still only 22 and still has a contract!

Huh? He's 28

Do you think that the date of the news article is wonky ?

 

[84 Baby]

They're both big contributors in attack, which makes them attractive targets for one club or another.

Are they though?
They’ve got healthy metreage and offloads per game, but they’re not involved in a heap of tries or line breaks and their good stats overall don’t really do enough to mitigate their bad ones.
They’re flashy players (which Ram says we apparently need and you can’t see) but that flash comes with an inappropriate price tag usually.
Dollar for dollar, I’d consider Pangai over Cartwright, maybe even Niukore or Lane. I feel Matto is a stabilising player though, so while dollar for dollar is a maybe, consideration would have to be given to overall squad dynamic. Papali’i wins whether at his dollars or Pangais.
But none of that likely matters because Pangai is going to command more money than all of them.

 

[84 Baby]

Why the hell did they do that? They still can't they follow simple instruction. Ffs

Bash and barge, bash and barge! Footwork and ball playing is for losers. BA sort this out please immediately. Make sure that by the time we play the Panthers, you have smacked this sh*t out of them.

Bash and barge, bash and barge, bash and bar...

That’s some quality burying your head in the sand, but leave the deathriding sarcasm to whiney. He’s much better at it.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Well then you're even more clueless then I thought. A player as gifted and talented as Kenny was, you couldn't help but notice everything he did, even the little boring effort stuff because he was so damn brilliant and whenever was involved your eyes instantly watched and followed him.

He was and out and out genius and way more impressive then Wally Freakin Lewis who had a saloon passage advantage in nearly half his SOO games, due to the way our NSW selectors didn't take Origin seriously for the first few years and then would pick the wrong types of players due to favouritism and not understanding the difference between Club and SOO types of players at the time.

But remember Kenny kept Lewis out of the Australian team often until they decided to play him at Lock finally when Price retired and they moved Junior to second row, because of Kenny. Sure you could say that that was because of the combo of Kenny and Sterlo, but they could of opted for Langer and Lewis or Mortimer at the time but they didn't because Frank Staton knew that the better more rounded players were Kenny/Sterlo if he wanted not just the spectacular stuff, but those little things that you love so much that coaches cream their pants over which we call effort on effort and working off the ball stuff.

Lewis, Langer and Mortimer until later on in their careers were nowhere near as good as the Parra duo in ALL facets of the game. Sure they would and could get themselves up for the big SOO, Semis, Tests and a major club game here and there, but Kenny and Sterlo were brilliant and tireless virtually for every club game, SOO, Semi and Test throughout their whole careers. You can't say that for Lewis in particular.

People just have a very short and selective memory. Because he was so great in SOO in particularly, and all of QLD love him for it, and had a very good International career too, he was always going to be considered an Immortal, which I agree with, but that doesn't mean that Kenny should not be too. Kenny's career is equally as impressive if not more so and what he did and could do on the biggest stages of RL time and time again are right up there with the best ever. So why the hell isn't he already?

We tend to forget and dismiss due to the passage of time, but not all of us mate. You stick to your plod loving and let the rest of us honour and rejoice in the deeds of the truly great.

Picking Kenny and Sterlo then as opposed to Mortimer and Lewis was similar to picking Luau and Cleary in SOO. Is very clever to the point where I reckon it could not have possibly been dopey Freddys choice. I also don't recall Kenny ever playing Lock for Australia. I know he did for Our Eels but your Aussie comment surprised me. Maybe in one of the Emu Tour Games?

 

[Gronk]

Picking Kenny and Sterlo then as opposed to Mortimer and Lewis was similar to picking Luau and Cleary in SOO. Is very clever to the point where I reckon it could not have possibly been dopey Freddys choice. I also don't recall Kenny ever playing Lock for Australia. I know he did for Our Eels but your Aussie comment surprised me. Maybe in one of the Emu Tour Games?

Correct. Mick Cronin played him at lock a fair bit.

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[hineyrulz]

That’s some quality burying your head in the sand, but leave the deathriding sarcasm to whiney. He’s much better at it.

Well we all have our talents, being a sarcastic whiney merkin is mine.

Yours is being a poor mans Pou.

 

[Twizzle]

locks were a 3rd backrower back then not middles like they are now, their main role was cover defense behind the halves

similarly, Jim Dymock rotated between lock and 5/8

 

[Matty Bhoy]

Well then you're even more clueless then I thought. A player as gifted and talented as Kenny was, you couldn't help but notice everything he did, even the little boring effort stuff because he was so damn brilliant and whenever was involved your eyes instantly watched and followed him.

He was and out and out genius and way more impressive then Wally Freakin Lewis who had a saloon passage advantage in nearly half his SOO games, due to the way our NSW selectors didn't take Origin seriously for the first few years and then would pick the wrong types of players due to favouritism and not understanding the difference between Club and SOO types of players at the time.

