Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah you are right he’ll probably turn out shit, we should let him go. No big loss really.

No you're right, we should pay him whatever he wants. Same as all the rest of our players. That's the best way to build a team under the salary cap.

Maybe there's a middle ground, where he's a good player with an upper limit on what he's worth? Or is there just dumb hyperbole?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I would be really annoyed if we ended up with a fringe finals side (or even worse a non finals side) while our fans sat around and bragged about how the team management is so smart because they let players walk and didn’t overpay anyone.

The top sides are the ones that don't overpay, or overpay as little as possible. You seem to think it's the shit sides with everyone on unders, but it doesn't really make sense.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm sure he could, how much that'd effect his output and the quality of his game is probably the more important question.

But that aside, does he need to be playing 80 Mins to be in the top echelon of dummy halves?

He does to be in the top echelon of earners.

 

[hineyrulz]

No you're right, we should pay him whatever he wants. Same as all the rest of our players. That's the best way to build a team under the salary cap.

Maybe there's a middle ground, where he's a good player with an upper limit on what he's worth? Or is there just dumb hyperbole?

Just get it done FFS!! No excuses!!!

 

[TheRam]

I tell you what there are a lot of people buying into the Eels saga and I think it's fair to say that we are in crisis.

Tell you what, there are a few people with opinions and express them on a forum for opinion and I think it is fair to say they you are a arsehole with an opinion, which of course I am fine with that.

 

[lucablight]

The top sides are the ones that don't overpay, or overpay as little as possible. You seem to think it's the shit sides with everyone on unders, but it doesn't really make sense.

I never gave any suggestion that the lower teams have players on unders. It’s well documented how the Tigers and Bulldogs got themselves into salary cap trouble by overpaying players.
I just find the whole attitude of potentially watching good players walk and then have the fans say it’s a good thing to reek of sour grapes. A team that’s supposedly lacking star power and let go of their big money winger shouldn’t be struggling to keep the players they want to keep.

 

[hindy111]

Clint Gutherson 2021 stats courtesy of parraeels.com.au

25 games
13 tries
18 goals are 72%
20 try assists
84 tackle breaks
14 line breaks
123 tackles made,19 missed ( 86.6% efficiency)
170m average per game


James Tedesco 2021 stats courtesy of Roosters.com.au

22 games
9 tries
5 goals at 38.5%
22 try assists
145 tackle breaks
17 line breaks
100 tackles made, 23 missed (81.3% efficiency)
182m per game

Honestly, aside from Teddy's freakish tackle-breaking, he isn't street's ahead of Gutherson, tbh.

I think $900,000 for a player of Gutherson's obvious quality is fair.

Whether it's the best decision for our squad is another matter.

I don't. Teddy has defenses nervous and on toes the whole game. It isn't a stat but a fact. Defenses will out best defenders on him which opens up space for other guys.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I never gave any suggestion that the lower teams have players on unders. It’s well documented how the Tigers and Bulldogs got themselves into salary cap trouble by overpaying players.
I just find the whole attitude of potentially watching good players walk and then have the fans say it’s a good thing to reek of sour grapes. A team that’s supposedly lacking star power and let go of their big money winger shouldn’t be struggling to keep the players they want to keep.

We don't have any million dollar players but we have a f**kload of ones worth half a million. Probably more than any other club. It's why we have a good team, plus one benefit is that these players are easier to replace. Let's not pretend that Papali'i is Payne Haas or David Fifita. He might get as much as $700k somewhere but it will be at a club like Wests, not the Roosters or Souths. If we match big money for anyone it should be Mahoney, because he is harder to replace. But he's not impossible to replace, just like Bmith at the Storm.

 

[TheRam]

Playing the negotiation game is one thing, but if you low ball first up and another club comes in before you up your game with a substantially bigger offer you might get caught flat footed and lose out.

he would be our first forward picked, he’d be first NZ forward picked on form this year.

Offering him the lowest wage of any of our starting forwards is a joke.

So Matterson who lost his place in the starting team for a game and rumours of being on the outer is on $500k+, and our best performing forward with RCG this year gets offered $425K? OK, sure that will work.

When you low ball someone there is an art to it and you need to know what the smart low ball figure is. That was just ridiculous. The market is in a fever state right now for the obvious reason of the new franchise entering an already intense market. So we need to be smart and come in with a reasonable offer to the players we want to keep and not give them cause to trigger the open market option where anything can happen.

