Rumours and Stuff

[Tiger5150]

Re Cini you said similar about Greig. Just needs an opportunity amongst better players like he did in the pre season. Surely hes better than Dunster or Waqa.

No he's not.

 

[Avenger]

Yes but he’s not a prop, he barely cracks 100m a game. He’s not a metre eater and it’s not like he has great balls skills I’m not sure he improves the side in any shape way or form. He’s another decent first grader that we are paying a premium for. Yet we were happy to lowball Papaliiiii who is a game breaker. Another nothing signing for a club that’s going nowhere.

His defence is better than anything Papali’i offers. That is our biggest problem at the moment.

 

[Noise]

The modern day lock plays like a prop.

Talmololo yes, but Murray, Radley, Yeo not so much

 

[hineyrulz]

His defence is better than anything Papali’i offers. That is our biggest problem at the moment.

Papa defends on an edge, totally different argument so we are happy to pay 600k for a bloke who is solid defensively?? Him being good defensively hasn’t seemed to do much for he Tigers the last few years. Just another nothing buy from a nothing coach at a club going nowhere fast.

 

[Tiger5150]

He’s a lock not a prop, we already have two of those. He’s decent defensively but he’s not a metre eater or a game changer. Just a buy for the sake of it. Anything than have to bring a young bloke through. That would require coaching and we all know that’s not Bea Arthur’s job.

We call ourselves a development club but we have a coach who’s shown almost zero faith in juniors in most of his time here. Unless of course if they are from a certain club or have a certain last name……..

Correct he isnt a prop, not big enough and doesnt make the metres needed from a prop. He used to be a lock and still does a decent job of lock but the modern day lock needs a better passing game tham Joffa.

If you guys have got him, you have got a good one. Works hard, gives all but not high impact. Works hard in defence but gets caught out laterally when tired. Above all of this a great bloke and a leader in the club. If he has gone Im very disappointed (not sure in him or the club) and wont hate him at the Eels which will be a strange sensation for me. Too good a bloke for you guys, doesnt fit the Kulcha. Wont cop Guffo spraying him. Not the kind of bloke to be abused by a skinny bloke with a top knot.

 

[IFR33K]

f**kin' oath we would... Tedesco is washed up and Cleary is just another Jeff Robson...

almost forgot about this one.

Surely we could write a 25000 word book, full of this dopes one liners.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Correct he isnt a prop, not big enough and doesnt make the metres needed from a prop. He used to be a lock and still does a decent job of lock but the modern day lock needs a better passing game tham Joffa.

If you guys have got him, you have got a good one. Works hard, gives all but not high impact. Works hard in defence but gets caught out laterally when tired. Above all of this a great bloke and a leader in the club. If he has gone Im very disappointed (not sure in him or the club) and wont hate him at the Eels which will be a strange sensation for me. Too good a bloke for you guys, doesnt fit the Kulcha. Wont cop Guffo spraying him. Not the kind of bloke to be abused by a skinny bloke with a top knot.

Gutho doesn't spray front rowers.

He only sprays people his own size like Opacic, Pensini & Dylan Brown.

 

[Tiger5150]

The modern day lock plays like a prop.

Incorrect, you merkins need to keep up. The olden days lock (2000 - 2020) played like a prop. The modern day lock plays like a big 5/8 (Yeo, Radley, Murray, etc). I think (and hope) that this is what is going on at the Tigers. We have been trying to get him to play this game and he doesnt have it in him. He tries a couple of passes but not great and Sheens has had to change to other forwards (Klemmer and Bateman) to ball play. We have Matamua coming through who does play the modern 13 game but still young and some gun young backrowers coming through and Im hoping that the reason that either Offa asked to go and the club let him is that Joffa is flat out getting a start in this pack and the young kids coming through.

Ive posted plenty of positive posts here about Joffa and you ARE getting a good 'un, but he is 30 and I'm not seeing improvement in him and think his best days are behind him.

(see how I seamlessly shift once it becomes likely he is leaving)

 

[hineyrulz]

Sounds like he’s just what we need. We are building something Speshal!!

 

[Angry_eel]

Sounds like he’s just what we need. We are building something Speshal!!

Just plugging the Papali'i hole, me thinks.