But remember Kenny kept Lewis out of the Australian team often until they decided to play him at Lock finally when Price retired and they moved Junior to second row, because of Kenny. Sure you could say that that was because of the combo of Kenny and Sterlo, but they could of opted for Langer and Lewis or Mortimer at the time but they didn't because Frank Staton knew that the better more rounded players were Kenny/Sterlo if he wanted not just the spectacular stuff, but those little things that you love so much that coaches cream their pants over which we call effort on effort and working off the ball stuff.

Lewis, Langer and Mortimer until later on in their careers were nowhere near as good as the Parra duo in ALL facets of the game. Sure they would and could get themselves up for the big SOO, Semis, Tests and a major club game here and there, but Kenny and Sterlo were brilliant and tireless virtually for every club game, SOO, Semi and Test throughout their whole careers. You can't say that for Lewis in particular.

People just have a very short and selective memory. Because he was so great in SOO in particularly, and all of QLD love him for it, and had a very good International career too, he was always going to be considered an Immortal, which I agree with, but that doesn't mean that Kenny should not be too. Kenny's career is equally as impressive if not more so and what he did and could do on the biggest stages of RL time and time again are right up there with the best ever. So why the hell isn't he already?

We tend to forget and dismiss due to the passage of time, but not all of us mate. You stick to your plod loving and let the rest of us honour and rejoice in the deeds of the truly great.

Love both Lewis and Kenny and won’t detract one for the sake of the other. But Langer doesn’t fit into your argument. He was just 20 when selected to play for Qld whilst at the Ipswich Jets in 1987. Stanton wasn’t coaching the Roos by then.

 

[TheRam]

Are they though?
They’ve got healthy metreage and offloads per game, but they’re not involved in a heap of tries or line breaks and their good stats overall don’t really do enough to mitigate their bad ones.
They’re flashy players (which Ram says we apparently need and you can’t see) but that flash comes with an inappropriate price tag usually.
Dollar for dollar, I’d consider Pangai over Cartwright, maybe even Niukore or Lane. I feel Matto is a stabilising player though, so while dollar for dollar is a maybe, consideration would have to be given to overall squad dynamic. Papali’i wins whether at his dollars or Pangais.
But none of that likely matters because Pangai is going to command more money than all of them.

No I don't, we have more then enough "flashy" players to be a great team. We just don't use many of our players the right way. If we were to go out to get that established "flashy" player he generally comes with a to rich a price tag for me to want him.

If someone like Pangai were serious about wanting to knuckle down and improve his game to fulfill his fantastic potential, then he wouldn't be looking at the Tigers or any of the lesser basket case teams and go to a good culture and strong team on a reduced amount. That way he would learn and develop over a year or two and be the player that we all can see is in there. Then once he knows what it takes and can produce it consistently, the massive offers will come. But he is a show pony with a character and attitude that will probably see him under achieve and eventually be 4 or 5 clubs man that coaches will take a risk on hoping that they can turn him and improve their lot as coaches and slowly see his $ worth decline. Look no further then C. Norman who can't get a club to even consider him for more then 2 months now.

What we need though is outside backs with more speed then what we have and short of us developing them we need to go and raid the juniors of other clubs for the best and fastest young talent on offer. It doesn't cost anywhere near as much and if you have a great eye for talent you can do really well doing this.

Anyone know what the status of that Dogs player Schoupp is?

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Do you think that the date of the news article is wonky ?

Must be. Other articles have that brawl with Jorge happening in 2015.

 

[TheRam]

Picking Kenny and Sterlo then as opposed to Mortimer and Lewis was similar to picking Luau and Cleary in SOO. Is very clever to the point where I reckon it could not have possibly been dopey Freddys choice. I also don't recall Kenny ever playing Lock for Australia. I know he did for Our Eels but your Aussie comment surprised me. Maybe in one of the Emu Tour Games?

They could have gone with Lewis and Langer, I mean why didn't they when they were in the better performing SOO team by far in those early years. But like I said there were real obvious advantageous towards QLD reasons for their early success and an old cagy coach like Staton wasn't a mug. Back then how well you played in State rep games was a huge driver for your chances of making it to the Australian team. But they opted to go with our boys. Funny that. Anyone who used his brain even just a little, knew for example that the NSW team not resting its SOO players the weekend before the SOO game on the Tuesday was always going to give QLD a massive leg up on that score alone. Oh jeez Lewis and the boys had blinders over the NSW hapless no wonders. Imagine if we did that today. Hahahaha...

I was referring to Lewis being played at lock once Price retired and Junior was moved to the second row.

 

[TheRam]

Love both Lewis and Kenny and won’t detract one for the sake of the other. But Langer doesn’t fit into your argument. He was just 20 when selected to play for Qld whilst at the Ipswich Jets in 1987. Stanton wasn’t coaching the Roos by then.

Oh yeah sorry, that's right. It was Mark Murray at 7 those earlier years.

 

[84 Baby]

Well we all have our talents, being a sarcastic whiney merkin is mine.

Yours is being a poor mans Pou.

Oof you’ve bought a tear to my eye, less witty Noise.