He should have been given $500k offer up front and that way the he and his manager would probably not have felt insulted and therefore not opted to go straight to the open market. Then they could have sat down like proper negotiators that want a similar outcome, somewhere the player wants to stay and play and give a little back to the club and coach that helped him realise his full potential.

Instead we have created a full on adversarial atmosphere. A you against me scenario. So off to the open market we go merkins and now you are going to pay close to what others think I am worth or I may say thanks for the memories, but pop the Champaign bottle and fill my glass. See ya later suckers! Ooh I love how those bubbles make my nose tickle. Now pass the caviar losers and turn up the music. Make it rain baby, make it rain!!!

 

[crocodile]

Happy wife, happy life.

That's one of the greatest myths of the world. Only true sometimes. However, sad wife, sad life is guaranteed.

 

[Eelementary]

I don't. Teddy has defenses nervous and on toes the whole game. It isn't a stat but a fact. Defenses will out best defenders on him which opens up space for other guys.

Tedesco is a much better player.

But as the stats for 2021 show, Gutherson pulls some ridiculous numbers.

He's a great player.

 

[Eelementary]

I'd say their output per run is very different. Tedesco's tackle breaking is a significant difference as well. He is a much better attacking player.

Tedesco is arguably a better attacking player.

But Gutherson is arguably a better defender, and their playmaking is essentially on par.

I think Tedesco is a far better player, but Gutherson pulls some crazy statistics - Gutherson probably deserves decent money.

 

[crocodile]

Tedesco is arguably a better attacking player.

But Gutherson is arguably a better defender, and their playmaking is essentially on par.

I think Tedesco is a far better player, but Gutherson pulls some crazy statistics - Gutherson probably deserves decent money.

Some of those last in line tackles Gutho made were astonishing. He deserves a shitload more recognition for these.

 

[hindy111]

Tedesco is arguably a better attacking player.

But Gutherson is arguably a better defender, and their playmaking is essentially on par.

I think Tedesco is a far better player, but Gutherson pulls some crazy statistics - Gutherson probably deserves decent money.

750k is decent money isn't it?

 

[TheRam]

Error post.

 

[TheRam]

It's been reported on fox that Gutho wants around 900k for 3 or 4 years. How tf does he think he's worth anything near that. I'd rather take the risk of paying Manu around that

I would rather we blow the Raiders out of the water and offer Xavier Savage $500-600K and get him to break his contract with them and take over from Gutho in 2023. He will be a very dynamic fullback and the quickest in the league. Faster then Papenhuyzen even. At the very least he would make for a JAC type of winger and Russell can slot to fullback.

 

[TheRam]

I hope we keep everyone but with our current squad only really Matterson was recruited when in pretty decent form. The rest were either fringe players, players pushed out of their club or juniors we have developed.

The side was put together with smart recruitment. And the coaching team getting the best out of each player.

What ever happens with the re-signings, we still have $3-4 million to spend on our 2023 squad either with keeping what we have or bringing in new players.

We aren’t in that bad of a position. We don’t have anyone signed on stupid contracts and have the ability to sign new players if required. And BA and co has already shown they can get the best out of players.

There are plenty of options off contract.

Obviously we want to keep everyone and hopefully we do, but the situation isn’t as bad as the media is reporting.

I reckon our 2023 squad will still be very solid / finals standard no matter what.

If we lose RCG, I don't think we will be anywhere near as powerful a forward pack as we are now, bar someone or enough others step up and fill the void, which is a big ask.

 

[Avenger]

The fact that he didn’t re-sign before 1
Nov pisses me off. There is a part of me that wants him to leave. He is our captain and again acting like he is a future immortal.

 

[gaffer]

Tell you what, there are a few people with opinions and express them on a forum for opinion and I think it is fair to say they you are a arsehole with an opinion, which of course I am fine with that.

opinions are like arsesoles everyone has got one

 

[Hindmarshisgod2]

We don't have any million dollar players but we have a f**kload of ones worth half a million. Probably more than any other club. It's why we have a good team, plus one benefit is that these players are easier to replace. Let's not pretend that Papali'i is Payne Haas or David Fifita. He might get as much as $700k somewhere but it will be at a club like Wests, not the Roosters or Souths. If we match big money for anyone it should be Mahoney, because he is harder to replace. But he's not impossible to replace, just like Bmith at the Storm.

Mahoney will be the first that Bushy let's go. Bushy doesn't really think the hooking position is a priority for his structures.