Rumours and Stuff

[hindy111]

This analysis is worthless unless you compare it to the strike rate of other coaches.

It's more to show the others that BA's not some great coach whomfinds these forwards from NSW CUP and turns them into good NRL players. The idea that Moimesea,Murchie, Doorey just needed some BA spice splashed on them and he would transform them into good forwards. Unfortunately not true.
I was always sceptical on our 2023 recruits. Plemty thought we would turn them all into Papali'i

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

I wish hindy was our FG coach and Gould was our top dog. We would win 10 in a row!!

 

[hindy111]

I wish hindy was our FG coach and Gould was our top dog. We would win 10 in a row!!

I'm not bagging BA at all. I am just pointing out facts.
Papali'i and Marata will be seen as excellent players our coaching staff got the most out of. The idea we can turn majority of forwards into game breakers is ridiculous. It isn't a fluke. It's just throw enough darts kind of thing. I dare say its similar for many other coaches. Some players just suit the style or culture or just in a good time in their life. Lots of variables.

We never should of felt our 2023 recruits where going to be any better then at previous clubs. Hopgood was NSW CUP player of the year. Hardly a project player. Stuck behind Yeo he was always going to walk into our pack.

 

[hindy111]

Maybe a sign that it’s not all about the coach, at any club? Sticky and Madge have also won premierships. So did Paul Green.

Agree. The question is do you never change coach then? Good chance our next coach is worse. Some chance he is better. Do you take the risk?
Personally I would. I think BA is solid but will never get us that premiership. I don't see us as a side that will win games as under dogs.

 

[hybrideel]

so what you are saying is BA will sort them out

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I highly doubt Johnson would want to move to Sydney again having just gone back to NZ a year ago.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he intends to retire in Sydney, in his $5M home.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's more to show the others that BA's not some great coach whomfinds these forwards from NSW CUP and turns them into good NRL players.

Well he might be. It depends how well the other coaches have done it. The failures don’t really matter, only the successes do. One assumes every coach has signed nuffies who stayed nuffies. Just looking at one coach’s development record in isolation is the type of thing some idiot would do for likes on a footy forum.

 

[the phantom menace]

Agree. The question is do you never change coach then? Good chance our next coach is worse. Some chance he is better. Do you take the risk?
Personally I would. I think BA is solid but will never get us that premiership. I don't see us as a side that will win games as under dogs.

From my reading of the forums, Pou will only ever advocate for a change after the change has already been made.

Until then he argues rabidly against any suggestion of change, and once someone else/the club has taken the decision to make a change he then (hypocritically?) backs that decision fanatically like it had always been his own... It's possibly an automatic/sub-conscious conditioned response, so no real point in discussing/challenging the "logic" of his positions (before or after any change)?

 

[hindy111]

Well he might be. It depends how well the other coaches have done it. The failures don’t really matter, only the successes do. One assumes every coach has signed nuffies who stayed nuffies. Just looking at one coach’s development record in isolation is the type of thing some idiot would do for likes on a footy forum.

So did Ivan turn Kikau into a superstar along with Spencer,Yeo,Martin, Capewell? If we are comparing coaches and players then we have to say he has that better success rate right?

 

[84 Baby]

From my reading of the forums, Pou will only ever advocate for a change after the change has already been made.

Until then he argues rabidly against any suggestion of change, and once someone else/the club has taken the decision to make a change he then (hypocritically?) backs that decision fanatically like it had always been his own... It's possibly an automatic/sub-conscious conditioned response, so no real point in discussing/challenging the "logic" of his positions (before or after any change)?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

From my reading of the forums, Pou will only ever advocate for a change after the change has already been made.

Until then he argues rabidly against any suggestion of change, and once someone else/the club has taken the decision to make a change he then (hypocritically?) backs that decision fanatically like it had always been his own... It's possibly an automatic/sub-conscious conditioned response, so no real point in discussing/challenging the "logic" of his positions (before or after any change)?

I always just look at the pros and cons. No point advocating for a position when we don’t have all the information.

So if we sack Arthur’s I’ll know there were reasons - there are obviously better coaches out there - but just because there are better coaches doesn’t entitle the likes of me to put shit on his coaching ability. Whatever his shortcomings I’ll never be able to tell what they are, and neither will you.

Likewise, if I remind you the reasons he is still good enough to be our coach, it doesn’t mean I think he is the best coach of all time and no merkin could do better. It just means you couldn’t do better (neither could I) and you should know your place, which is to not criticise things you don’t know about.

So I trust the club to make good decisions, whether they sack Arthur’s or extend him for another decade. They are pros, and we are not.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So did Ivan turn Kikau into a superstar along with Spencer,Yeo,Martin, Capewell? If we are comparing coaches and players then we have to say he has that better success rate right?

