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IFR33K

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He won his first premiership with a team someone else built for him. I'm sure he has some input into his top 17 but as far as junior 'development' (signing gun juniors from other clubs) he gets what he's given.
What are you even talking about? Recruiting 14 year olds isn't Arthur's or Robinson's job. It's not part of this discussion.

You’re the one that brought ‘gun juniors’ into it.
 

IFR33K

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I reckon he is a talent but I definitely don't think his strength in our squad is playing in the halves. For mine I want to see him at FB or in the centres with Sivo on his outside.

Yeah I appreciate that. Many posters have said the same. Who knows where he’ll end up.
 

Poupou Escobar

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You’re the one that brought ‘gun juniors’ into it.
Well look how many of their players made their NRL debuts at that club. Someone knew they would be good NRL players despite never having seen them play first grade. That someone wasn't Robinson. It was a team of recruitment and 'development' staff. Where's their equivalent at our club? That's what we're missing.

Money solves these problems, not whinging fans refusing to accept mediocrity on the internet.
 

TheRam

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Sorry but you’re the one comparing him to
Munster. When any fan knows they aren’t in the same league.

Again it goes to show, stats don't always tell the story like Pou reckons. You need to assess those stats with your brain and what you see and what is actually happening out there on the field.

Munster may only have 5 try assists to his name this season, but how much has he contributed to each play involvement and try during the season that didn't amount to him giving the try assist in the end, but was a significant or the main reason for the quality of the movement or try in the end? Only watching the game and assessing it with your own judgement will you know that. It isn't necessarily recorded as a stat.

That's why Pou's belief that stats are king is crap and how Hasler got it so wrong when he went down the stats rabbit hole and thought that Aiden Tolman was the best prop in the game. He lost the feel of the game and started to pigeon hole everything according to stats.

When we assess both Munster and Browns games, Munster even though down on previous years, is still way ahead then Brown. Any keen judge can see that.
 

TheRam

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Read my posts, our shit attack / structure doesn’t give him a lot of opportunities on the edge in a one on one opportunity….

He is part of the attack structure that is meant to create the opportunities ffs. It's not like our go forward wasn't giving him the space to attack for most of the season. He has been a handbrake out there at present and for most of his NRL career. Is it him and the other playmakers lack of talent or the coaching? This is what needs to be answered, before we make any rash decisions when retaining our roster.

I suspect it is more the coaching then the players, but until we make the changes needed, we really won't know.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Well if he’s having a case of ‘second year syndrome’ in his 3rd year, why can’t we apply that to his 4th year? Remember the shit We’d put on corey Norman. Even browns stats make Norman look like an immortal.
Norman's an experienced, quality first grader. Good enough to get picked in Origin. He's just a deadshit.
 

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