 

[TheRam]

I can only assume a few in here haven’t been watching Joe Ofa play. He’d walk into our 17 and improve us. Personally I’d be surprised if Wests facilitate the deal.

I don't think you get it. He is not worth $600K+ that he is supposed to be on. He is a solid player who occasionally has a standout game. Compare that to Spencer Leniu who is a quality player all the time and still only 22 years old and will cost the Roosters only $525K.

If we are paying anywhere near $600K then we should be going for way better then Ofa. Daniel Saifiti would be my top pick. He would be the best pick of any of the supposed available Props. Would make out front row rotation probably the best in the league. He is worth the sacrifice of pissing off all our dead wood and putting in bare minimum juniors or reserve graders at $120K to make up any difference.

A team like the one I posted earlier would be up there with the best of them and definitely a title contender.

 

[hineyrulz]

Just plugging the Papali'i hole, me thinks.

Someone needs to plug the hole in Arthur’s brain.

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Someone needs to plug the hole in Arthur’s brain.

Maybe they could do it with your typing finger and we could kill 2 birds with one stone.

 

[Vic Mackey]

He is playing better than he did with you guys in 2022, worse than 2021. The actual answer to your question is that Papali'i in 2021 had a good halfback who could get him the ball as he was hitting a hole. At the Tigers at the moment he is getting early ball and having to a lot more grunt work.

Last two games he was really good and in every game there has been no shortage of effort. Your question implies he is a player that would have a sulk and not play to his best and I just dont see that in Ice. Do you? If so why would you want him back?

I dont get the thoughts that Ive seen some have saying Papallis been poor. Sure he hasnt been at the level he was at Parra which won him second rower of the year but overall hes been a good signing. As you say its also been hard for him playing next to the worst 7 in the comp. Agsint Manly he made a break and offload which should have been the match winning play only for the imp inside him to drop the ball.

 

[Cloeel]

I dont get the thoughts that Ive seen some have saying Papallis been poor. Sure he hasnt been at the level he was at Parra which won him second rower of the year but overall hes been a good signing. As you say its also been hard for him playing next to the worst 7 in the comp. Agsint Manly he made a break and offload which should have been the match winning play only for the imp inside him to drop the ball.

Papalii I wouldn't go as far as to say he has been poor.

However he has had no where near the impact he had at parra. Maybe that will change as the season progresses.

 

[TheRam]

Greig has the potential to be that enforcer with more FG experience and hopefully improved fitness as he matures more he can play that role for us.

Considering we have put 2 years of development into him it would be waste to see him go now and thrive at another club.

I just don't see enough aggression in him. He is still just a 4th or 5th string bopper for me. He would have to show some real improved leg drive and tackle aggression and urgency to go up in my estimation in any pecking order if we had a better roster.

It may come with more NRL exposure, but then again it may not. Leg drive(with speed) and aggression are a props best friends. Have we seen it from him yet?

 

[TheRam]

With a 12m salary cap and a 30 player squad, 400k is your average player salary.

So 450 - 500k would probably be about right for a better than average middle.

There is nothing average about Spencer Leniu who is on $525K at the Roosters.

 

[Bandwagon]

Yes but he’s not a prop, he barely cracks 100m a game. He’s not a metre eater and it’s not like he has great balls skills I’m not sure he improves the side in any shape way or form. He’s another decent first grader that we are paying a premium for. Yet we were happy to lowball Papaliiiii who is a game breaker. Another nothing signing for a club that’s going nowhere.

2022 he played 6 of Tigers last 8 games starting at prop ( 2 at Lock )

Round 18 vs Penrith 172m
Round 19 Vs Cowboys 151m
Round 20 vs Donkeys 127m
Round 21 vs Knights 164m
Round 24 vs Dragons 125m
Round 25 vs Canberra 73m

Round 22 and 23 he started at lock , vs Sharks, 160m, vs Roosters 80m,

That's fairly decent numbers for a guy who is "not a prop"

 

[Tiger5150]

Papalii I wouldn't go as far as to say he has been poor.

However he has had no where near the impact he had at parra. Maybe that will change as the season progresses.

People memories are hazy. Parra people remember 2021 better than 2022.

 

[Bandwagon]

There is nothing average about Spencer Leniu who is on $525K at the Roosters.

That's nice.

I'm hearing his golf game has improved outta sight.