Depends. He has been coaching for much longer and should have a longer list of successes. But if you care about the failures then Cleary’s list is very long. He has failed to improve plenty of nuffies.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Agree. The question is do you never change coach then? Good chance our next coach is worse. Some chance he is better. Do you take the risk?
Personally I would. I think BA is solid but will never get us that premiership. I don't see us as a side that will win games as under dogs.

Depends what you think your options are at the time you make the decision. If you have are just 'hoping' you'll find a better one, that will likely be a disaster. If you've spoken to one of a small number of top-tier coaches and they are keen, then that's a different story.

 

[lucablight]

I always just look at the pros and cons. No point advocating for a position when we don’t have all the information.

So if we sack Arthur’s I’ll know there were reasons - there are obviously better coaches out there - but just because there are better coaches doesn’t entitle the likes of me to put shit on his coaching ability. Whatever his shortcomings I’ll never be able to tell what they are, and neither will you.

Likewise, if I remind you the reasons he is still good enough to be our coach, it doesn’t mean I think he is the best coach of all time and no merkin could do better. It just means you couldn’t do better (neither could I) and you should know your place, which is to not criticise things you don’t know about.

So I trust the club to make good decisions, whether they sack Arthur’s or extend him for another decade. They are pros, and we are not.

Fans who invest their hard earned money and emotional energy into the club are entitled to an opinion. It’s also extremely fallacious to assume fans don’t have enough information to form valid opinions and then automatically assume the club will likely never make poor decisions.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Fans who invest their hard earned money and emotional energy into the club are entitled to an opinion.

NO YOU CAN ALL SHUT YOUR f**kEN MOUTHS FFS!!!!!

It’s also extremely fallacious to assume fans don’t have enough information to form valid opinions

But we don't, because the feedback loop between club action and visible outcome is extremely opaque. We have zero visibility of most decisions that are made (and not made) and the results of all these decisions are aggregated into a few highly visible events: match results, player/staff movements, official announcements, and stories published by the media (including social media) with their own agendas.

and then automatically assume the club will likely never make poor decisions.

Of course they can make poor decisions. The point is nobody can know in advance the actual level of risk attached to a decision, and in hindsight we often don't know either. If some decision had a 2% chance of leading to disaster, will the presence or absence of disaster prove it either way? If we (incorrectly) assessed the risk as 3% will we ever know if we were right? The outcome doesn't prove our risk assessment correct or otherwise.

How much more so for an external observer who had access to even less information?

 

[Soren Lorenson]

It’s also extremely fallacious to assume fans don’t have

*fellatious

 

[Legal Eel]

NO YOU CAN ALL SHUT YOUR f**kEN MOUTHS FFS!!!!!

But we don't, because the feedback loop between club action and visible outcome is extremely opaque. We have zero visibility of most decisions that are made (and not made) and the results of all these decisions are aggregated into a few highly visible events: match results, player/staff movements, official announcements, and stories published by the media (including social media) with their own agendas.

Of course they can make poor decisions. The point is nobody can know in advance the actual level of risk attached to a decision, and in hindsight we often don't know either. If some decision had a 2% chance of leading to disaster, will the presence or absence of disaster prove it either way? If we (incorrectly) assessed the risk as 3% will we ever know if we were right? The outcome doesn't prove our risk assessment correct or otherwise.

How much more so for an external observer who had access to even less information?

Shut the forum down.

Pou has determined that no one is entitled to an opinion on the club, team or coach unless they have the information that only the club, team or coach would have!

This is killer robot language….

 

[the phantom menace]

I always just look at the pros and cons. No point advocating for a position when we don’t have all the information.

So if we sack Arthur’s I’ll know there were reasons - there are obviously better coaches out there - but just because there are better coaches doesn’t entitle the likes of me to put shit on his coaching ability. Whatever his shortcomings I’ll never be able to tell what they are, and neither will you.

Likewise, if I remind you the reasons he is still good enough to be our coach, it doesn’t mean I think he is the best coach of all time and no merkin could do better. It just means you couldn’t do better (neither could I) and you should know your place, which is to not criticise things you don’t know about.

So I trust the club to make good decisions, whether they sack Arthur’s or extend him for another decade. They are pros, and we are not.

So in answering Hindy's questions "Do you ever change the coach then?" and "Do you take the risk?" your TL | DR reply/opinion was essentially "no" and "no" - or you can't agree with the suggestion until someone else (the "pros") decide on it?

 

[84 Baby]

Can the “3” of you just f**k and get it over with?

 

[Incorrect]

Can the “3” of you just f**k and get it over with?

I think there's a thread for those kinds of backdoor shenanigans..... Take it there merkins...