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hindy111

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I know how to take a great arse hole photocopy at the office Xmas party. Named Captain Clown Puller and the drunken office girls love me on the night. They don't know my name for the rest of the year though. :(

f**k. I was under the assumption you where a great success story similar to Mik.
Miks got his own lawn mowing business now. merkins flying.
 

emjaycee

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I bet if there is speculation to the effect that we wouldn't get into a bidding war for Moses it is probably based on thinking within the club (pushed by BA) that Jake Arthur is a legit talent and so we dont need to worry at that position.
Jake Arthur is not a legit talent. It is way more likely that he is just a product of nepotism than that he has anything up his sleeve that we haven't seen from him yet. He is way off the pace.
I bet if you bet what you say then you would lose.
 

lucablight

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It's possible to just be unlucky. It's also possible to be your best while not being quite as good as a couple of better-resourced clubs. What if we're a 20% chance of winning the comp this year? Are we failures if we don't win? It means we're an 80% chance of not winning, so hardly a failure if it doesn't happen.

Obviously you'd like to be a 20% chance (or better) of winning the comp every year but it doesn't seem possible for most clubs. Do you mortgage the future to get another year of being a solid chance (about 1 in 5, IMO) and then follow it with four or five years of almost zero chance (maybe 1 in 50)? If your 20% chance works out and you win the comp (like the 2016 Sharks) then yes, the fans will accept just making up the numbers in the following years.

But if you don't win (which is more likely even when your premiership chance is 20%) the recruitment/retention decisions won't have been any different than if you'd won. But idiot fans won't see it. Because they think there is no luck involved, even if they're punters and should know better.
What would you consider a pass mark for this season? For me personally if we are healthy at the end of the season and don’t at least make the grand final then I will say this season is a failure. Of course there could always be the scenario where we finish fourth and play the invincible Panthers in the first round and then lose to a a red hot Rabbitohs team in week 2 with more premiership and grand final experience than us and then say we got “unlucky”. I would say we didn’t take our opportunities. I would also question why we seem to have the worst luck of any team with the longest grand final drought. At what point does our propensity to be unlucky get replaced with personal responsibility?
 

Poupou Escobar

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I bet if you bet what you say then you would lose.
Yep. There wouldn't be a single person in our club who thinks Jake Arthur will ever be in the same class as Moses. The question is whether he would ever be as good as a premiership winner like Chad Townsend, and is that good enough for your number 7 jersey at the right price. It's a team game.
 

Poupou Escobar

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What would you consider a pass mark for this season? For me personally if we are healthy at the end of the season and don’t at least make the grand final then I will say this season is a failure. Of course there could always be the scenario where we finish fourth and play the invincible Panthers in the first round and then lose to a a red hot Rabbitohs team in week 2 with more premiership and grand final experience than us and then say we got “unlucky”. I would say we didn’t take our opportunities. I would also question why we seem to have the worst luck of any team with the longest grand final drought. At what point does our propensity to be unlucky get replaced with personal responsibility?
Well my point is that you can't judge any team on a single season. I would be disappointed if the team capitulated in a finals match, like we did in 2019, but is that on the coach? Robinson's and Hasler's teams both got smashed in last year's finals. Does that mean they can't coach? We judge these coaches over their entire careers but we need to consider the resources they have available. Stuart and Maguire won premierships at strong clubs and haven't looked as good since leaving them. Green won a premiership at the Cowboys, made another grand final, and then they were shit for another two and a half years before he got the arse. Which period best reflects his ability? The early years or the later ones? Which best reflect Arthur's ability? 2014-2018 or the more recent years?
I would also question why we seem to have the worst luck of any team with the longest grand final drought.
Now you're starting to get to the crux of the issue. Is our premiership drought the fault of Brad Arthur or Mark O'Neill? Is it someone else's fault? Is it the fault of multiple people? Why are we unable to improve by sacking merkins?
 

IFR33K

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I note Dantoray didnt play yesterday.
So we are playing a kid, JA, who has no future in the halves, to get experience in NRL for a position he has never played? If thats the case it opens up the coach to all sorts of criticism.


doesn’t seem to have express pace or decent leg drive. I don’t think filling out his body will be enough.
 

IFR33K

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My tip was super league, but yeah anyone who thinks that Jake is in the clubs long term plans is kidding themselves. In fact I reckon that Jake will revert to a development contract in 2023.


you’ve certainly changed your tune. Wasn’t long ago you claimed he’s the best half in NSW cup.
 

hindy111

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Yep. There wouldn't be a single person in our club who thinks Jake Arthur will ever be in the same class as Moses. The question is whether he would ever be as good as a premiership winner like Chad Townsend, and is that good enough for your number 7 jersey at the right price. It's a team game.

Imo the way NRL is going its following NFL in a way as far as strategy. There will be guys who are not starting NFL QB's. But its such an important position you carry a solid one in your squad. And one who will learn the system and is happy to always be a back up.

I feel like being such an important position that having a guy costing about 200k in NSW cup who is happy to learn the system and his role. Fill in when needed is great to have. Amd if kept him in the same system for 5yrs or more he would be able to come in and out of the side at short notice and perform.

If we want to move forward and evolve I think rather then just using NSW cup to find the next NRL star having one of your halves spot open for a guy who fits the role I mentioned. And not a journeymen. A kid who just isn't NRL LEVEL but can learn the system and do his job when needed.
 

IFR33K

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The problem could also be the we have rcg and powlo long term which could affect the money situation

You need to go forward before contemplating doing anything else. We have the best front row pairing in the nrl and we all know BA has his flaws, but he has a knack of getting the odd forward to shine. This will counter what RCG and parlor are on.
 

hindy111

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You should've sold more hand wired amps by now. You're a disappointment.

Its hard work. And I am happy to let it do its thing slowly in the background. No rush. But once I've been around 10yrs is when people will take me moereseriously. Not 4-5.
I feel like it could be perfect when I'm in my 50s, moneys less an issue along with time and it's been around for 15yrs.

Won't make me rich but may build so,e for some well known musicians which is the main goal. The end result isn't about the money. Get more as a sparky
 

Poupou Escobar

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The problem could also be the we have rcg and powlo long term which could affect the money situation
Will definitely affect how much we can spend on middle forwards. It's why we've locked up some cheap nuffies for a few years. Guys like Rodwell will regularly get 20 minutes off the bench starting 2023.
 

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